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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamie B on August 30, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/lapd-commander-removed-probe-rough-arrest-054751139.html
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Los Angeles Police Department commanding officer has been removed amid an internal investigation into a videotaped beating in which officers tackled a handcuffed registered nurse to the ground, police Chief Charlie Beck said Wednesday.
Those who constantly ignore their history are condemmed to repeat it...over and over again. Sheesh!
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When cellphones are outlawed, only outlaws will have cellphones ;/
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Those who constantly ignore their history are condemmed to repeat it...over and over again. Sheesh!
shes done it before?
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shes done it before?
The article doesn't say. What does that have to do with being tackled and beaten?
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According to c&sd's theory(s), she obviously had it coming. She should be thankful she wasn't raped!!
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Well don't feel bad for the cop, I'm sure the Chicago PD will be happy to take him.
She should be thankful she wasn't raped!!
If it were done by a cop would it be legitimate or illegitimate?
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The second "toss to the ground" was completely gratuitous and abusive. Se was in cuffs, and about to be placed in the back seat. She probably gave the cop "lip" so he plowed the pavement with her face.. He WANTED to hurt her.
What the hell kind of policing turns a "talking on phone while driving" situation into an MMA demo?
Cops who abuse their position need to be put in prison more often, because the impunity they take for granted seems to leave very little decency in police culture anymore.
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The second "toss to the ground" was completely gratuitous and abusive. Se was in cuffs, and about to be placed in the back seat. She probably gave the cop "lip" so he plowed the pavement with her face.. He WANTED to hurt her.
I was thinking that, but the video really doesn't show what she may have done, such as kicking the door, or some other move to warrant the toss to the ground.
In the end, she will get a settlement, the probie cop will be gone and the older one will be retired. Then she will sue them for a violation of her civil rights and win that one.
The real losers of this whole thing will be the taxpayers of Los Angeles.
What the hell kind of policing turns a "talking on phone while driving" situation into an MMA demo?
What kind of person gets out of their car, cursing at the police, over a "use of a cell phone while driving" stop?
bob
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The real losers of this whole thing will be the taxpayers of Los Angeles
I used to think in those terms but have come to the realization that the taxpayers of <insert city> have been complacent enough to allow such thugs acts to creep into their law enforcement and should sent the tab for their 'public servants' behaving badly.
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I was thinking that, but the video really doesn't show what she may have done, such as kicking the door, or some other move to warrant the toss to the ground.
In the end, she will get a settlement, the probie cop will be gone and the older one will be retired. Then she will sue them for a violation of her civil rights and win that one.
The real losers of this whole thing will be the taxpayers of Los Angeles.
What kind of person gets out of their car, cursing at the police, over a "use of a cell phone while driving" stop?
bob
She did it for liberty!
How do so many folks f up an act as simple as getting a ticket? Its not hard
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So open your piehole and get curbstomped?
Welcome to cs&d's Ameirka !!!!
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So open your piehole and get curbstomped?
What a lot of people don't seem to comprehend is that the time to open your piehole is in front of the judge. As far as I know, cursing at street level police officers doing their job seldom results in them voiding the ticket. =|
bob
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I used to think in those terms but have come to the realization that the taxpayers of <insert city> have been complacent enough to allow such thugs acts to creep into their law enforcement and should sent the tab for their 'public servants' behaving badly.
Good point - maybe, eventually, voters will come to realize that voting for the wrong people can be expensive.
As for her original offense . . . I don't like people who talk or text on a cell phone while driving. But I absolutely detest laws that prohibit it for us, while explicitly making an exception for police & other government employees; right here in the Austin area there have been several instances of police running people over or causing a collision while they're playing with their in-car computer (same distraction as cell phone use) and . . . nothing much happens.
Can't do much about it, but if I'm ever on a jury where someone is being prosecuted for violating a law that exempts government employees, I'm more likely to hang the jury than convict.
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Bitch should have shut up. She's lucky they didn't shoot her. God bless the brave police!
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How do so many folks f up an act as simple as getting a ticket? Its not hard
That works on both sides of the thin blue line....
