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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Jamie B on September 09, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=160832024&ft=1&f=
WASHINGTON (AP) — Ann Romney says while she and her husband have never had financial woes, they do know what it's like to struggle.
The wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says her battle with multiple sclerosis has been at times a cruel teacher.
Well, this makes me feel so much better.
If they have not worried about money, they have not struggled like the rest of us.
They are not like the rest of us at all.
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Whether a politician is like me or not is of no concern to me.
Whether a politician pursues policies that increase liberty and economic prosperity are what concern me.
The rest is a bunch of class/racial/religious rhetoric that distracts from the real issues.
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Who cares?
You want to get really down in the weeds, life is a struggle and we all lose finally. Most politicians might shy from such cheerful talk.
I don't want a politician that is just like me. I'd be a horrible president. My foreign policy would be loved by all though. All the survivors that is.
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I don't want a President that's been what I've been through.
I don't care if they've been poor or rich, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
I don't care what kind of care the candidate drove, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
I do care if you made your riches legally, but I don't care if you had to lay off people to do so, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
Are you seeing a pattern here?
I want someone who is, at least, smart enough to surround themselves with experts in foreign relations, energy, finance, etc who are trusted and respected in their fields to advise.
I want someone who is not going to spend a majority of their time trying to take away my freedoms/rights/money/time. If the president gets vacations, I should be able to, in theory, take a vacation too. If I can't because I am paying too much out in taxes/fees/fines, there is a problem.
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Whether a politician is like me or not is of no concern to me.
Whether a politician pursues policies that increase liberty and economic prosperity are what concern me.
The rest is a bunch of class/racial/religious rhetoric that distracts from the real issues.
All that and a bag of chips.
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Whether a politician is like me or not is of no concern to me.
Whether a politician pursues policies that increase liberty and economic prosperity are what concern me.
The rest is a bunch of class/racial/religious rhetoric that distracts from the real issues.
+1! ;)
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Whether a politician is like me or not is of no concern to me.
Whether a politician pursues policies that increase liberty and economic prosperity are what concern me.
The rest is a bunch of class/racial/religious rhetoric that distracts from the real issues.
This. The fact someone has 'not struggled' neither makes them a worse nor a better person.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Ann Romney says while she and her husband have never had financial woes, they do know what it's like to struggle.
The wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says her battle with multiple sclerosis has been at times a cruel teacher.
Ms. Romney, with all due respect. you'd be well-advised to dispense with patronizing bovine skat. A lot of us have had critical financial woes AND suffered immediate life-threatening medical conditions for which payment could not be paid because of serious financial woes. Your time will be best spent convincing your husband to implement policies which get off my freakin' airhose so I can afford my own health insurance. I don't want your platitudes or your protestations that you are just like me. You aren't. I want you, your husband, and his government off my airhose so I can live my life in a manner suitable to me. Is there anything I just said that you do not understand?????
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Sadly many - many even among us - confuse patronising with 'caring'.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=160832024&ft=1&f=
Well, this makes me feel so much better.
If they have not worried about money, they have not struggled like the rest of us.
They are not like the rest of us at all.
I didn't really think they were. None of that class is.
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I don't want a President that's been what I've been through.
I don't care if they've been poor or rich, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
I don't care what kind of care the candidate drove, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
I do care if you made your riches legally, but I don't care if you had to lay off people to do so, just DON'T LIE to me about it.
This is exactly my point!
She is stretching to show that they are the same.
I know that they are not.
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When in modern times have we had a president that had any connection to ordinary everyday Americans?
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When in modern times have we had a president that had any connection to ordinary everyday Americans?
That's a good question... Jimmy Carter, maybe? And he totally sucked as a president. (Made a pretty good ex-president for a while.)
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Why should we or why would we want a president who's like ordinary Americans? Don't we want someone who's more driven, who's been more successful at his endeavors than others? It's an executive position with even more of the sorts of demands put upon CEO's of major corporations (who don't have to order people to be killed, either). It's not a job for Joe Six Pack.
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Why should we or why would we want a president who's like ordinary Americans? Don't we want someone who's more driven, who's been more successful at his endeavors than others? It's an executive position with even more of the sorts of demands put upon CEO's of major corporations (who don't have to order people to be killed, either). It's not a job for Joe Six Pack.
