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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on July 23, 2012, 11:03:10 AM
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304765304577482620929586962.html?mod=ITP_opinion_2
If you have access, an interesting article. In a nutshell, Blitz makes most of the plastic gas cans in the USA. Personal injury lawyers started suing Blitz when people poured gas from their cans onto burning fires, and the can exploded.
Blitz is now bankrupt due to the costs of defending these cases and soaring liability insurance premiums. 117 jobs lost in Miami, Oklahoma. The personal injury lawyers are now looking to other gas can manufacturers. There is now a gas can litigation group to share information and strategies.
I don't know the other side of the story, and if there are indeed design defects in gas cans and can they be re-engineered to eliminate this hazard, but I have certainly seen the warning labels on gas cans. I would think that pouring gas on a fire is something that is obvious to anyone not in the running for a Darwin award, but perhaps not.
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The design defect is in humans =(
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Blitz was a good company. At one time they made over 70% of the consumer market gas cans and before the BS law suits started employed over 400 people. Miami, OK is a small enough town that the loss of jobs will be felt.
Not the first major employer they've lot either. there used to be a major Goodrich tire plant there. Now there is just a huge empty factory. About all that is left is agriculture, indian casinos and NEO A&M college.
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. . . I would think that pouring gas on a fire is something that is obvious to anyone not in the running for a Darwin award, but perhaps not.
Figuratively speaking, isn't that what Obama has been doing with every "problem" the country is facing?
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So out of curiosity, Blitz appealed the case to the 10th Circuit (case #11-4039) - I can't find any info on what the Appeal Court's ruling was... Anyone with better info able to find it?
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This is EXACTLY what the gun grabbers dream of doing to all gun manufacturers.
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Death by a thousand cuts....
Time to go stock up on gas cans....
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Death by a thousand cuts....
Time to go stock up on gas cans....
Or we could just store it in glass jars and plastic bags, if they're going to make it that hard to manufacture appropriate containers.
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First it was the Cali compliant "takes 3 hands to pour" requirement on all new cans, now this.
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What I am wondering about is when some manufacturer, when served with some gold digging lawyer's suit for the stupid of the consumer, just doesn't take a photo of the CEO's hand giving the law firm the finger and mailing it back and ignore it and continue going along as usual. If law suits are bringing down smaller companies, then ignore them. What can they do, call out the national guard?
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What I am wondering about is when some manufacturer, when served with some gold digging lawyer's suit for the stupid of the consumer, just doesn't take a photo of the CEO's hand giving the law firm the finger and mailing it back and ignore it and continue going along as usual. If law suits are bringing down smaller companies, then ignore them. What can they do, call out the national guard?
They can get a default judgment from the court, which awards them whatever they had asked for and then use that judgment to seize the business assets, such as the bank accounts, accounts receivable, real property, manufacturing equipment, the building, inventory, etc. You would only want to try this if the company had no insurance coverage, no corporate assets, and your personal assets were not commingled with the company or otherwise attachable for corporate activities. This would make you essentially judgment proof. If there are no insurance deep pockets or seizable assets, then it is generally not cost-effective to pursue litigation against you.
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Personal injury lawyers started suing Blitz when people poured gas from their cans onto burning fires, and the can exploded.
Hmmm.
Ambulance chasers... pouring gas.... people burning... Can't imagine what I'm thinking right now...
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I am not sure what sickens me more; the idiot self-pyros, their lawyers, or the juries approving the awards.
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Most often never gets to jury. Insurance company settles its cheaper/safer. Of course they pass cost on. And then everyone sues for settlement
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I am not sure what sickens me more; the idiot self-pyros, their lawyers, or the juries approving the awards.
Or the fact that Okies pronounce it "My-Am-Uh" instead of saying it like normal people. Seriously.
Ok, maybe that's not up there with the rest of what's wrong, but it's still disturbing.
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What I am wondering about is when some manufacturer, when served with some gold digging lawyer's suit for the stupid of the consumer, just doesn't take a photo of the CEO's hand giving the law firm the finger and mailing it back and ignore it and continue going along as usual. If law suits are bringing down smaller companies, then ignore them. What can they do, call out the national guard?