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She should have just made the sandwich/sammitch.
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Cops who abuse their position need to be put in prison more often, because the impunity they take for granted seems to leave very little decency in police culture anymore.
This.
Cop buddy of mine can hardly stand to associate with other cops. He has a select few cop friends who are not drunk pervs, not thugs, and don't try to sleep with other cops' wives.
As far as the OP, my RN wife can hardly get a ticket. Cops see her scrubs and where she works and give her a warning.
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In my view, those two so called peace officers should be stuck on a desk for the rest of their careers. There is no reason why two men VS one woman, no matter what her mouth spewed, or even if she resisted a bit when they first laid hands on her to be as violent with her as was displayed on that video. I'd like to know what she did to cause them to lay hands on her in the first place. Because if she did not commit an arrestable offense, and smart mouthing police isn't a crime, they have no business touching her, period. If a police officer lays hands on you, you are technically and officially under arrest!! If those two officers can't take a little smart mouth, they should not be on the street. Their job is to defuse situations and follow the law.
What I saw in the video was disgusting no matter what the circumstance, mainly as there certainly could not have been any reason for doing as they did.
I'm pretty sure most of you know that I was in LE, I respect the job, served well and still hang now and then with guys I worked with, so I think I can make certain comments without being accused of cop bashing.
I'd mock both those guys into going to work as a mall ninja if I was LAPD.
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Thank you, Grampster.
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Grampster= respect! =D
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It appears to be a 22 year veteran of LAPD, showing a 10 month rookie just exactly what you could get away with - before everyone started carrying cell phone video cameras. Or...maybe they thought she was Lindsey Lohan.
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I am always astounded that the names of the officers is held back. If what they did was not justified it was assault and regular old citizens get their name put into the public record when they are under investigation for such crimes.
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What kind of person gets out of their car, cursing at the police, over a "use of a cell phone while driving" stop?
A typical American driver.
Where ya been living for the past decade or so?
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She did it for liberty!
How do so many folks f up an act as simple as getting a ticket? Its not hard
There are a bunch of us that don't have much experience with getting tickets or even stopped for that matter.
My last speeding ticket, or any other moving violation was September 1981. I did get a bogus inspection ticket in '94 but I beat that and got an apology from the court. The other three times I've been pulled over in the last 30+ years , 2 were for burned out lights and the last time was one of the local yokels thought I was stealing my work van.
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In my view, those two so called peace officers should be stuck on a desk for the rest of their careers arrested and charged with assault, like anyone else would have been.
FTFY.
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What a lot of people don't seem to comprehend is that the time to open your piehole is in front of the judge. As far as I know, cursing at street level police officers doing their job seldom results in them voiding the ticket. =|
bob
That's as may be - heck, I'll even agree with you from a practical point of view. Although I'll reserve the right to civilly inform an officer who is in the wrong that he *IS* in the wrong, and why, to give him a chance to undo his error. Hasn't needed to happen yet, so I have no idea whether it would be likely to work or not.
Cursing at "street-level police officers doing their job" should NOT result in curbstomping, or even in milder forms of "attitude adjustment."
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I've argued with a cop before, and Won!
Did it politely but firmly, however.
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One can argue with the street cop, if one isn't an idiot about it. There were many times I pulled folks over for various and sundry traffic infractions where I really hadn't decided to write a ticket or not. Sometimes the decision to write one was made easy for me by the traffic violator's attitude.
On the other hand: =D
I recall being stopped at a red light heading east when a vehicle approached from the opposite direction and made a right turn without even slowing down. (Not OK to turn on red in those days.) I was astounded at the guys inattention. So I pulled him over went through the license, registration and insurance routine. He sat quietly and provided the info and when I finished with the routine and advised him I was giving him a ticket for running a red light, he quietly advised me that there is a green arrow for right hand turns. (That cross street became a one way at that light going south. He was headed west and was turning north) I told the guy that he was mistaken and here's your ticket. He said at least I could go back and look. "Nope not necessary, you're wrong here's your ticket." says I. He shrugged his shoulders wished me a good day and left.
