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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Bob F. on October 24, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
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This ain't going over well in Texas, & probably not a lot of other places. I'd rather have the Mafia monitoring polling places!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1922193690001/
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This ain't going over well in Texas, & probably not a lot of other places. I'd rather have the Mafia monitoring polling places!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1922193690001/
Silly conspiracy theorist, there's no such thing as U.N. personnel involved in American affairs. Move along prole, nothing to see here. :police:
Seriously though, it does raise an eyebrow.
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Please, Lord, send them to SC...along with some SEIU members...
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No,no, no. Send them to Philadelphia, where they can "co-monitor" with the NBPP. The "armed thugs at polling places" vibe should help them feel right at home. We should be hospitable, after all...
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Chicago, of course.
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They will only monitor republican-heavy polling districts
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Cool -- using the UN to intimidate conservative voters, under the guise of "monitoring" polling places.
Black Panthers must have been unavailable this year.
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Cool -- using the UN to intimidate conservative voters, under the guise of "monitoring" polling places.
Black Panthers must have been unavailable this year.
Intimidate? Really?
Heck, I go out in the desert every year around October 24th ("UN Day") with cheap pots from Goodwill and a can of blue spraypaint and practice my 300+ yard headshots.
I pity any UN "authoritahs" that try to intimidate any conservative or libertarian voters. They won't be looked upon kindly.
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If the UN is really getting involved, I'm betting sales of rifles will go up quite a bit....
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I'm signed up to be an election judge. If they show up here, I'll do my darnedest to have them thrown out or arrested.
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I'm sure the pimps are importing from other states as many underage prostitutes as they can to meet the increased demand.
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I'm sure the pimps are importing from other states as many underage prostitutes as they can to meet the increased demand.
Sad truth...
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http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers
Texas says "stay the eff away" to the UN.
It sparks all sorts of egos getting bruised and fur standing on end.
I agree with Texas' stance: The law says that no one is allowed into a polling place for political purposes and must stay 100 feet away unless running the poll or voting themselves. International observers do neither. So stay away 100 feet.
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Please, Lord, send them to SC...
My exact thought. Never happen. SC is awash in republican kool aid guzzlers.
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I suspect that Texas law is easily preempted by the Fed Gov's Constitutional right to make international treaties (as long as the treaty don't violate the Const directly).
Sound and fury, but not actually defensible.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers
Texas says "stay the eff away" to the UN.
It sparks all sorts of egos getting bruised and fur standing on end.
I agree with Texas' stance: The law says that no one is allowed into a polling place for political purposes and must stay 100 feet away unless running the poll or voting themselves. International observers do neither. So stay away 100 feet.
We enforce the distance rule also. On Election Day the area immediately outside the polling place is clear. Then there is an imaginary line across which the area is filled with signs and a usually some campaign volunteers. If you know the general area, it isn't too hard to spot the polling location.
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I suspect that Texas law is easily preempted by the Fed Gov's Constitutional right to make international treaties (as long as the treaty don't violate the Const directly).
Sound and fury, but not actually defensible.
Another commercial that practically writes itself. Forcing the issue would be political suicide in most of the country.
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Wow. Way to play into the stereotypes, folks.
OSCE is not a UN agency.
:facepalm:
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UN affiliate.
Sort of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_Security_and_Co-operation_in_Europe).
The OSCE considers itself a regional organization in the sense of Chapter VIII of the United Nations Charter and is an observer in the United Nations General Assembly. The Chairman-in-Office gives routine briefings to the United Nations Security Council.
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I suspect that Texas law is easily preempted by the Fed Gov's Constitutional right to make international treaties (as long as the treaty don't violate the Const directly).
Sound and fury, but not actually defensible.
If the Gov. forces the issue, methinks some UN pukes are um....gonna trip and fall on some bullets.
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I suspect that Texas law is easily preempted by the Fed Gov's Constitutional right to make international treaties (as long as the treaty don't violate the Const directly).
Sound and fury, but not actually defensible.
Not really.
Technically, ALL our national elections are state elections. That's why some states already have voter ID requirements (mine has required ID since I was first eligible to vote, about 50 years ago) and some don't. Each state gets to set its own criteria. And this is especially true for the presidential election, since we are not actually voting for the president. We are in fact voting for state "electors," who will then go to the electoral college and cast the actual votes for president.
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My first thought when I heard they were going to Concord, NH, was that it was high time for another open carry rally... preferably outside the hotel where the observers are staying.
