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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ron on October 24, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/02/obama-campaign-sues-to-restrict-military-voting
Currently, Ohio allows the public to vote early in-person up until the Friday before the election. Members of the military are given three extra days to do so. While the Democrats may see this as "arbitrary" and having "no discernible rational basis," I think it is entirely reasonable given the demands on servicemen and women's time and their obligations. to their sworn duty
Are the three days necessary?
The Romney campaign should have that in a commercial immediately.
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WTF over !!!
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Democrats may see this as "arbitrary" and having "no discernible rational basis,"
Of course they think that. Exactly how many democrat policritters (state or national level) have ever actually served and understand what it is to be military?
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Meh. Classless move by obama and co, but most people busy enough to need extra time are voting absentee anyways. I doubt the optempo is high in Ohio.
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WTF over !!!
Trying their usual antics of obstructing .mil members from voting as they percieve the .mil to vote on the conservative side of things usually. They've played plenty of games of keeping absentee ballots from reaching deployed military members, too...
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i don't see how doing this could possibly help them.
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Trying their usual antics of obstructing .mil members from voting as they percieve the .mil to vote on the conservative side of things usually. They've played plenty of games of keeping absentee ballots from reaching deployed military members, too...
And yet not very much protest here with the Republicans leading the charge on voter ID, designed to limit voting of populations leaning Democrat. Interesting. I await with interest the posts explaining how the situations are very much different, and we should support the Republicans and condemn the Democrats for doing much the same thing.
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And yet not very much protest here with the Republicans leading the charge on voter ID, designed to limit voting of populations leaning Democrat. Interesting. I await with interest the posts explaining how the situations are very much different, and we should support the Republicans and condemn the Democrats for doing much the same thing.
The voter ID thing is to "disenfranchise" illegal aliens, dead people, and traveling multiple voters. (Democrats' key constituents) Do you really not see the difference?
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The state of Ohio changed and is allowing everybody to vote 3 days before the Nov 6.
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The state of Ohio changed and is allowing everybody to vote 3 days before the Nov 6.
That's a good solution right there. Solve the "favoritism" issue without dicking over the .mil folks who may need those extra days.
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And yet not very much protest here with the Republicans leading the charge on voter ID, designed to limit voting of populations leaning Democrat. Interesting. I await with interest the posts explaining how the situations are very much different, and we should support the Republicans and condemn the Democrats for doing much the same thing.
What a fallacious argument!
Correlating a requirement of proof you are eligible to vote with disenfranchising voters is the epitome of stupidity.
In order to prove there has been a disenfranchisement of voters you would have to provide proof (ie ID) that they were eligible to vote. The very thing the laws require.
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The voter ID thing is to "disenfranchise" illegal aliens, dead people, and traveling multiple voters. (Democrats' key constituents) Do you really not see the difference?
I would be ever so interested to see some reputable citations showing the scope of this problem and how voter ID requirements will eliminate it. Can you provide me with such a list from sources without partisan bias? I would like to review them. As an independent, I find it hard to believe that either the Republican or the Democrat machine are the disinterested parties on this issue that they like to portray themselves as. I am fairly certain that both parties have facilitated various types of voter fraud for their own ends.
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Can we start with Minnesota?
BTW, have you ever heard of Jim March and Black Box Voting?
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I would be ever so interested to see some reputable citations showing the scope of this problem and how voter ID requirements will eliminate it. Can you provide me with such a list from sources without partisan bias? I would like to review them. As an independent, I find it hard to believe that either the Republican or the Democrat machine are the disinterested parties on this issue that they like to portray themselves as. I am fairly certain that both parties have facilitated various types of voter fraud for their own ends.
Another fallacious argument.
The civic right to vote is a right that is worth protecting.
I was born in Chicago, raised within a mile of the Cook County/Dupage County border and have lived in the shadow of Chicago all my 48 years.
My grandfather was an old man Daley machine foot soldier, Precinct Captain for years.
Maybe you can BS the hippies in Washington but you can't BS me.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/rick-scott-voter-registration-fraud_n_1951774.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/florida-voter-purge_n_2007304.html
And to further my point as to both sides doing 'interesting' things with voters, the first link pertains to the Republicans and the second to the Democrats. Talk about equal opportunity shenanigans.
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The civic right to vote is a right that is worth protecting.
Thank you. Illegal votes suppress valid ones.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/rick-scott-voter-registration-fraud_n_1951774.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/florida-voter-purge_n_2007304.html
And to further my point as to both sides doing 'interesting' things with voters, the first link pertains to the Republicans and the second to the Democrats. Talk about equal opportunity shenanigans.
Your bob and weave is futile.
Voter ID doesn't discriminate between parties, race or creed.
Show you are a citizen of your State in the USA and you can vote.
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Can we start with Minnesota?
BTW, have you ever heard of Jim March and Black Box Voting?
Wow, I had not until I just Googled it. An interesting quote on the front page of blackboxvoting.org: "Voter fraud" does happen, but not by busloads of alcoholic Mexican noncitizens impersonating legit voters at the polling place, as the urban election legend goes. It's the pros, like political professionals and elections workers that do it. The impersonation takes place with absentee ballots, not polling place votes, and this is a problem that the whole voter ID controversy fails to address. "Identity theft" and "forgery" better describe the real problem.
Perhaps this is what we should focus attention on.
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Your bob and weave is futile.
Voter ID doesn't discriminate between parties, race or creed.
Show you are a citizen of your State in the USA and you can vote.