After he left, something was intruding upon my self righteous LE attitude. So I went back to the intersection and looked it over. I was horrified to find out that he was right. A bit later I looked for a pay phone and called the guy's house and when he answered I apologized to him and drove to his house and picked up his copy of the ticket so I could void it. Eating crow is never a pleasant thing, but it surely does make one be more sure of oneself before taking actions.
I once pulled a vehicle over for speeding. When I got to the female driver and started to do my routine, she turned a tearful face to me and told me she was speeding because she had to pee. :O I don't know if she did or whether she pulled the wool, but it worked. I couldn't let her go fast enough. :laugh: :laugh:
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The video.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/caught-camera-2-lapd-officers-060800925.html
At first glance, the first toss could theoretically be justified with the right story. Standard "I'm not there, I don't know what happened" disclaimer. Second toss? Not so much. I'd be curious to see even C&SD explain that one.
Rookie is toast. Union will protect the older guy until he can retire. So likely, both will ride a desk until they leave the LAPD.
After he left, something was intruding upon my self righteous LE attitude. So I went back to the intersection and looked it over. I was horrified to find out that he was right. A bit later I looked for a pay phone and called the guy's house and when he answered I apologized to him and drove to his house and picked up his copy of the ticket so I could void it. Eating crow is never a pleasant thing, but it surely does make one be more sure of oneself before taking actions.
My hats off to you, sir.
Here in the states, thankfully my involvement with the local police has been minimal. But two out of three have been excellent. Back in college, the university police's job was to underreport crime. This is common at most schools, to pad the crime statistics to which parents do pay a lot of attention. There was one officer in particular that did not. Rapes would be reported as such. Same with theft, or any other crime. Except for alcohol related offenses, which were severely policed. A rape or mugging would be ignored if possible, but even a small gathering of students involving alcohol would warrant strict attention. I suspect over 90% of reported crimes bore his signature on the reports. Normally students were very reluctant to talk to police, wisely so. We worked with this officer on a regular basis to keep him up to date on intel, if we warranted it wise. If a lady, even possibly underage, was walking home intoxicated, he would give her a lift home. Other officers would either leave her to her fate, or take her to the station. He was a good person. That lady is now my best friend's wife, and a nurse. An underage drinking conviction could have cost her career.
Saved my bacon later. I had some issues with a department a few years later. They were under the impression that local ordinances trumped federal law. And unfortunately, I had to go to them for fingerprints for my TS clearance. Word got around the station that I was responsible for a particular officer being (literally) screamed at by Army lawyers and the local magistrates. Apparently, when a local magistrate (a veteran of the 82nd Airborne) threatens to call the DA on an officer for violations of federal law, this is not pleasant. So, 6-8 officers were watching my fingerprinting with a semi hostile air. Which is flattering, that they thought it would take that many officers to subdue me or successfully ah, arrange an accidental "fall", if necessary. Until one officer looked at my ID, that they were passing around. It was Officer N mentioned above. Did the "This is not the droid you're looking for" wave, tipped his hat to me and the other officers dispersed.
Tis why I am courteous to folks. Never know when YEARS down the road... It pays off dearly.
And my local police where I live now seem also very nice folks.
People are people. Some good, some bad, most somewhere inbetween. Courtesy is always a wise decision. There is (usually) no profit from screaming and waving. I have rarely been pulled over, but when I am, I do exactly what I would prefer to see back when I was walking up on unknown vehicles. Hands on the wheel, calm even tones and reasonable politeness. It does not always help, but it has never thus far hurt.
As far as the OP, my RN wife can hardly get a ticket. Cops see her scrubs and where she works and give her a warning.
Friend of mine is a nurse. Same story. I can completely understand, as I try not to anger women that may have access to sharp objects while I can incapacitated.
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An unvirtuous people will produce unvirtuous police.
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Emergency room nurses were Florence Nightingales when I was in LE. The took care of us as if they were our mothers.
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Tis why I am courteous to folks. Never know when YEARS down the road... It pays off dearly.
Yeah, especially those with badges and guns =)
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I try not to anger women people that may have access to sharp objects while I can incapacitated.