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I suspect that Texas law is easily preempted by the Fed Gov's Constitutional right to make international treaties (as long as the treaty don't violate the Const directly).
Sound and fury, but not actually defensible.
first you would have to fund the treaty that gives them freedom to violate local elections. It would be difficult to justify that.
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I'm sure the pimps are importing from other states as many underage prostitutes as they can to meet the increased demand.
After checking with their local ACORN office, of course.
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Not really.
Technically, ALL our national elections are state elections. That's why some states already have voter ID requirements (mine has required ID since I was first eligible to vote, about 50 years ago) and some don't. Each state gets to set its own criteria. And this is especially true for the presidential election, since we are not actually voting for the president. We are in fact voting for state "electors," who will then go to the electoral college and cast the actual votes for president.
This.
I'm serving as the Technical Judge (lead judge) at "my" polling place this year. Unless you have pollwatcher credentials or are there to vote, NO ONE may be in the polling place. Period. If the UN were to show up, I'm asking them to leave and failing that, I'm calling the police. And voting will be halted until they leave.
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I just sent Atty Gen Abbott an "atta-boy" letter.
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they sent 44 folks to cover the entire usa. and have been since 2002. what exactly are folks afraid of ?
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they sent 44 folks to cover the entire usa. and have been since 2002. what exactly are folks afraid of ?
Afraid of the UN? :rofl: We're not afraid, just insulted. The U.N. thinks it can help the U.S. conduct free and fair elections? :rofl:
I mean, yeah, we've had our troubles recently, but we're not so bad that the U.N. could actually raise our level of competence.
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not the un sorry i don't care what al jones says. and its a group we belong to voluntarily. they have been coming for 10 years. both here and other member states this is like milking a mouse lots of noise and motion not much result
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Assuming the blue helmets are actually going to do this, I would hope they would focus on Chicago, Philadelphia, and NYC. Just find out where the Black Panthers are going to hang out.
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with less than one person per state they will be spread thin. has texas got the national guard ready?
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Well, at least we will become accustomed to having our national affairs monitored by the "international community."
After all, we need to be sensitive to the needs and desires of a group made up primarily of thugs, dictators, and socialists.
Nothing to see here. The conditioning has been in progress for decades and "nothing bad has happened."
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Come on, Arfin. It will never expand beyond just that handful of observers. Never. Never ever.
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Well, at least we will become accustomed to having our national affairs monitored by the "international community."
After all, we need to be sensitive to the needs and desires of a group made up primarily of thugs, dictators, and socialists.
Nothing to see here. The conditioning has been in progress for decades and "nothing bad has happened."
we chose to join the group. so we could meddle overseas. 44 folks doesn't scare me as much as the texas gov. how many are going to texas? has al jones announced it yet?
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Who is this "we" of which you speak?
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Who is this "we" of which you speak?
did texas secede when i wasn't looking?
we've been in it since 1973 and look at our subversive ambassador http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Finley
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we chose to join the group. so we could meddle overseas. 44 folks doesn't scare me as much as the texas gov. how many are going to texas? has al jones announced it yet?
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Enough of the ad hom. Consider this a shot across the bow. Next one goes in the motor.
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My church is an early voting location. Thus far it has been the busiest in the county. As part of the BOT, we read all the contractual verbiage that goes along with such, to include the voting law requirements. We take pains to comply with them and expect all those involved to do so as well.
We have had trouble with folks in the past. If it with the poll workers, a call to the voting district folks usually settles the issue. Other folks rate a call to 911.
This year, we don't even have to call. We have hired off-duty police folk to help maintain order.
All that said, I don't think any such euro-weenie observer can legally approach any closer than campaign workers. The rules were pretty clear on who can be up and in the poll workers business: pretty much nobody excepting voters & other voting district folks. We even schedule our janitorial staff around the voting times.
All that said, Sarah Hoyt hit the nail on the head:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/155613/
DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS: The Attorney General of Texas Slaps Down the UN. I hear Alabama has also served warning UN observers not welcome. What I wonder is what is wrong with the other states, including mine. Guys, if it’s not clear to you, the UN is in the grip of the thugocracies of the world. It was predictable. There’s more of them than of us. Their hatred of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East is proof of this, if you need it. Why we still fun[d] this naive project is something else. Nostalgia for past illusions?
These people do not like us or America and will use whatever weapon at hand to harm us.
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I think folks need to calm on down some, and maybe read past the wildly inaccurate and deliberately misleading headline.