True, but people can also come from less-privileged backgrounds and exhibit those qualities.
it's just human nature to want your leaders to understand your situation, and if they've been there themselves, that helps. It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it's understandable that people might consider it.
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The most important decisions of leaderships are not 'expert decisions', but moral decisions.
That is to say: I would like to have a leader that shares my moral values, my views on the issues, etc. Some people believe that a leader that shares your class background is more likely to share those views, but let us not confuse cause and effect.
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This is suddenly reminding me of John Kerry talking up his hunting experience...
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The woman has had both MS and breast cancer. Why not lighten up on the woman just a bit? Being rich doesn't mean everything is suddenly easy or painless in your life.
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Anyone not successful in their life want to tell me who they blame for their failures? Did some rich guy take your opportunity away? What's stopping you from being the next Bill Gates? Some of you are starting to sound like a bunch of OWS types =D
I'm fully aware the 99%+ of where I'm at in life is a direct result of the choices I've made, what I've done or failed to do or how I reacted to the various crap sammiches "life" has handed to me.
The wife of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney says her battle with multiple sclerosis has been at times a cruel teacher.
I don't see anything condescending in that statement. I've watch my dad struggle with MS for more than 25 years. I know what it can do to a person, I've seen it up close and personal.
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Life's tough all over. Thinking it isn't means you don't have much of an imagination.
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Life's tough all over. Thinking it isn't means you don't have much of an imagination.
But, but, but...having money than you can spend fixes everything! Right?
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But, but, but...having money than you can spend fixes everything! Right?
Andrew Carnegie could not be reached for a comment to this post.
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We elect them to do what we need done, the practical social and economic stuff, not to share our pain or be "bigger" exemplars of ourselves. America is not (I hope beyond hope) reality tv, it is a nation. All of this is part of the romantic take-over of what was once a strong country and culture.
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Anyone not successful in their life want to tell me who they blame for their failures?
All I can say is that people will pay much more for stuff they want but don't really need, as opposed to stuff they really need.
I didn't realize that at first :facepalm:
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If you are saying much of the "economy" is based on fantasy and the buying and re-buying of **** we don't need, you are right.
Check out any shopping mall. You will see (mostly) women trolling with shopping bags for...well, ask the marketing and advertising people who adrenalize our desires, and they will tell you. Too much of what we call our "economy" is nothing but an OCD syndrome.
Restless women and men who love them way too much.
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If you are saying much of the "economy" is based on fantasy and the buying and re-buying of **** we don't need, you are right.
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I'm saying that if you want to make money, then sell toys instead of vegetables. ;)
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=160832024&ft=1&f=
Well, this makes me feel so much better.
If they have not worried about money, they have not struggled like the rest of us.
They are not like the rest of us at all.
Speaking as someone who HAS MS, you can take your opinion and pretty much eat *expletive deleted*it. Money or not, it's a struggle that you can't possibly understand unless you have it. She is correct, it is a cruel teacher, regardless of ability to pay for treatment (which btw, ALL of the MS drugs are available free from their respective manufacturers).
You should pray to god every night and every morning that you and your family don't have to struggle like she and her family did with MS.
I've had to worry about money in the past to the extent of cutting down on food, dealing with collections, and having my truck repossessed, and now I have to worry about MS, I can tell you without a doubt, I'd give up my 1%'er status now and go back to worrying about money in a freakin' NANOSECOND if it meant I wouldn't have MS.
Worrying about how to make a payment on a physical object? Big whoop. How about waking up every morning wondering if you'll suddenly (a few hours onset) start going blind (had that happen, thankfully IV steroids arrested the attack) or if you'll lose feeling in your feet (had that happen) or lose motor control in your shooting/writing hand (had that happen two years ago, and it still re-occurs), or have burning pain in your legs that no medication can treat, or have fatigue so bad you can't get out of bed to go to work (about every few weeks) now THAT is worry, and a struggle that affects you and very one close to you.
Put yourself in their shoes...she could wake up tomorrow and never be able to see her children and grand children ever again, or be confined to a wheelchair, or be in agonizing pain. Don't you think that's a struggle for her and her family? Now throw in breast cancer AT THE SAME TIME, and don't forget that MS meds are immune suppressants and when combined with chemo and other cancer treatment (or even by themselves) can make even the flu a potential trigger for an MS relapse or life threatening infection.