Summary judgment in absentia , and then depending if it's Federal, or State the U.S. Marshals or Sheriffs Department will come in and shut them down, seize assets, liens filed in court, freeze bank accounts etc.
Physically, for the plant and the land, I suppose you could try to rally the townspeople into some kind of stand off with the .gov over it (how would you conduct shipping & receiving?), but you won't be able to get away with the financial sides of it, unless you somehow could convert all your assets to cash/gold, and then magically escape with it or keep trading with your suppliers and customers on that basis.
Which is a tl/dr version of saying, no chance in hell.
IMO, only tort reform, or a few trial lawyers turning up missing/dead every now and again will fix this. And even those answers suck, because frankly, there's the still legitimate flip side of the issue when a business does royally screw someone over and needs their ass sued off. Although if things keep going in the direction they do, bucking the Democrats and the trial lawyer lobby, and screwing the individual victim, to protect businesses, workers, towns, and the economy... it might just have to happen. Many feel we're already past that point.
This is something that USED to be moderated by culture, and not the law or rules. Just 30 years ago, only the worst ambulance chaser would take such a case, and the Judge/jury would laugh them out of court. Any reputable lawyer would decline such a case of terminal dumbassery with varying degrees of politeness, and it was a natural check and balance on the system. Now Voir dire and Judge/jury shopping is practically a "science".
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Blitz shutting down is one of any number of signs that Atlas is beginning to shrug.
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When shutting down, along with the pink slip provide the newly-jobless employees with a complete dossier - pictures, names, addresses, schedule, everything - of the plaintiff and his lawyers, as well as the same detailed personal information on the presiding judge.
It will at least give a disgruntled victim of the suit an opportunity to tell someone off.
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I was curious if they were a victim of being a small percentage at fault in some cases. Does anyone know about the lawsuit they lost?
Who pours gas on an open flame? That is just stupid. Sometimes I think it is a mistake to not let kids play with fire in some fashion. They need to learn this stuff at an early age when they are still playing small scale.
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Most often never gets to jury. Insurance company settles its cheaper/safer. Of course they pass cost on. And then everyone sues for settlement
Yeah, this. The big problem is that the accountants look at the court case and figure it will be cheaper to "pay off" and move on. Understandable from the short term perspective of the bottom line, but in the end it only helps create conditions that encourage people to sue. Attorneys who work on a contingency fee basis don't help. I understand that people with legitimate grievances may not have the up front money for a good attorney, but it's a vastly abused system.
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Or we could just store it in glass jars and plastic bags, if they're going to make it that hard to manufacture appropriate containers.
Doesn't everyone ???
:P
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The tort bar is an industry seeking to expand its sales into new and innovative markets. Asbestos was the first and to date biggest market successfully penetrated. Tobacco settlement is the most memorable mainly because of media's participation. Different between the two markets is asbestos had a few really big trials / settlements but most of the longterm sales was accomplished by relatively downscale tortists. Due to the nature of the tobacco settlement a comparative small group of tortists garnered the proceeds. Gas cans is a consolidated industry dominated by one or two participants. Knock the big one off and the rest will fall.
Tortists are like locusts. They consume everything in their path and move on to the next field. Companies are making a big mistake ignoring their fundamental nature. A few well financed stands will cool enthusiasm for such litigation. Problem is in industries like plastic gas cans there is little chance of any one or several participants financing a defense. So now I guess we return to legislative relief by laws written by . . . . . . lawyers. :facepalm:
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We'd probably be a lot better off if we relied on non-binding promises from companies not to make profits from activities that hurt people. That'd be way more effective than the tort system, because companies tend to be nice, and won't harm others to make a profit.
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Much better to sue them(Blitz) out of existence because some ignorant dipshit pour gasoline out of a plastic can directly onto a fire and had less than good results. Of course had their been a specific warning on the can against doing that then of course said ignorant dipshit would have known better.