I hate the UN as much as anyone, but this is an organization that's barely affiliated with them, sending a very small number of people to monitor. No military troops to intimidate voters. ;/ I mean really, are Texans such shrinking violets (and mind readers for that matter) that they'll see some Euro-dude in a suit with a pass on a lanyard around his neck and be able to telepathically glean that it's a UN observer whyo wants them to vote a certain way, and then be intimidated by him? That's the scenario you're worried about here? That's the stupidest disenfranchisement argument since "Voter ID is a poll tax."
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I think folks need to calm on down some, and maybe read past the wildly inaccurate and deliberately misleading headline.
I hate the UN as much as anyone, but this is an organization that's barely affiliated with them, sending a very small number of people to monitor. No military troops to intimidate voters. ;/ I mean really, are Texans such shrinking violets (and mind readers for that matter) that they'll see some Euro-dude in a suit with a pass on a lanyard around his neck and be able to telepathically glean that it's a UN observer whyo wants them to vote a certain way, and then be intimidated by him? That's the scenario you're worried about here? That's the stupidest disenfranchisement argument since "Voter ID is a poll tax."
Aside from maybe a few, I think you and CS&D are reading too much into the posts as well. ;/ I don't think anyone is assuming blue helmeted peacekeepers will be rolling in to take over local elections.
I think the Texas Attorney General was simply making sure they knew that they were not election workers nor monitors and could not assume access to those areas. They are little better than campaign workers who have to keep outside the 100 foot limit. That is fine with me. If they want to put people in to monitor elections, they can, but they need to work with that office to do it all official and legal-like.
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Aside from maybe a few, I think you and CS&D are reading too much into the posts as well. ;/ I don't think anyone is assuming blue helmeted peacekeepers will be rolling in to take over local elections.
I think the Texas Attorney General was simply making sure they knew that they were not election workers nor monitors and could not assume access to those areas. They are little better than campaign workers who have to keep outside the 100 foot limit. That is fine with me. If they want to put people in to monitor elections, they can, but they need to work with that office to do it all official and legal-like.
Anyone aside from the initial headline on the OP, and all the folks talking about voter intimidation, and the folks posting blue helmet targets...
Texas' actions don't seem unreasonable (for Texas anyway) but some of the folks in this thread certainly are.
No,no, no. Send them to Philadelphia, where they can "co-monitor" with the NBPP. The "armed thugs at polling places" vibe should help them feel right at home. We should be hospitable, after all...
Cool -- using the UN to intimidate conservative voters, under the guise of "monitoring" polling places.
Black Panthers must have been unavailable this year.
Intimidate? Really?
Heck, I go out in the desert every year around October 24th ("UN Day") with cheap pots from Goodwill and a can of blue spraypaint and practice my 300+ yard headshots.
I pity any UN "authoritahs" that try to intimidate any conservative or libertarian voters. They won't be looked upon kindly.
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If the UN is really getting involved, I'm betting sales of rifles will go up quite a bit....
If the Gov. forces the issue, methinks some UN pukes are um....gonna trip and fall on some bullets.
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I think the Texas Attorney General was simply making sure they knew that they were not election workers nor monitors and could not assume access to those areas.
i think politicians posture. it doesn't make em look smarter but they feel driven to pander. from both sides of the aisle
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I think the Texas Attorney General was simply making sure they knew that they were not election workers nor monitors and could not assume access to those areas.
i think politicians posture. it doesn't make em look smarter but they feel driven to pander. from both sides of the aisle
Well, he is posturing in accordance with the law and giving the euroweenies fair warning. See, they come from uncivilized places that jail folk for exercising our style of free speech and all. Before you let such folk in, you want to assure them that peeing on the rug is not considered proper behavior.
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Any reports of peeing on the rug the.other 5 elections they were here for?
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Anyone aside from the initial headline on the OP, and all the folks talking about voter intimidation, and the folks posting blue helmet targets...
Texas' actions don't seem unreasonable (for Texas anyway) but some of the folks in this thread certainly are.
If you haven't figured out our resident keyboard-commandos by now.... :laugh:
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Any reports of peeing on the rug the.other 5 elections they were here for?
I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. I wasn't pleased to hear about them being here for past elections. I don't like them any more now, regardless what they do. Well, on second thought, it would be nice if they had applied a little pressure on our AG to prosecute the actual case of voter intimidation that should have been prosecuted. I don't recall hearing anything about that. I guess they're not much use.
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I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. I wasn't pleased to hear about them being here for past elections. I don't like them any more now, regardless what they do. Well, on second thought, it would be nice if they had applied a little pressure on our AG to prosecute the actual case of voter intimidation that should have been prosecuted. I don't recall hearing anything about that. I guess they're not much use.