Economic situations can improve with time, effort, and the help of others, MS only gets worse in the long run.
So in summary, and speaking for the other 400,000 MS sufferers in the US, go to hell.
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I'm saying that if you want to make money, then sell toys instead of vegetables. ;)
Let them eat toys?
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No one is questioning A.R.'s struggle. I think the issue is whether this kind of struggle is relevant to the election of a President. We don't need a Moral Struggle competition between the Romneys and the Obamas, but we are getting it. The problem is the people end up tuning out both sides, even if one side is lying and the other telling the truth.
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No one is questioning A.R.'s struggle. I think the issue is whether this kind of struggle is relevant to the election of a President. We don't need a Moral Struggle competition between the Romneys and the Obamas, but we are getting it. The problem is the people end up tuning out both sides, even if one side is lying and the other telling the truth.
Actually, no.
The comment birdman responded to from Jamie B was most definitely questioning A.R.'s struggle
This is what he said.
If they have not worried about money, they have not struggled like the rest of us.
They are not like the rest of us at all.
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No one is questioning A.R.'s struggle. I think the issue is whether this kind of struggle is relevant to the election of a President. We don't need a Moral Struggle competition between the Romneys and the Obamas, but we are getting it. The problem is the people end up tuning out both sides, even if one side is lying and the other telling the truth.
BS. Jamie B said specifically that they haven't "struggled like the rest of us". My point is he should thank god he and the other 99.7% of America without MS hasn't.
And I would bet my entire savings that there isn't a day that goes by where Mitt wouldn't give up all his millions if it meant Ann could live without the specter of MS.
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Let them eat toys?
Might be different if people get so poor that eating is a luxury.
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Speaking as someone who HAS MS, you can take your opinion and pretty much eat *expletive deleted*. Money or not, it's a struggle that you can't possibly understand unless you have it. She is correct, it is a cruel teacher, regardless of ability to pay for treatment (which btw, ALL of the MS drugs are available free from their respective manufacturers).
You should pray to god every night and every morning that you and your family don't have to struggle like she and her family did with MS.
I've had to worry about money in the past to the extent of cutting down on food, dealing with collections, and having my truck repossessed, and now I have to worry about MS, I can tell you without a doubt, I'd give up my 1%'er status now and go back to worrying about money in a freakin' NANOSECOND if it meant I wouldn't have MS.
Worrying about how to make a payment on a physical object? Big whoop. How about waking up every morning wondering if you'll suddenly (a few hours onset) start going blind (had that happen, thankfully IV steroids arrested the attack) or if you'll lose feeling in your feet (had that happen) or lose motor control in your shooting/writing hand (had that happen two years ago, and it still re-occurs), or have burning pain in your legs that no medication can treat, or have fatigue so bad you can't get out of bed to go to work (about every few weeks) now THAT is worry, and a struggle that affects you and very one close to you.
Put yourself in their shoes...she could wake up tomorrow and never be able to see her children and grand children ever again, or be confined to a wheelchair, or be in agonizing pain. Don't you think that's a struggle for her and her family? Now throw in breast cancer AT THE SAME TIME, and don't forget that MS meds are immune suppressants and when combined with chemo and other cancer treatment (or even by themselves) can make even the flu a potential trigger for an MS relapse or life threatening infection.
Economic situations can improve with time, effort, and the help of others, MS only gets worse in the long run.
So in summary, and speaking for the other 400,000 MS sufferers in the US, go to hell.
You are completely mistaken.
My best friend has MS, and I am quite aware of the issues.
She is currently dealing with no movement in her left hand.
The list of medications that she takes daily is amazing.
She has days where she is confined to her wheelchair, and I help her running by errands.
She has a pacemaker, a port that needs flushing bi-monthly, and has ad 2 major surgeries just this year.
She had days where she is blind, and I am with her to help her because I love her as a wonderful friend.
I have seen the cost of the myriad of medications that she has to take, and it is staggering.
I have known her well for almost 20 years, and I am pleased with every day that she shoulders on.
She has more strength and guts than any other human that I know.