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Unless the gas can actually said "Safe for pouring directly on fire.", then anyone suing should be mocked out of the courtroom.
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Unless the gas can actually said "Safe for pouring directly on fire.", then anyone (and their lawyer) suing should be mocked out of the courtroom (and beaten to within an inch of their lives).
Getting tired of the parasitic class having their way.
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Hope Glock isn't next!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/25/paralyzed-cop-suing-glock-after-his-3-year-old-son-shot-him/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/25/paralyzed-cop-suing-glock-after-his-3-year-old-son-shot-him/)
Off duty copy leaves his loaded Glock 21 under the seat of his truck, his 3 year old (not in a car seat) finds the gun and shoots the guy leaving him paralyzed. This is somehow Glock's fault according to the lawsuit.
Enrique Chavez’s lawsuit claimed that the Glock 21 had a light trigger and lacked a grip saftey, both of which could have prevented the shooting.
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You know what else could have prevented the shooting? Not leaving a loaded firearm where your child could reach it. Dumbass.
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Or we could just store it in glass jars and plastic bags, if they're going to make it that hard to manufacture appropriate containers.
And when people do just that and come to grief, the manufacturers of glass jars and plastic bags will be sued, since it was reasonably forseeable that someone might do so. (And they'll cite YOUR post as evidence of that.) Ball, Ziploc, Glad . . . all will go down under an avalanche of lawsuits.
And it will be fistful's fault.
Again.
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You can have my gas can when you pry it from my black charred hands =D
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You can have my gas can when you pry it from my blackened charred hands =D
FTFY
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http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/blitz-usa-dontaye-carter-gas/ejMadgmeiEq1hE6vvQJCkw.cspx
Link to story on them closing.
Blitz USA told FOX23, after they settled two law suits, one for $5-million and the other for $10-million, there were 26 more cases filed in a matter of months by the same law firms.
Sharks Lawyers smelled the blood in the water.
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Went to Lowes today. Gallon plastic gas can . . . .20 bucks.
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Went to Lowes today. Gallon plastic gas can . . . .20 bucks.
Empty one gallon plastic Clorox bottle ... Free
Recycling ... Priceless =D
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http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/blitz-usa-dontaye-carter-gas/ejMadgmeiEq1hE6vvQJCkw.cspx
Blitz USA told FOX23, after they settled two law suits, one for $5-million and the other for $10-million, there were 26 more cases filed in a matter of months by the same law firms.
Link to story on them closing.
Sharks Lawyers smelled the blood in the water.
That's why smart companies never settle (even when they should.) They drag the case out endlessly with procedural delays until the plaintiff runs out of money or dies.
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Link to story on them closing.
Sharks Lawyers smelled the blood in the water.
That's why smart companies never settle (even when they should.) They drag the case out endlessly with procedural delays until the plaintiff runs out of money or dies.
Oh, I see that you are not familiar with contemporary class action litigation. The successful plaintiff law firms in this area are extremely well funded and you likely cannot outspend them. As I like to remind people, John Edwards was a multi-millionaire many times over from his malpractice cases, as were the tobacco or asbestos plaintiff lawfirms. The plaintiff is not paying the tab as the case goes along since the lawfirm is advancing the costs. The case continues after the plaintiff dies, and the estate is substituted as the plaintiff.
Insurance companies with commercial liability policies generally retain the right to settle and do not need the consent of the insured. If they figure that it is better for the insured and/or cheaper for the insurance company to settle, they will do so. There can be other reasons to drag out cases with procedural delays, but trying to break the back of the plaintiff financially in a big class action lawsuit is generally not one of them.
Your comments may have some validity when dealing with individual plaintiffs in garden-variety personal injury cases. But not the mass class action sort of cases.
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Went to Lowes today. Gallon plastic gas can . . . .20 bucks.
Funny how that works.
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When the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act was introduced, I wondered why it was not expanded to protect the manufacturer of ANY product from being sued for stupid misuse of said products.
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When the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act was introduced, I wondered why it was not expanded to protect the manufacturer of ANY product from being sued for stupid misuse of said products.