It depends on whose access to vote is being restricted or intimidated. (why couldn't the state AG's prosecute the NBPP? Because they didn't want to)
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A better response, should you actually see one of these semi-UN Eurotypes at a polling place, might be to point and laugh. Then go in and vote.
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Anyone aside from the initial headline on the OP, and all the folks talking about voter intimidation, and the folks posting blue helmet targets...
Texas' actions don't seem unreasonable (for Texas anyway) but some of the folks in this thread certainly are.
Ayep. This was a non-story. OSCE, which is not part of the UN, wants to send folks to watch elections. Per their own rules and charter, they must comply with local regs. OECD acknowledged that they had and understood the rules, which includes distance restrictions. Because it's common sense that you don't want electioneering near the actual booths, for all kinds of good ideas (security, intimidation, efficiency, prevent voter fraud, etc). So, electioneering must be x feet away and cannot impede traffic. Some desk idiots half away across the world who aren't involved don't understand reality and say "X feet sounds like a lot!" Everyone involved says "No, it does make sense and we're following it." Makes sense to everyone involved, except the Texas AG who apparently wanted to make a name for himself with FUD.
OSCE is sort of like a political NATO. It's not part of the UN. It sends folks to the UN, but so does everyone else in the world. Including NATO. Which will undoubtedly make someone go tinfoil on NATO.
Abbott apparently wanted to make partisan name for himself by alleging the UN or UN affiliated goons wanted to help attack Voter ID statutes. OSCE made it clear that yes, they did meet with Voter ID opponents but they meet with a lot of folks. If pro Voter ID folks want to meet with them, they'll meet them. Basically, a politician flies off the handle on questionable information, folks that support the FUD applaud loudly, everyone rational facepalms at both sides.
But yes, RocketMan is right. If you do see any semi-UN or UN eurotypes, feel free to laugh at them. Then go in and vote.
Mind you, I think I qualify as the person on this board that hates the UN the most from first hand experience with them.
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I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to mock and despise them :P
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I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to mock and despise them :P
Ditto
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I guess they want to observe in Iowa.
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Mind you, I think I qualify as the person on this board that hates the UN the most from first hand experience with them.
Dunno, Rev. My paid government "vacation" monitoring mass graves in Bosnia doesn't exactly endear me to the UN, either...
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Completely off topic, but Gewehr98, your avatar is completely mesmerizing...
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Completely off topic, but Gewehr98, your avatar is completely mesmerizing...
Yup, little dude gets plenty of fiber.
Chris
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Some of this also makes me wonder just how much support the UN actually has in this country. A lot of people hate them passionately, but how many still think it is a useful or a good organization?
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Completely off topic, but Gewehr98, your avatar is completely mesmerizing...
Are the acrobatics really necessary? [tinfoil]
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Dunno, Rev. My paid government "vacation" monitoring mass graves in Bosnia doesn't exactly endear me to the UN, either...
Yea, I was in the same neck of the woods. Sigh. Fun times.
Some of this also makes me wonder just how much support the UN actually has in this country. A lot of people hate them passionately, but how many still think it is a useful or a good organization?
Eh, there are fuzzy wuzzy idealistic types that support a true one world government under the UN. Pretty rare, and most of those types lack the ruthlessness to actually change anything meaningful. How many of them have worked in the Peace Corps or similar venues, changing little to nothing strategically?
So, sure, plenty of folks think the UN is vaguely a useful or good organization. And parts of it are. World Health Organization, International Civil Aviation Organization, International Telecommunication Union, etc have all done pretty good things. Plenty of BAD things as well, I don't disagree. But general sweeping statements are never accurate.
;)
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/state-dept-texas-cant-arrest-international-election-observers/article/2511845
“I’m not going to get into any kind of hypothetical situations or predict where this is going to go other than to say we have every expectation that this will be worked out and to state the fact, which is that under U.S. law they are eligible for immunities,” said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. Reporters tried to get her to state explicitly that Texas could not arrest election observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), but Nuland would only reiterate that OSCE observers have full immunity.
Hrmm. If they're a private organization, just how the hell do they get to claim diplomatic immunity?
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Here is a riddle for you since we are discussing the UN. If so many are opposed to world government then why do so many politicos and their adherents in the general population dismiss the idea of America breaking apart into its constituent secessionist parts like the USSR in 1989-91? If bigger is truly better would it not be logical to apprehend that those who wish for the US to be unitary should be just as sympathetic to world government?