The Jayne Cobb Rule.
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If Florence nightengale decided " you can't srredt me!" And resisted I'll wager being taken to the ground is sop. And she was a slow learner since she hada go through that in the initial cuffing. The toss was over enthusiastic. I will observe though wthat there is a phenomenom amongst some nurses that mimics being badge heavy. They get used to being in command and don't okay well when that's gets challenged. The worst thing I saw was the fist bump. Juvenile and unproffesional. You notice that her husband was smart enough to stay in the car?
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The worst thing I saw was the fist bump.
Ahhh ja, Herr cs&d, endschuldigen sie, your Hugo Boss Uniform is on back order, aber your Schuhzweckestiefel are in.
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Is there a copy of the entire video available, or just the edited parts that are being shown by various news outlets? I watched one news report that said 1 minute 40 seconds passed between the cuffing and the second toss to the ground. Things like this is why I am an advocate of all police wearing body cams. They are thinking of buying them for the city police here.
bob
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Is there a copy of the entire video available, or just the edited parts that are being shown by various news outlets? I watched one news report that said 1 minute 40 seconds passed between the cuffing and the second toss to the ground. Things like this is why I am an advocate of all police wearing body cams. They are thinking of buying them for the city police here.
bob
You meanyou noticed the mysterious edit in the tape the one that immediately precedes her second face plant? Were I a cynical man I'd observe that her landsharks offered us the tape. Maybe its different in la but getting out of your car and advancing angrily towards the cops is considered threatening in some places. Ymmv
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I guess you missed the part where she is cuffed and at the back the back of the squad car, when she's thrown to the ground?
Yep, shoulda tased her ass. That will teach her to respect authoritay.
Can someone explain why c&sd gets all frothy at the mouth over Sheriff Joe's (alledged) misdeeds, but runs into to defend the Ordung Polizei when they go all "What 4th Amendment ?" on the people they have sworn to "Serve and Protect"?
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That's exactly the point I refer to. There is an odd edit there that makes me wanna see what happened. Or in your mind the cops decided to see if they could hip toss her in front of her hubby for grins and chuckles? I wonder how bad she was that her old man stayed in the car rather than defend her. And I wonder how used to her going off he was.
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I guess I'll have to watch the video later.
However, I have been watching that cable channel a lot that has World's Dumbest and Amazing Police Videos. I have to say that there are a bunch of stupid people out there. In a lot of those videos I end up wanting to see cops beat the crap out of the person or shoot them and can't believe it when they don't. I certainly won't just assume these cops were in the wrong without some clear unedited evidence.
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You meanyou noticed the mysterious edit in the tape the one that immediately precedes her second face plant? Were I a cynical man I'd observe that her landsharks offered us the tape. Maybe its different in la but getting out of your car and advancing angrily towards the cops is considered threatening in some places. Ymmv
Lolz. The part where the woman got the big bootprint on her chest was edited out.
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CSD, why can't you accept that there are some really bad people in the world? Certain people really like to bully, hurt, and even kill other people, even women and children. These people become construction workers, executives, teachers, doctors, truck drivers, farmers and sometimes, yes, as hard as it is to believe, they sometimes become cops. Unfortunately, as cops they have an outlet for their psychosis and get to try to push the envelope of what they can get away with to get their rocks off. This is not an indictment of the police-most of whom do a dirty, dangerous and thankless job, its an indictment of the deranged individual and those who are more than willing to leap in and cover for them when they do cross the line.
I'll leave you with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kgG0s7lVk
That is how one of these individuals act when they think the camera isn't running. Believe me that at the time, there was no shortage of internet trolls, police union goons, and others holding up the 'thin blue line' defending this sewer turd.
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I guess you missed the part where she is cuffed and at the back the back of the squad car, when she's thrown to the ground?
Yep, shoulda tased her ass. That will teach her to respect authoritay.
Can someone explain why c&sd gets all frothy at the mouth pver Sheriff Joe's (alledged) misdeeds, but runs into to defend the Ordung Polizei when they go all "What 4th Amendment ?" or the people they have sworn to "Serve and Protect"?