There are too many vested interests in keeping the current system. It is not a coincidence that both the plaintiff and defense bars are amongst the largest contributors to state and federal campaigns.
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A year or two ago I bought a couple of 5gallon blitz gas cans, about 8 bucks- just looked in Fred Meyer the other brand cans were 18 . No blitz to be seen.
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We'd probably be a lot better off if we relied on non-binding promises from companies not to make profits from activities that hurt people. That'd be way more effective than the tort system, because companies tend to be nice, and won't harm others to make a profit.
Of course you'd be the only person on this board that can't realize the difference between complete bullshit lawsuits brought by idiots vs. legitimate lawsuits...
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Of course you'd be the only person on this board that can't realize the difference between complete bullshit lawsuits brought by idiots vs. legitimate lawsuits...
Oh yeah, wouldn't know much about that, not as much as folks whose understanding of the tort system comes from msnbc and holliday in stays next to the state house ;/
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Oh yeah, wouldn't know much about that, not as much as folks whose understanding of the tort system comes from msnbc and holliday in stays next to the state house ;/
*Holiday Inn
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*Holiday Inn
I-spelling
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There are too many vested interests in keeping the current system. It is not a coincidence that both the plaintiff and defense bars are amongst the largest contributors to state and federal campaigns.
The problem is showing that how they used the can would be misuse. But I agree that govt and juries need to be more careful about rewarding complete stupidity.
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First, we get cans that work. Then we get cans with no vent, that have a "vent" in the spout, so they take forever to empty, then we get cans with the "three hand" valve that virtually guarantees a spill, and now, we get no cans.
Anybody else notice a trend? If it works, we can't have it.
I just had a thought- This is Darwinism, but in reverse- All the competent folks are having to pay the penalty for the idiots, and the idiots (or their survivors) are compensated well for being fools.
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I just had a thought- This is Darwinism, but in reverse- All the competent folks are having to pay the penalty for the idiots, and the idiots (or their survivors) are compensated well for being fools.
Yep, that's pretty much it.
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Glad I have 2 x 5 gal cans for remote trips in the truck and a 1 gal can for the lawnmower.
Empty one gallon plastic Clorox bottle ... Free
Recycling ... Priceless =D
Until you get cited by The Man for using an unapproved container for carrying fuel.
"We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them...you create a nation of lawbreakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden."
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Until you get cited by The Man for using an unapproved container for carrying fuel.
I'm a traditionalist. I'm thinking of growing a mustache.
=D
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I'm a traditionalist. I'm thinking of growing a mustache.
=D
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That's a damn shame and really stupid. That said, I really, really prefer the metal safety cans....although I've never seen a fire baffle that they're talking about (or don't know what they are) The cheap plastic ones I've bought at Home Depot over the years, always end up leaking. Gas all over my hands, power tools and cars just isn't a good thing.
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Lee the fire baffle is a spark arrest or screen you can see it in those metal cans. The spring loaded handles snap the cap shut as soon as handle pressure is released, snuffing out a fire should there be one. We use those metal safety cans at work.
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We had an idiot pour gas directly into a fire from a plastic can at Airventure. I could easily see the large fire from over a hundred yards away and ran to it. I have the end of the fire and it being put out by campers with fire extinguishers on video.
Luckily non of the bystanders were hurt. No on else was hurt either.
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We had an idiot pour gas directly into a fire from a plastic can at Airventure. I could easily see the large fire from over a hundred yards away and ran to it. I have the end of the fire and it being put out by campers with fire extinguishers on video.
Luckily non of the bystanders were hurt. No on else was hurt either.
Too bad the idiot missed the Darwin Award >:D
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We had an idiot pour gas directly into a fire from a plastic can at Airventure.
That's how my dear old Pa ended up with a shiny leg, and funny-looking skin on his torso (where the grafts came from). But then, he was a young idiot at the time.
Probably a metal can back then, I suppose.
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That's how my dear old Pa ended up with a shiny leg, and funny-looking skin on his torso (where the grafts came from). But then, he was a young idiot at the time.