She used to be an RN, and is acutely aware of her situation.
My anger with Ann Romney is playing the 'I am sick' card to help her hubby get elected. Period.
Knowing what Andi goes through daily to stay alive, and the fact that she is such an upbeat person in spite of her nasty disease, makes me disgusted with Ann Romney.
Andi does not have the benefit of financial luxury to be surrounded with nurses and aids galore.
She has just me, her friend and neighbor, and her aging parents.
I suggest that you pound sand in your incorrect assessment of me.
There will be no need in the future for you to address me in any way.
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You did NOT state that you were referring to her "I'm sick" as helping her husband get elected.
You DID say "if they have not worried about money, they haven't struggled like the rest of us"
At no point in your ORIGINAL post did you refer to what you now state is your reasoning. So either edit the original (and I'll likewise remove my post) to reflect that, or pound sand.
If you had stated your point originally I would not have made my "incorrect" assessment.
I didnt know your situation or familiarity with MS, now I do. But your original statement still galls me, and if you stand by it, and don't correct or clarify it, that seems odd.
In the article you cited, her statements were in response to OTHERS saying that "they didn't know how good they have it", as if they haven't struggled. She stated they had, and why. In her convention speech, she brought up MS only to describe how Mitt was there for her when their family had struggles, and how they dealt with it as a family. She is no more using it to get him elected as the opposition is using it to disparage her. The MS thing was FIRST brought up by what were effectively attacks (on her horseback riding) on the Romney's. Before that, neither her nor Mitt brought it up to "get elected".
Michelle has described the "hardships" her and Barack had, and he himself extolled them in his books...are you going to be equally critical of that?
I apologize for my assessment of you, and I am sincerely sorry for what you have to deal with, as I know it well.
But do not act hurt and offended NOW when your original post was the offensive item, did not have the clarification you now add, and could easily be taken in the way I did.
Imagine your friend reading your original post...that effectively, if she had more money, she would not have "suffered like the rest of us"...think about it...read it in your head as if you were reading it to her....how would she take it.
Remember, TONE doesn't exist in text, and words mean something. Regardless of what you MEANT, your actual words were offensive.
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or have burning pain in your legs that no medication can treat...
I had that a few years ago for a couple of weeks as I was recovering from a lower back injury. Back finally started getting better and sciatica kicked in bigtime. APAP 10-500's didn't do anything, and high dose oxycodone just barely took the edge off. If it was permanent, I don't know that I could've handled it; gave me an understanding for folks who off themselves when suffering some dreadful disease.
The Romneys probably don't understand the struggles of poor people just trying to get by. And few people understand the struggles that they have (I sure don't, I don't wanna give the impression that I do with my previous paragraph). And other folks have totally different struggles. I didn't know it was a contest.
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It's not a contest. However, the article posted described an interview where effectively, it was made into one. Specifically, she was asked about statements by others that, because of their wealth, they lacked the ability to emphasize with others struggling in any fashion. I don't believe she should be apologetic that they hadn't struggled financially, but when asked to effectively defend why she believes they can empathize (which, who really cares, as other posts in this read have alluded to, empathy isn't required in a chief executive, only solutions..."I feel your pain" is a cover in this age when cuddly is more important than solutions), she defended her position using her own struggles as an example. She hasn't EVER said that she knows struggling MORE than anyone else, while those in opposition HAVE said that they have struggled LESS because of their wealth. It doesn't matter who struggled more, or why, what matters is results, and I'll take someone who has at least a vague understanding of how e economy actually works over our current POTUS any day.
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i think the obama trying to play "everyman" is much funnier
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Sorry Birdman, the "not a contest" comment wasn't directed at you. (I can see how it might have looked that way because I quoted a snippet from your post.) It was a comment on the futility and irrelevance of this whole line of discussion.
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Sorry Birdman, the "not a contest" comment wasn't directed at you. (I can see how it might have looked that way because I quoted a snippet from your post.) It was a comment on the futility and irrelevance of this whole line of discussion.
I know, I was clarifying. Apologies if you thought I was arguing against your point, I was attempting to further clarify that some people actually believe it is, and this whole discussion is based on an article that does so.
I'm just trying to make a specific point, and make my words amd arguments as clear as possible.