Sheriff Joe also targets illegal aliens, which in some way pinches CSD's sensibilities/bottom line/whatever. Regular American citizens do not get similar sympathy when abused.
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I guess I'll have to watch the video later.
However, I have been watching that cable channel a lot that has World's Dumbest and Amazing Police Videos. I have to say that there are a bunch of stupid people out there. In a lot of those videos I end up wanting to see cops beat the crap out of the person or shoot them and can't believe it when they don't. I certainly won't just assume these cops were in the wrong without some clear unedited evidence.
I would like to see the entire video as well. I think it is important. But one thing is clear here:
Two full grown active duty cops vs. one lady in handcuffs... ;) And the only way they could "feel in control" was by forcefully throwing her face-first into the pavement, all the while her hands restrained behind her back. Watch the video closely, that was a skilled throw, HE GUIDED HER HEAD INTO THE GROUND. That is an extremely violent action, and even more so because she was literally handicapped by the cuffs on her wrists and had no way of guarding the impact.
What could have happened off camera that would have raised the treat level enough to merit that level of violent force?
Was she being taught a lesson? Was the younger cop being taught a lesson by the Vet, who saw a justifiable opportunity to teach with a real live (conveniently petite) punching bag?
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she was not teachable it was her second trip to the ground in a couple mins. after her storming outa her car.
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I would like to see the entire video as well. I think it is important. But one thing is clear here:
Two full grown active duty cops vs. one lady in handcuffs... ;) And the only way they could "feel in control" was by forcefully throwing her face-first into the pavement, all the while her hands restrained behind her back. Watch the video closely, that was a skilled throw, HE GUIDED HER HEAD INTO THE GROUND. That is an extremely violent action, and even more so because she was literally handicapped by the cuffs on her wrists and had no way of guarding the impact.
What could have happened off camera that would have raised the treat level enough to merit that level of violent force?
Was she being taught a lesson? Was the younger cop being taught a lesson by the Vet, who saw a justifiable opportunity to teach with a real live (conveniently petite) punching bag?
First, you first statement makes all the rest purely assumption. If I know I am watching an edited video, I refuse to assign blame. I am not going to make any assumptions here and treat the cops like they are guilty until proven innocent.
And then there is always the attitude I get sometimes that stupid should hurt..............a lot. That attitude doesn't fit too well with our hyper sensitive tort system though.
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she was not teachable it was her second trip to the ground in a couple mins. after her storming outa her car.
Are you suggesting that it is the job of the police to beat some sense in to handcuffed prisoners?
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no i was responding to the comment about teaching her a lesson. she was and likely still is unteachable
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I guess you missed the part where she is cuffed and at the back the back of the squad car, when she's thrown to the ground?
Yep, shoulda tased her ass. That will teach her to respect authoritay.
Can someone explain why c&sd gets all frothy at the mouth pver Sheriff Joe's (alledged) misdeeds, but runs into to defend the Ordung Polizei when they go all "What 4th Amendment ?" or the people they have sworn to "Serve and Protect"?
Projection?
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Why is it that these two LA cops were unable to deal with a confrontational motorist without body slamming her to the ground (twice), when thousands of other cops nationwide have managed to over the years?
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One can argue with the street cop, if one isn't an idiot about it. There were many times I pulled folks over for various and sundry traffic infractions where I really hadn't decided to write a ticket or not. Sometimes the decision to write one was made easy for me by the traffic violator's attitude.
On the other hand: =D
I recall being stopped at a red light heading east when a vehicle approached from the opposite direction and made a right turn without even slowing down. (Not OK to turn on red in those days.) I was astounded at the guys inattention. So I pulled him over went through the license, registration and insurance routine. He sat quietly and provided the info and when I finished with the routine and advised him I was giving him a ticket for running a red light, he quietly advised me that there is a green arrow for right hand turns. (That cross street became a one way at that light going south. He was headed west and was turning north) I told the guy that he was mistaken and here's your ticket. He said at least I could go back and look. "Nope not necessary, you're wrong here's your ticket." says I. He shrugged his shoulders wished me a good day and left.