Probably a metal can back then, I suppose.
They hadn't invented plastic yet :P
Back when I was contract cutting, I had a couple of round metal five gallon cans with the metal spouts and screw-on cap and vent that I got from the guy that I was working for, that I used for chain-saw mix. These were the nice oil company cans that hydraulic oil and bulk motor used to come in. :)
I'm not sure what happened to them ... they probably finally rusted out =|
Now all that stuff comes in ventless plastic buckets with the crappy pull-up spouts =( ;/
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Picked up a new Blitz made 5 gallon gas can at Wally world this afternoon, $12.98 +tax.
Probably won't be able to do that for too much longer, might pick up another one next payday just to have a couple extra on hand.
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Prior when a few cases were registered, Blitz officials should have taken a serious note and should have made the improvements. Later the cases increased owing to negligence and this condition occurred.
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I picked up a new 2 gallon gas can last weekend when I bought my weed whacker. It sucks! Twist the spout just right, wedge it against the edge os the tank, push against spring pressure to pour. Damn weedwhacker slides from the gascan spring, gas deflects off of the auto close flap and gets everywhere. It's stupid.
Thankfully I have army style 5gal cans. They still do what they are supposed to.
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Prior when a few cases were registered, Blitz officials should have taken a serious note and should have made the improvements. Later the cases increased owing to negligence and this condition occurred.
How far should a company go to Darwin proof their product?
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I picked up a new 2 gallon gas can last weekend when I bought my weed whacker. It sucks! Twist the spout just right, wedge it against the edge os the tank, push against spring pressure to pour. Damn weedwhacker slides from the gascan spring, gas deflects off of the auto close flap and gets everywhere. It's stupid.
Thankfully I have army style 5gal cans. They still do what they are supposed to.
So the new cans are actually more dangerous and polluting than the old ones ;/
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So the new cans are actually more dangerous and polluting than the old ones ;/
You can still get the old metal cans
http://www.acehardware.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1260316
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You can still get the old metal cans
http://www.acehardware.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1260316
How illegal is it to fill those old olive-colored 5 gallon jerry cans (or is it 20 liter?) with gasoline?
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You can still get the old metal cans
http://www.acehardware.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1260316
For about $50. Ouch.
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For about $50. Ouch.
Gotta pay for all those lawyers and adverse judgments for folks who don't understand the concept of a closed container for storing fluids and the transfer of those fluids to another container.
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How illegal is it to fill those old olive-colored 5 gallon jerry cans (or is it 20 liter?) with gasoline?
I don't believe it is illegal at all, you just can't buy new ones.
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So the new cans are actually more dangerous and polluting than the old ones ;/
Generally, yes. But the lawyers can pass that onto the end user. The cans legally have to be lawyer proof (or lawyer resistant), not spill proof, in order to stay in business.
Folks? Just stop using the included spouts. Just get a cap for them, and use a funnel. Or an aftermarket spout.
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Folks? Just stop using the included spouts. Just get a cap for them, and use a funnel. Or an aftermarket spout.
You know what's going to happen, and its probably happened many times already- someone will slosh gas all over their leg while filling the lawnmower, then slosh it all over the muffler and *poof* a lawsuit anyway. ;/
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For about $50. Ouch.
Almost all metal cans are more than $40.
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I don't believe it is illegal at all, you just can't buy new ones.
You can still buy them, they are even listed on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Military-Gasoline-Hummer-Gasket/dp/B007ZICYXQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_lg_4
http://www.amazon.com/Blitz-11010-Gallon-Steel-Gas/dp/B00004X14D
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Dude you just posted a $250 gas can. And a $90 one.
That's *expletive deleted* ridiculous.
A better option is the $40 safety cans. Metal, durable, still somewhat annoying but not annoying as the EPA style plastic cans.
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Dude you just posted a $250 gas can. And a $90 one.
That's *expletive deleted* ridiculous.
A better option is the $40 safety cans. Metal, durable, still somewhat annoying but not annoying as the EPA style plastic cans.
Stuff is priced what the market will pay.