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Empathy, while not required, does help with understanding.
Empathy is not weak, but is more of an acknowledgement of of what is happening.
Understanding requires knowledge, common sense, and seeing details about people and/or a situation.
Understanding can be garnered by data gathering, but this requires a deep and wide breadth of experience.
I do not see these attributes in any current or prospective leaders at any level.
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I know, I was clarifying. Apologies if you thought I was arguing against your point, I was attempting to further clarify that some people actually believe it is, and this whole discussion is based on an article that does so.
Sorry if I made you think you need to apologize. (I'm just being silly at this point. What are we up to, about the 4th derivative?) ;)
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Empathy, while not required, does help with understanding.
Empathy is not weak, but is more of an acknowledgement of of what is happening.
Understanding requires knowledge, common sense, and seeing details about people and/or a situation.
Understanding can be garnered by data gathering, but this requires a deep and wide breadth of experience.
I do not see these attributes in any current or prospective leaders at any level.
Absolutely agreed (on the understanding aspect). Empathy is BS.
And sorry for the earlier, I hope you can see my point re: words and we can move forward, I was touchy about that topic because I personally have had people say I can't understand generic suffering because I am not monetarily suffering, when in fact I'd chose that over this any day.
I am truly saddened by your situation, and I am also truly glad your friend has someone like you in her life. I would be unable to cope if it wasn't for my family, understanding employers, and SWMBO, and your post has made me value their contributions to my life even more.
I know it's probably too late to mend that bridge, but if you ever want to talk about it (as richard Pryor called it "More S$&t"), feel free to PM me. It's a hard road, and the fact your friend has a positive outlook means a lot to me...that's the hardest thing for me (fitz can attest, he's been there for me a lot) is keeping a positive outlook.
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i think the obama trying to play "everyman" is much funnier
Didn't everyman go to Columbia and Yale law school after an exclusive prep school in Hawaii? Didn;t everyman get to lead the Yale Law Review without every having to write a law review article?
I despise claims of "empathy" as ignorant and smarmy.
The proper term is "sympathy." Unless you are me or have some magical way to read my mind, you are never going to "empathize" with me. Even experiencing some identical stimulus will not necessarily evoke similar emotion.
Sympathy, people.
Smarmy, because the claimant is trying for something more than sympathy, something they could not ever possibly manage attain, but presumptively claim. "I feel your pain," my *expletive deleted*ss. Like they are some sort of omniscient/omnisentient being.
Sympathy is as good as one human is ever going to get regarding another's complex emotional reaction to stimuli.
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Thanks roo_ster. I too get annoyed by the whole empathy thing...though, I would have made a trek reference...troi was an EMPATH, not a sympath (the rest of the whiny crew covered sympathy in spades)
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Didn't everyman go to Columbia and Yale law school after an exclusive prep school in Hawaii? Didn;t everyman get to lead the Yale Law Review without every having to write a law review article?
I despise claims of "empathy" as ignorant and smarmy.
The proper term is "sympathy." Unless you are me or have some magical way to read my mind, you are never going to "empathize" with me. Even experiencing some identical stimulus will not necessarily evoke similar emotion.
Sympathy, people.
Smarmy, because the claimant is trying for something more than sympathy, something they could not ever possibly manage attain, but presumptively claim. "I feel your pain," my *expletive deleted*. Like they are some sort of omniscient/omnisentient being.
Sympathy is as good as one human is ever going to get regarding another's complex emotional reaction to stimuli.
I disagree. I understood depression and was sympathetic. I got sick went through depression as a result. Now I am empathetic.the difference is similar to reading a recipe vs eating the food
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Absolutely agreed (on the understanding aspect). Empathy is BS.
And sorry for the earlier, I hope you can see my point re: words and we can move forward, I was touchy about that topic because I personally have had people say I can't understand generic suffering because I am not monetarily suffering, when in fact I'd chose that over this any day.
I am truly saddened by your situation, and I am also truly glad your friend has someone like you in her life. I would be unable to cope if it wasn't for my family, understanding employers, and SWMBO, and your post has made me value their contributions to my life even more.