Food for thought.
BTW, I despise the UN but think there is enough tomfoolery in US elections to warrant international observation.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/state-dept-texas-cant-arrest-international-election-observers/article/2511845
Hrmm. If they're a private organization, just how the hell do they get to claim diplomatic immunity?
Any country can grant diplomatic immunity to anyone they choose. They generally don't, for obvious reasons.
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Here is a riddle for you since we are discussing the UN. If so many are opposed to world government then why do so many politicos and their adherents in the general population dismiss the idea of America breaking apart into its constituent secessionist parts like the USSR in 1989-91? If bigger is truly better would it not be logical to apprehend that those who wish for the US to be unitary should be just as sympathetic to world government?
Food for thought.
<sarc>"But, but, we're different"</sarc>
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Here is a riddle for you since we are discussing the UN. If so many are opposed to world government then why do so many politicos and their adherents in the general population dismiss the idea of America breaking apart into its constituent secessionist parts like the USSR in 1989-91? If bigger is truly better would it not be logical to apprehend that those who wish for the US to be unitary should be just as sympathetic to world government?
Food for thought.
BTW, I despise the UN but think there is enough tomfoolery in US elections to warrant international observation.
You really think an organization composed of a menagerie of tinpot dictators can keep us honest if we can't do it by ourselves? :O
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You really think an organization composed of a menagerie of tinpot dictators can keep us honest if we can't do it by ourselves? :O
Except this entity is not part of the UN.
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Here is a riddle for you since we are discussing the UN. If so many are opposed to world government then why do so many politicos and their adherents in the general population dismiss the idea of America breaking apart into its constituent secessionist parts like the USSR in 1989-91? If bigger is truly better would it not be logical to apprehend that those who wish for the US to be unitary should be just as sympathetic to world government?
But... but... 'Muhrica! 9-11! The towers! Didn't you see them towers? U-S-A! U-S-A!
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At what point of granularity does your analogy stop lysander? Unless you're at full on anarchist, any form of .gov meets the criteria you're applying there.
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Except this entity is not part of the UN.
Is it associated with the U.N.?
If not what do blue helmets have to do with the price of Perch in Peoria-- or this thread?
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Is it associated with the U.N.?
If not what do blue helmets have to do with the price of Perch in Peoria-- or this thread?
See reply #18.
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At what point of granularity does your analogy stop lysander? Unless you're at full on anarchist, any form of .gov meets the criteria you're applying there.
Balog,
I am an individualist anarchist so your observation is correct. I employ the term abolitionist to more precisely define my sentiments.
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Not this stuff again.
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Is it associated with the U.N.?
If not what do blue helmets have to do with the price of Perch in Peoria-- or this thread?
Like WHO and other directly sponsored agencies?
No.
It is independent. But they meet with the UN.
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Eh, there are fuzzy wuzzy idealistic types that support a true one world government under the UN. Pretty rare, and most of those types lack the ruthlessness to actually change anything meaningful.
Not sure how rare....ever been to a STAR TREK convention?....
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Like WHO and other directly sponsored agencies?
No.
It is independent. But they meet with the UN.
That's good enough for me -- they keep bad company. Shame shame....
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How come we can't do an indelible ink finger (purple finger) when voting like in other countries where we try to encourage /assist fair elections? it would certainly prevent voting twice, and combined with voter ID, effectively eliminate the most common voting issues (intelligible voters through ID, multi-location voters with the ink)
Also, we try to do ID in other countries when we help, why is it wrong here? All the normal arguments (too hard to get, cost, etc) go out the window when you look at where we do it?
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we try to do ID in other countries when we help, why is it wrong here?
It's racist! :lol:
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But but, it got that way when I was water coloring this morning!
Though then again, voting with finger paint would be appropriate for most of the modern electorate.
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But but, it got that way when I was water coloring this morning!
Though then again, voting with finger paint would be appropriate for most of the modern electorate.
I believe you are correct, lupinus. Sad...
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How come we can't do an indelible ink finger (purple finger) when voting like in other countries where we try to encourage /assist fair elections? it would certainly prevent voting twice, and combined with voter ID, effectively eliminate the most common voting issues (intelligible voters through ID, multi-location voters with the ink)
Also, we try to do ID in other countries when we help, why is it wrong here? All the normal arguments (too hard to get, cost, etc) go out the window when you look at where we do it?
Because it's a racist attempt to deny someone their rights to require them to procure an ID when exercising that right....
and that's why the left demands it be done when buying a gun.
