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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Antibubba on July 29, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
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I'm having a debate with friends about assault rifles and crime and such, and I'm trying to explain the difference between semiauto rifles and the select fire military weapons. I'm trying to get across the fact that the latter simply aren't used in domestic crimes. I'm trying to find examples of Class 3 holders who have used their licensed and taxed Class 3 items to commit a crime, but I'm not finding anything. Can somebody point m e to any?
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wasn't there a cop who used one?
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wasn't there a cop who used one?
His own personal one, or something "borrowed" from work?
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His own personal one, or something "borrowed" from work?
Personal, I think.
http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/searcy_v_dayton.txt
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Other than the "crime" of mere possession, I only remember reading about a crooked cop who was involved in a murder for hire that used a machine gun.
I think there have been a few instances of illegally owned/possessed machine guns being used in crimes, but not registered/taxed items.
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You mean besides police or military acting under orders ? >:D
;)
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IIRC, the cop with the privately-owned Form-4'd subgun shot his commanding officer over a drug deal.
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Thanks, Cordex.
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What about the LA bank robbers?
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What about the LA bank robbers?
Illegal conversions, IIRC.
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Just show them this
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Fast food has killed more Americans than guns.
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You'll have to pry my Baconator and Chick-Fil-A from my cold dead pudgy hands!
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You'll have to pry my Baconator and Chick-Fil-A from my cold dead pudgy hands!
You were eating Chick-fil-A? Oh, then you deserve to die. ;)
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There have been two that I have read about:
1) the copy mentioned previously
2) a crazy asian dentist used a registered MAC in a murder.
Both cases are mentioned in more detail here:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
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I believe the only two murders that used Title II weapons (Class 3 is the type of dealer license, not the designation for the firearm) were both police officers. One used a weapon purchased by the department and the other personally owned his.
But, yeah, there's been two instances.
On the flip side I also know of two instances where Title II stuff was used legally. I think both can be found by searching Ayoob's blog archives. I know the latter one is in there.
The first was a Class 3 dealer using his Title II guns when he found a group of men breaking into his shop. His house was basically next door. They were there to steal machine guns, at least one of them died when he shot into the car. Or rather the perp died when his car crashed into a telephone pole after he'd been shot. Something along those lines.
The other, and this one is kinda funny in the "you's an idiot" area... guy is driving down the road with his wife or GF, ticked off somebody, said somebodies started shooting at them with .357 revolvers if not something else as they fled the area, guy drove to work because it was a secure place with a locked gate. When he arrived at his place of work, H&K, they had followed him through the gate. He reached into the back seat, grabbed a Ruger 556 (demo model, he was a Class 3 sales rep) loaded it up and shot 9 rounds into the ceiling of the parking garage as a warning. The dude that charged him's last words were "F*ck you and your machine gun."
Yep, no pity for that idiot.