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Stuff is priced what the market will pay.
No, it's priced at what the market will pay after government regs, idiots that can find a lawyer willing to keep their food down, and idiot juries that allow this sort of thing.
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You can still buy them, they are even listed on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Military-Gasoline-Hummer-Gasket/dp/B007ZICYXQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_lg_4
http://www.amazon.com/Blitz-11010-Gallon-Steel-Gas/dp/B00004X14D
Those must be old stock because no new ones can be manufactured for sale in the US. That also explains the ridiculous prices.
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Makes those 7 plastic 20L diesel cans that got thrown away at my Reserve Center last year seem like gold.
(No Joke. Cans had Diesel embossed on them, and were ordered for a MOGAS application. The Safety Nazi said they couldn't be used and to throw them away, never even filled.)
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I remember when you could get the metal cans for a couple of bucks (or less). Hell, the old one gallon metal ones my dad has are looking pretty good. He's got a lawn service now, so maybe it's time to sell the mower and I'll ask for the gas cans.
Also, I saw on Stossel when I was at my folks house that one of the big problems after hurricane Sandy was not only the stupid .gov rules regarding gas stations and pricing, but also that because Blitz had gone out of business that there were no gas cans to be had. People were showing up with anything and everything to hold gas, only to be told "NO, you can't put gasoline in THAT!!"
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I guess it's a good thing that people don't put gas in recycled containers at credit card pumps late at night :angel:
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http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany.com/Nato-Jerry-Cans.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00ADLHN3S/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new
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I remember when you could get the metal cans for a couple of bucks (or less). Hell, the old one gallon metal ones my dad has are looking pretty good. He's got a lawn service now, so maybe it's time to sell the mower and I'll ask for the gas cans.
Also, I saw on Stossel when I was at my folks house that one of the big problems after hurricane Sandy was not only the stupid .gov rules regarding gas stations and pricing, but also that because Blitz had gone out of business that there were no gas cans to be had. People were showing up with anything and everything to hold gas, only to be told "NO, you can't put gasoline in THAT!!"
I miss the old one gallon square gas cans, they stacked so neat on the shelf in the garage.
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Grainger supply has Jerry cans.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/BRIGGS-STRATTON-Spill-Proof-Gas-Can-4FZE6?Pid=search
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Grainger supply has Jerry cans.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/BRIGGS-STRATTON-Spill-Proof-Gas-Can-4FZE6?Pid=search
No. Those aren't Jerry cans. They have the stupid spout. If you can't screw or jam (depending on age)a donkey dick on it, it's not right.
This (http://olive-drab.com/od_mvg_jerry_can_plastic.php) is what you want.
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http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany.com/Nato-Jerry-Cans.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00ADLHN3S/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new
I often wonder how many decent things I miss because of sites that play music/ads/noise without me asking them to. I tend to click away from them before I see what they have.
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Did one of those sites autoplay something DD? I didn't see anything like that, but then I probably had the audio out muted on the computer when I viewed it.
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Yeah, the first one.
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Yeah, the first one.
Bummer, sorry about that.
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If you can't screw or jam (depending on age)a donkey dick on it, it's not right.
Quote-worthy.
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Bummer, sorry about that.
No biggie. I was just tossing an off-cuff remark about a pet peeve.
At least it wasn't rap or beatbox! :laugh:
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http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/09/21822330-wal-mart-agrees-to-contribute-25-million-to-settle-gas-can-explosion-lawsuits?lite
Given that the original manufacturer is bankrupt and has exhausted its insurance coverage, the tort bar expanded their search for deep pockets.
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A possible good way to keep gas in the shed without the lawsuit-resistant safety "features" getting between me and pouring gas in equipment:
Buy a "water" jerry can:
http://www.amazon.com/Scepter-04933-Water-Can-5-Gallon/dp/B000MTI0GA
It's the same plastic, same nozzle and vent as the pre-lawsuit-resistant designs, just a different color and not "approved" for gasoline. I plan to get one and just mark it with some spray paint so it can't be mistaken for a water container.