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How come we can't do an indelible ink finger (purple finger) when voting like in other countries where we try to encourage /assist fair elections? it would certainly prevent voting twice, and combined with voter ID, effectively eliminate the most common voting issues (intelligible voters through ID, multi-location voters with the ink)
Also, we try to do ID in other countries when we help, why is it wrong here? All the normal arguments (too hard to get, cost, etc) go out the window when you look at where we do it?
Then the MSM will run all these stories about gangs of masked Republicans grabbing black people off the street, painting their fingers purple...
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Then the MSM will run all these stories about gangs of masked Republicans grabbing black people off the street, painting their fingers purple...
That's how I spend my Friday nights.
Chris
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Because it's a racist attempt to deny someone their rights to require them to procure an ID when exercising that right....
and that's why the left demands it be done when buying a gun.
Oh the mental gymnastics used to explain that one away...
Eventually the discussion comes around to "Republicans only want it because it will keep likely Democrat voters from voting".
Chris
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Oh the mental gymnastics used to explain that one away...
Eventually the discussion comes around to "Republicans only want it because it will keep likely Democrat voters from voting".
Chris
I don't delude myself in thinking that Republicans are leading these efforts because they think it will result in more Republicans voting.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/state-dept-texas-cant-arrest-international-election-observers/article/2511845
Hrmm. If they're a private organization, just how the hell do they get to claim diplomatic immunity?
That they are pushing back like that tells me there might actually be a reason to keep them out.
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I don't delude myself in thinking that Republicans are leading these efforts because they think it will result in more Republicans voting.
I don't either and frankly I don't care. You must be a citizen to participate in our govt. I see no fault with asking people to prove citizenship. You're asked to provide ID on a regular basis for so many things, it's ludicrous to think that requiring ID is somehow onerous.
Chris
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Oh the mental gymnastics used to explain that one away...
Eventually the discussion comes around to "Republicans only want it because it will keep likely Democrat voters from voting".
Chris
That's certainly why I want it. Not every Democrat voter is a legal Democrat voter.
I don't either and frankly I don't care. You must be a citizen to participate in our govt. I see no fault with asking people to prove citizenship. You're asked to provide ID on a regular basis for so many things, it's ludicrous to think that requiring ID is somehow onerous.
Chris
Hate speech!
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Balog,
I am an individualist anarchist so your observation is correct. I employ the term abolitionist to more precisely define my sentiments.
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I don't delude myself in thinking that Republicans are leading these efforts because they think it will result in more Republicans voting.
Just trying to keep the margin of fraud minimized.
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That's certainly why I want it. Not every Democrat voter is a legal Democrat voter.
The party they vote for is immaterial. Making it a party issue forces the other side to respond negatively. Any illegal voter, regardless of who they're voting for, should be blocked.
Chris
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The party they vote for is immaterial. Making it a party issue forces the other side to respond negatively. Any illegal voter, regardless of who they're voting for, should be blocked.
Chris
Plus eleventy.
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Just trying to keep the margin of fraud minimized.
That is really my goal. Just some reasonable things to help prevent fraud.
IMO, the next step or an alternate step is to change the way we register voters. Currently, we allow 3rd parties help fill out the cards with limited oversight. I think that needs to change. I know people want everyone to vote, but I think if people are not motivated enough to get themselves registered, they shouldn't be able to vote.
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Here in Washington, potential jurors are chosen from the rolls of registered voters. I noticed a real drop in the quality of jurors once we went to 'motor voter' registration in which getting a drivers license also registered you to vote. Prior to this, you had to have enough civic responsibility and motivation to actually go and register to vote in person. As I like to say, the same people you see out driving will be the same people that sit on your jury.
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That is really my goal. Just some reasonable things to help prevent fraud.
IMO, the next step or an alternate step is to change the way we register voters. Currently, we allow 3rd parties help fill out the cards with limited oversight. I think that needs to change. I know people want everyone to vote, but I think if people are not motivated enough to get themselves registered, they shouldn't be able to vote.
When the politicians start an effort to put a stop to shennanigans like people being "assisted" in voting, boxes of absentee ballots being "found" and so forth, then I'll believe there is a real effort to combat voter fraud.
Not that I'm holding my breath or anything...
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Just trying to keep the margin of fraud minimized.
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Those are hooligans, not true anarcaps.
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Those are hooligans, not true anarcaps.
Is that the "The USSR isn't really a Communist country!" argument repackaged?
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Those are hooligans, not true anarcaps.
Yes, but are they True Scotsmen?