I actually agree with everything you said. As I have mentioned earlier, I am not opposed to voter ID, as long as the required ID is made free and readily available so that issues of cost and access do not disenfranchise anyone.
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Wow, I had not until I just Googled it. An interesting quote on the front page of blackboxvoting.org: "Voter fraud" does happen, but not by busloads of alcoholic Mexican noncitizens impersonating legit voters at the polling place, as the urban election legend goes. It's the pros, like political professionals and elections workers that do it. The impersonation takes place with absentee ballots, not polling place votes, and this is a problem that the whole voter ID controversy fails to address. "Identity theft" and "forgery" better describe the real problem.
Perhaps this is what we should focus attention on.
Why not focus on both at the same time? Why leave the front door to your house unlocked simply because the burglar uses the back door X times more often? Lock both and stop the burglar at both entrances.
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Of course they think that. Exactly how many democrat policritters (state or national level) have ever actually served and understand what it is to be military?
Murtha, Kerry, Gore...
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Murtha, Kerry, Gore...
*snort* Of Gore's service...
When Gore graduated in 1969, his student deferment ended and he immediately became eligible for the military draft. His father, a vocal anti-Vietnam War critic, was facing a reelection in 1970. Gore eventually decided that the best way he could contribute to the anti-war effort was to enlist in the Army, which would improve his father's reelection prospects.
Although nearly all of his Harvard classmates avoided the draft and service in Vietnam, Gore believed if he found a way around military service, he would be handing an issue to his father's Republican opponent. According to Gore's Senate biography, "He appeared in uniform in his father's campaign commercials, one of which ended with his father advising: 'Son, always love your country.'
Yeah, some seriously selfless service there. ;/
But fine, in the interest of intellectual honesty...
At the beginning of the 112th Congress, there were 118 Members (21.8% of the total membership)
who had served or were serving in the military, 2 fewer than at the end of the 111th Congress, and
8 fewer than in the 110th Congress.39 According to lists compiled by CQ Roll Call, the House
currently has 91 veterans (including 1 female Member, as well as 2 Delegates); the Senate has 25.
These Members served in World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Persian Gulf War,
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Kosovo, as well as during times of peace. Some have served in the
Reserves and the National Guard. Three House Members and two Senators are still serving in the
Reserves, and three House Members and one Senator are still serving in the National Guard. As
noted above, one Senator is a former Secretary of the Navy.
The number of veterans in the 112th Congress reflects the trend of a steady decline in recent
decades in the number of Members who have served in the military. For example, there were 298
veterans (240 Representatives, 58 Senators) in the 96th Congress (1979-1981); and 398 veterans
(329 Representatives, 69 Senators) in the 91st Congress (1969-1971).
Current Senators who have served.
Daniel Akaka (D), Jeff Bingaman (D), Richard Blumenthal (D), Thomas Carper (D), Tom Harkin (D), Daniel Inouye (D), John Kerry (D), Herbert Kohl (D), Frank Lautenberg (D), Bill Nelson (D), Jack Reed (D), James Webb (D)
Scott Brown (R), Dan Coats (R), Thad Cochran (R), Michael Enzi (R), Lindsey Graham (R), James Inhofe (R), Johnny Isakson (R), Mark Kirk (R), Richard Lugar (R), John McCain (R), Pat Roberts (R), Jeff Sessions (R), John Warner (R), Roger Wicker (R)
In the interest of not turning this post into a multi-page affair, I'll leave y'all to dig up the names of the 91 members of the house.
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Another fallacious argument.
The civic right to vote is a right that is worth protecting.
I was born in Chicago, raised within a mile of the Cook County/Dupage County border and have lived in the shadow of Chicago all my 48 years.
My grandfather was an old man Daley machine foot soldier, Precinct Captain for years.
Maybe you can BS the hippies in Washington but you can't BS me.
You do realize Chicago is famous because there, the dead also vote.... >:D >:D
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They keep sowing the seeds.
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The state of Ohio changed and is allowing everybody to vote 3 days before the Nov 6.
i wonder if the early votes will be tallied each day and reported, and if that will change the voting for the following days?
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I actually agree with everything you said. As I have mentioned earlier, I am not opposed to voter ID, as long as the required ID is made free and readily available so that issues of cost and access do not disenfranchise anyone.
why didn't you say that in the first place? Every state voter ID law I have heard of includes provisions for free picture ID. That hasn't stopped Mostly liberal Democrats from trying to stop those laws.
You can also look up ACORN and the organizations they spawned since they close/changed names.
http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html?article=10521449
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/23/voter-fraud-houston-tea-party-truethevote-texas/
This one is about a local Houston group that started with public data.
IMO, most of the fraud is small enough it is unlikely to affect major elections, but a lot of local city/state elections have very low turnout and could easily be swayed by this stuff.
The problem with asking for proof is national media is rarely interested. If you do some searches, there are lots of articles, but most are local and find small pockets of fraud. There have been hints of larger operations such as ACORN. IMO, requiring ID to vote and register is an easy step that could clean up a lot of this and make it more difficult. Personally, I blame motor voter laws that allow 3rd parties to turn in registrations for other people. That opens the door pretty wide for this stuff.
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Of course they think that. Exactly how many democrat policritters (state or national level) have ever actually served and understand what it is to be military?
Murtha, Kerry, Gore...
... Powell :lol:
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Seems some Florida military folks have been purged from the voting rolls. Doesn't look like a huge number but as we know, every vote counts.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article/280780/8/ProtectYourVote-Servicemembers-removed-from-voting-rolls