I know it's probably too late to mend that bridge, but if you ever want to talk about it (as richard Pryor called it "More S$&t"), feel free to PM me. It's a hard road, and the fact your friend has a positive outlook means a lot to me...that's the hardest thing for me (fitz can attest, he's been there for me a lot) is keeping a positive outlook.
Check your PM
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Absolutely agreed (on the understanding aspect). Empathy is BS.
And sorry for the earlier, I hope you can see my point re: words and we can move forward, I was touchy about that topic because I personally have had people say I can't understand generic suffering because I am not monetarily suffering, when in fact I'd chose that over this any day.
I am truly saddened by your situation, and I am also truly glad your friend has someone like you in her life. I would be unable to cope if it wasn't for my family, understanding employers, and SWMBO, and your post has made me value their contributions to my life even more.
I know it's probably too late to mend that bridge, but if you ever want to talk about it (as richard Pryor called it "More S$&t"), feel free to PM me. It's a hard road, and the fact your friend has a positive outlook means a lot to me...that's the hardest thing for me (fitz can attest, he's been there for me a lot) is keeping a positive outlook.
This is true. Marc has a rough time staying positive.
I appreciate the sentiment, Marc. The happy accident that was our meeting and friendship has been a gigantic check mark in the "plus" column of my life.
MS is one seriously unfair *expletive deleted* disease. It is one that causes me great anger because this is now two people in my life whom I respect, and who I feel are tremendously valuable, who have to deal with it.
For that reason alone, I don't have a problem with AR using MS as an example of how she and those around her are not strangers to difficulty.
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I disagree. I understood depression and was sympathetic. I got sick went through depression as a result. Now I am empathetic.the difference is similar to reading a recipe vs eating the food
When you experience something yourself, you still don't know how someone else feels when they experience something just like it... but you at least have a frame of reference to understand and maybe offer some comfort. Or maybe even just being able to appreciate what being knocked on one's ass by whatever is all about. That's all empathy is. Sympathy is a lot closer to pity, and nobody wants that.
Troi was just a plot device to move the stories along.
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I disagree. I understood depression and was sympathetic. I got sick went through depression as a result. Now I am empathetic.the difference is similar to reading a recipe vs eating the food
You can tell me about your subjective response, but not about some third person's response. Better & closer for sure, but not there.
For instance, some stimuli caused me some rather serious distress but I pushed on through while a buddy, in the same situation, offed himself. I don't claim any sort of moral superiority or more mental toughness. I can sympathize with his experience, but I don't claim to understand his subjective experience or why it was we had different outcomes to similar stimuli. I certainly don't claim to have felt the same emotions he did. Maybe if I did, I would have offed myself too? I don't know. Which is the point(1).
Human behavior and all that goes into it is a complex critter. I sympathize with psychologists who work to understand it and I despise those who claim (without hard evidence) to be able to explain it. (DSM-I through -IV, I am looking at you.)
Last thing: I don't understand the diminution of sympathy. It takes more effort and likely more compassion to have sympathy for someone with whom you share no common experience than to have sympathy or "empathy" for someone with shared experience.
(1) Maybe I am too much the empiricist or am getting hung up on epistemology. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Troi was just a plot device to move the stories along.
I bet that just about every participant in this thread can agree on one thing: Troi had nice boobs.
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I bet that just about every participant in this thread can agree on one thing: Troi had nice boobs.
Seven of nine > t'pol > ( troi = Beverly) in the boob department. Actually, with the exception of Beverley's hair, in every department. Besides, resistance is futile, and I'd let seven assimilate me into her collective any day.
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I bet that just about every participant in this thread can agree on one thing: Troi had nice boobs.
I think you just won this thread, and maybe the whole Internet for a day.
Well played, sir.
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I think you just won this thread, and maybe the whole Internet for a day.
Well played, sir.
Indeed.
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I was going to say something about Seven of Nine plugging her probe into my Unimatrix Zero, but I suddenly felt faint.
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T'Pol > all
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T'Pol > all
Incorrect, I'll take the tall German over the too skinny surfer girl any day. Besides, t'pol only mates every seven years, and that is insufficient.
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How good do you think sex with a cybernetic life form is gonna be?
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Incorrect, I'll take the tall German over the too skinny surfer girl any day. Besides, t'pol only mates every seven years, and that is insufficient.