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A possible good way to keep gas in the shed without the lawsuit-resistant safety "features" getting between me and pouring gas in equipment:
Buy a "water" jerry can:
http://www.amazon.com/Scepter-04933-Water-Can-5-Gallon/dp/B000MTI0GA
It's the same plastic, same nozzle and vent as the pre-lawsuit-resistant designs, just a different color and not "approved" for gasoline. I plan to get one and just mark it with some spray paint so it can't be mistaken for a water container.
or if you like metal
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/military-style-10l-jerry-can-gloss-olive-drab.aspx?a=1168835
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Death by a thousand cuts....
Time to go stock up on gas cans....
Too late.
I loathe and detest plastic gas cans. I grew up on Eagle steel cans, and they just don't exist any more. Can't even find replacement nozzles for them if I find a used can in good condition. There was a brief period after they disappeared from the American market when I could get them in Canada, but I foolishly thought that condition would carry on for awhile so I didn't order -- and then the Canadians killed them off, too.
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or if you like metal
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/military-style-10l-jerry-can-gloss-olive-drab.aspx?a=1168835
I bought one of those 20L cans a few years ago (although I think they were EU military surplus rather than new at the time) plus a spout. I should get a couple more while they are still available.
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or if you like metal
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/military-style-10l-jerry-can-gloss-olive-drab.aspx?a=1168835
Oooh, do you know if these spouts (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=904142) fit those cans or do they only fit the "US military style cans (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=904142)"?
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They won't. Different locking interface.
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Hmm... I may need to go with the "US" style then.
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FTFY
LIEK THIS SCOUT???
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbritishtrout.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2FBlackened-Trout-with-Citrus-Yoghurt.jpg&hash=4993078ee7e2de9839e166916f542d8b62a04c75)
etf: reduced the size to go easy on our dial up members. Spelling error untouched. But no, needs to be more blackened. ;) =D
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In a just society, we would not allow deadbeats to sue gas container companies for a loved one frying themselves to a deep crisp, Darwin Award style.
We would instead said gas can makers medals, shower them with praise and ask them to continue the good work.
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In a just society, we would not allow deadbeats to sue gas container companies for a loved one frying themselves to a deep crisp, Darwin Award style.
We would instead said gas can makers medals, shower them with praise and ask them to continue the good work.
Can I use this quote on another forum? I've got an idiot on a garage/mechanic's forum claiming that it is Blitz's fault for not *expletive deleted*tard proofing the gas cans.
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Can I use this quote on another forum? I've got an idiot on a garage/mechanic's forum claiming that it is Blitz's fault for not *expletive deleted*tard proofing the gas cans.
On a garage forum? Wow. Bet he thinks adding alcohol to gas is a good idea too.........
I have wondered if the "pouring gas on a fire and burning oneself" events happened before, or after, the mandate for the new and improved unusable spouts? iow-- were they a direct result of making the cans clumsy to operate?
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A possible good way to keep gas in the shed without the lawsuit-resistant safety "features" getting between me and pouring gas in equipment:
Buy a "water" jerry can:
http://www.amazon.com/Scepter-04933-Water-Can-5-Gallon/dp/B000MTI0GA
It's the same plastic, same nozzle and vent as the pre-lawsuit-resistant designs, just a different color and not "approved" for gasoline. I plan to get one and just mark it with some spray paint so it can't be mistaken for a water container.
I found myself in a Wal-Mart this afternoon. There was NO handgun ammo in the case, so I bethought myself of this thread and went looking at gas "cans." 5-gallon red plastic = $19.95 in the auto department. Made of HDPE.
Meandering over to the sporting goods department, I found a 6-gallon water container for $9.95. Also made of HDPE. For what it's worth, I felt (subjectively) that the plastic in the gasoline container was perhaps a bit thicker, but I had no way to weigh, measure or objectively compare. And the gas container had a longer nozzle.
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I found myself in a Wal-Mart this afternoon. There was NO handgun ammo in the case, so I bethought myself of this thread and went looking at gas "cans." 5-gallon red plastic = $19.95 in the auto department. Made of HDPE.