After he left, something was intruding upon my self righteous LE attitude. So I went back to the intersection and looked it over. I was horrified to find out that he was right. A bit later I looked for a pay phone and called the guy's house and when he answered I apologized to him and drove to his house and picked up his copy of the ticket so I could void it. Eating crow is never a pleasant thing, but it surely does make one be more sure of oneself before taking actions.
I once pulled a vehicle over for speeding. When I got to the female driver and started to do my routine, she turned a tearful face to me and told me she was speeding because she had to pee. :O I don't know if she did or whether she pulled the wool, but it worked. I couldn't let her go fast enough. :laugh: :laugh:
Respectful tip of the hat to you, for both admitting your error with the first one and recognizing the urgency of the second :lol:.
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no i was responding to the comment about teaching her a lesson. she was and likely still is unteachable
Funny, but I do not recall handcuffs and beatings used in HS or college to teach the slower folks.
Must be because it does not work, and that it can be classified as torture.
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i don't know i can name quite a few folks who were cognizant enough to realize that the bracelets were not an endorsement of their behavior and were able to correct it. there is a minority that behave like florence. am a smaller minority that need it twice. lets hope she didn't breed
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Someone with a law enforcement background, please educate me:
Under what circumstances would an officer be legally justified in body-slamming a hand-cuffed suspect into the pavement?
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if they try to resist or escape taking folks to the ground is sop. that was a pretty enthusiastic toss.i
anyone find an unedited tape yet? do folks really think that once cuffed they can resist their way outa getting into the back seat? shes a real blonde isn't she
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Someone with a law enforcement background, please educate me:
Under what circumstances would an officer be legally justified in body-slamming a hand-cuffed suspect into the pavement?
No kidding! Did you catch their fist bump right after that?
I did not see any resisting that rationalized the body slam.
They are guilty of torture and excessive use of force, period.
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Someone with a law enforcement background, please educate me:
Under what circumstances would an officer be legally justified in body-slamming a hand-cuffed suspect into the pavement?
<----- MP Officer.
"That would be none, Alex. Use of Force for $400. "
There is a Use of Force continuum. Running your Piehole does NOT fall anywhere on the Use of Force Continuum. She can say all she wants, things that would make R.Lee Ermey wince, cry, smile with pride, and/or pee his pants. None of which justifies being hip thrown onto the pavement. They had her under control in cuffs, and at the back of the car. Sorry c&sd, it is not the cops job to "educate" her. That is the refuge of thugs, jackboots, and sociopaths. And that you don't recognize that is truly sad and pathetic.
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What Scout said.
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<----- MP Officer.
"That would be none, Alex. Use of Force for $400. "
There is a Use of Force continuum. Running your Piehole does NOT fall anywhere on the Use of Force Continuum. She can say all she wants, things that would make R.Lee Ermey wince, cry, smile with pride, and/or pee his pants. None of which justifies being hip thrown onto the pavement. They had her under control in cuffs, and at the back of the car. Sorry c&sd, it is not the cops job to "educate" her. That is the refuge of thugs, jackboots, and sociopaths. And that you don't recognize that is truly sad and pathetic.
you know she was under control how?
you buck up and struggle they put you down. in the real world and lack of a y chromosome only buys so much slack. she is indeed allowed to say anything she wants. can you support your assertion she got slammed for mouthy? bear in mind we have earlier footage of her esisting and getting her first trip to the ground.
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you know she was under control how?
you buck up and struggle they put you down. in the real world and lack of a y chromosome only buys so much slack. she is indeed allowed to say anything she wants. can you support your assertion she got slammed for mouthy? bear in mind we have earlier footage of her esisting and getting her first trip to the ground.
Uhh, they had her in cuffs at the back of the car. And I did not see any struggle. If she did, SHE'S AGAINST THE BACK OF THE CAR, IN HANDCUFFS. If she is struggling you don't throw her in the other direction, you use your body to hold the suspect onto the car. DUUUUHHHHH.
There is no evidence of her "resisting". There is evidence of her getting out of the car. That's not resisting.