She's married? :O =D
Chris
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You are all a bunch of geeks.
Oh, and if we are talking strictly ST, Ensign Robin Lefler FTW.
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Although, these days I am more of a Farscape guy. You can have all the Trek babes, and I will take Chiana.
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How good do you think sex with a cybernetic life form is gonna be?
As logical as sex with a Vulcan, but more frequent.
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Much as I like photos of beautiful women and boobage (photos would be nice, BTW), this thread is straying from politics. That's okay, but it may have to be moved to the Sexist forum.
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Seven of nine > t'pol > ( troi = Beverly) in the boob department.
. . . (photos would be nice, BTW) . . .
Does the Trekkie babe have to be a regular? If not, I submit "Shahna" from the second season of the original series:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwearemoviegeeks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FStarTrekheader2.jpg&hash=3ca174f353e5824d03f39c888e3518db176ff151)
(If you look at this picture long enough, you may eventually notice the priceline guy in back of her. Ignore him.)
I'm not sure whether she's an Obama or Romney voter. (Added politics to halt thread drift.)
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She looks like Marie Antoinette with aluminum foil underwear and bad hair dye.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelique_Pettyjohn
Shahna the drill thrall died back in 1992. She had two posters done: http://www.vegasretro.com/glamour/7_shahna_star_trek1.html The X-rated version of the poster, to put it tactfully, had both the carpet and drapes matching with a vivid green hue.
To keep this political, with the rise of voter ID requirements, we can rest assured that Shahna will not be voting from the cemetery.
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Does the Trekkie babe have to be a regular? If not, I submit "Shahna" from the second season of the original series:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwearemoviegeeks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FStarTrekheader2.jpg&hash=3ca174f353e5824d03f39c888e3518db176ff151)
(If you look at this picture long enough, you may eventually notice the priceline guy in back of her. Ignore him.)
I'm not sure whether she's an Obama or Romney voter. (Added politics to halt thread drift.)
ARG....I had forgotten about that ugly green hair wig. :facepalm:
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I'm voting for that Dax girl. (Don't know how to spell her proper name.)
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I'm voting for that Dax girl.
I forgot about her.
I was in LOVE
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You hosers, you have to be specific. Which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri?
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ARG....I had forgotten about that ugly green hair wig. :facepalm:
When I first saw this episode, it was on a B&W television . . .
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You hosers, you have to be specific. Which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri?
Yes
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Jadzia
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You hosers, you have to be specific. Which Dax: Jadzia or Ezri?
They both have an ancient male worm in them that doninates their personality, so let's see...a hot chick with the mind of a dirty old man...
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To be precise, I thought the actress was purdy. Didn't love her for her personality. Would have been hard to, since I didn't watch the show. (Knew about the worm, though.)
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sonya_Gomez
.....and she had three boobs.... =D
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Epic sexist thread veer is epic.
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http://www.beertripper.com/ot_Periodic_Chart_of_Star_Trek_Babes.html (http://www.beertripper.com/ot_Periodic_Chart_of_Star_Trek_Babes.html)
http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/21/welcome-to-the-dollhouse-joss-whedon-babes-vs-star-trek-ho/ (http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/21/welcome-to-the-dollhouse-joss-whedon-babes-vs-star-trek-ho/)
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Revision, hottest trek babe is new Orion chick in the new movie.
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From the 'asylum' link above with my emphasis added:
Round 3: Beverly Crusher (Gates McFadden) vs. Willow (Alyson Hannigan)
Both gingers, both fan favorites. But Willow clearly takes the crown for being adorable, hilarious and having one of the most realistic (and sexiest) lesbian relationships on television. All Crusher ever gave us was that annoying dork Wesley.
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From the 'asylum' link above with my emphasis added:
Round 3: Beverly Crusher (Gates McFadden) vs. Willow (Alyson Hannigan)
Both gingers, both fan favorites. But Willow clearly takes the crown for being adorable, hilarious and having one of the most realistic (and sexiest) lesbian relationships on television. All Crusher ever gave us was that annoying dork Wesley.
...who grew up to be Rachel Maddow.
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With regard to the character of the man, I will be watching Friday's edition of Beck's special on Romney.
Evidently he has done a bit of digging, and the results speak to character.