Meandering over to the sporting goods department, I found a 6-gallon water container for $9.95. Also made of HDPE. For what it's worth, I felt (subjectively) that the plastic in the gasoline container was perhaps a bit thicker, but I had no way to weigh, measure or objectively compare. And the gas container had a longer nozzle.
The price for gas cans has effectively doubled since blitz went out of biz. Probably the difference represents an insurance increase.
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I found myself in a Wal-Mart this afternoon. There was NO handgun ammo in the case, so I bethought myself of this thread and went looking at gas "cans." 5-gallon red plastic = $19.95 in the auto department. Made of HDPE.
Meandering over to the sporting goods department, I found a 6-gallon water container for $9.95. Also made of HDPE. For what it's worth, I felt (subjectively) that the plastic in the gasoline container was perhaps a bit thicker, but I had no way to weigh, measure or objectively compare. And the gas container had a longer nozzle.
We just bought a couple 6 gallon plastic water jugs (for water). Except for color they look very similar to the gas jugs we bought some years ago.
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On a garage forum? Wow. Bet he thinks adding alcohol to gas is a good idea too.........
I have wondered if the "pouring gas on a fire and burning oneself" events happened before, or after, the mandate for the new and improved unusable spouts? iow-- were they a direct result of making the cans clumsy to operate?
The unfortunate thing about that forum is there are quite a few leftists on there who do not understand personal responsibility. They also love the unions and hate capitalism. Idiots.
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I found myself in a Wal-Mart this afternoon. There was NO handgun ammo in the case, so I bethought myself of this thread and went looking at gas "cans." 5-gallon red plastic = $19.95 in the auto department. Made of HDPE.
Meandering over to the sporting goods department, I found a 6-gallon water container for $9.95. Also made of HDPE. For what it's worth, I felt (subjectively) that the plastic in the gasoline container was perhaps a bit thicker, but I had no way to weigh, measure or objectively compare. And the gas container had a longer nozzle.
I'm sure it varies by can. The nozzle in the water can I posted the link for is at least twice as long as the near-useless nub sticking out of my current plastic gas can. My plastic gas can also used to be 1.5 gallons, but I'd be surprised if it holds more than half a gallon now. Cold snap with it mostly empty crushed it good.
I asked Santa for a new metal jerry can that ought to stop my complaining. :P
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We just bought a couple 6 gallon plastic water jugs (for water). Except for color they look very similar to the gas jugs we bought some years ago.
In many places it is unlawful to put gas in a water can. Or any "uncertified" container.
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In many places it is unlawful to put gas in a water can. Or any "uncertified" container.
We didn't buy them for gas, but sounds like a good opportunity for civil disobedience. >:D
Do they have special SWAT teams to enforce this ???
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I know you are joking, but the EPA actually does have a Tactical Team so gas cans that emit extra vapor could be enforced by SWAT.
FWIW, I use fuel cans for fuel and water cans for water religiously because I really don't want to have mixed the two up when I need fuel or water.
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The unfortunate thing about that forum is there are quite a few leftists on there who do not understand personal responsibility. They also love the unions and hate capitalism. Idiots.
Great opportunity- you can challenge them to design a gas can that can be used to pour gas directly onto a fire without risk- and ask them to do a video presentation! =D
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Great opportunity- you can challenge them to design a gas can that can be used to pour gas directly onto a fire without risk- and ask them to do a video presentation! =D
They get triple points if on tape, they say 'Hold my beer and watch this' right before the pouring part of the demo!
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FWIW, I use fuel cans for fuel and water cans for water religiously because I really don't want to have mixed the two up when I need fuel or water.
I used to do the same, but when my "certified" gas container has such a stubby nozzle I can't pour gas into a vehicle, requires 3 hands to operate, and irreversibly collapses to a third of it's original volume if it gets cold when not full, I'm done with certified containers.
Not hard to mark a "water" can with some spray paint to indicate it doesn't have water in it.
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Not hard to mark a "water" can with some spray paint to indicate it doesn't have water in it.
We have the technology =)