This cop is a professional. Those in LA were not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82nre2dnQ20
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Uhh, they had her in cuffs at the back of the car. And I did not see any struggle. If she did, SHE'S AGAINST THE BACK OF THE CAR, IN HANDCUFFS. If she is struggling you don't throw her in the other direction, you use your body to hold the suspect onto the car. DUUUUHHHHH.
There is no evidence of her "resisting". There is evidence of her getting out of the car. That's not resisting.
This cop is a professional. Those in LA were not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82nre2dnQ20
re you looking at a tape that i haven't the one i see was released by her lawyers and has a mysterious edit at the critical moment. call me cynical
you didn't see any struggle? you missed her getting cuffed? we must be watching different tapes
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I wondered if anyone would find that particular youtube video. I've laughed at that many times. The troop is a gem.
One thing I noticed was the youtube censor bleeps the F word but allows the Lord's name to be used as a curse word.
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This cop is a professional. Those in LA were not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82nre2dnQ20
I love that clip...
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Uhh, they had her in cuffs at the back of the car. And I did not see any struggle. If she did, SHE'S AGAINST THE BACK OF THE CAR, IN HANDCUFFS. If she is struggling you don't throw her in the other direction, you use your body to hold the suspect onto the car. DUUUUHHHHH.
Yeah, that had me scratching my head, too.
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in real life they let you know they are gonna take you to the ground. in this case for a second time.
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IIRC, the female in this instance has been described as "petite". Why didn't they just approach it like this police officer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=6fbwg3X8hsU
bob
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^^^^ I liked the 'Aaargh, aaargh' on the videotape! Helpfully closed captioned for your convenience!
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Under what circumstances would an officer be legally justified in body-slamming a hand-cuffed suspect into the pavement?
I bet it has something to do with "Officer Safety".
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Your blood, their safety [ar15]
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Unfortunately, LE involves violence. My rabbi, was my dad's best friend and Lt of Detectives, the only one to ever hold that rank before and since. He provided me with many tips on how to be proactive with respect to self preservation. He told me that I did not make enough money to lose a confrontation.
Having said that, peace officers are not supposed to be bullies. This is a gun forum. What do we believe and teach others with respect to the use of firearms? Stop the threat. When the threat is over, no more. The same applies to LE. When the threat is over, no more violence. Can a handcuffed wack job nitwit still be harmful? Even a handcuffed pissed off woman? Certainly. But if one cannot recognize the proper force to stop a threat such as that, one should turn in one's badge and find something else to do. I don't care what might be missing from that tape. Two against one handcuffed woman does not require a violent face plant, period!!
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We say "stop the threat" for legal and political reasons. It is a correct statement that doesn't scare the public. I wouldn't want to understate the violence behind that statement.
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in real life they let you know they are gonna take you to the ground. in this case for a second time.
Not always.
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true if you really act up. if you are just being marginally stupid they let you know in an attempt to dissuade you. kinda like the stop resisting or i'll taze you. and folks still decide poorly
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I never arrested anyone who wasn't "deciding poorly". :lol:
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yea in all my "encounters" i was only innocent once. that was hard to deal with . didn't know the rules and procedures for when i didn't do it. i had to ask for help. the cop who served me laughed her butt off but she was helpful
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The words "probe" and "rough arrest" are a little scary in the same sentence =|
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I love that clip...
Same here. MA I believe.
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Your blood, their safety [ar15]
I tend to think of Officer Safety as a character played by John Candy, in an ill-fitting blue uniform covered in Cake Donette crumbs, who gets trotted out whenever a dubious police shooting or beating-down needs to be explained.
You can see him in your mind, can't you? And hear that little laugh that he did?
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I tend to think of Officer Safety as a character played by John Candy, in an ill-fitting blue uniform covered in Cake Donette crumbs, who gets trotted out whenever a dubious police shooting or beating-down needs to be explained.
You can see him in your mind, can't you? And hear that little laugh that he did?
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No, you will not besmirch my memory of John Candy. I will always remember him as Uncle Buck. And the laugh goes with the scene where he brandishes his razor sharp hatchet for the edification of the no-good boyfriend.