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Title: Fire and forget rifle.
Post by: Fly320s on November 29, 2012, 08:23:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvbyAcYjzlc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It is a self-adjusting scope for conventional rifles and ammunition.  The shooter designates the target through the scope, the scope calculates the needed hold, the rifle fires when the shooter aligns the firing solution with the designated target. Pretty neat.
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Post by: vaskidmark on November 29, 2012, 08:39:37 AM
Just over a month to see what the MSRP is.

I want it, and won't even insist on a pair of moccasins as a deal sweetener.

stay safe.
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Post by: brimic on November 29, 2012, 08:49:02 AM
I think Burris makes something like that already.
http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html
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Post by: Tallpine on November 29, 2012, 08:56:22 AM
Will it gut and skin your deer for you  ???
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Post by: AmbulanceDriver on November 29, 2012, 09:25:39 AM
I wonder how it will work for:

A) Moving targets
B) Wind
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Post by: Ben on November 29, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
That's pretty cool, but I sadly have to agree with the likely truth of the first comment to the video:

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I wonder how long it'll take the BATF to ban this... Probably in the range of 87 minutes
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Post by: brimic on November 29, 2012, 10:13:46 AM
oops :facepalm:
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Post by: Perd Hapley on November 29, 2012, 10:35:21 AM
Will it gut and skin your deer for you  ???

Will it co-witness with my iron sights?
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Post by: Tallpine on November 29, 2012, 10:40:05 AM
I have seriously wondered about some sort of gyroscopic dampening device  =|
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Post by: zahc on November 29, 2012, 11:07:33 AM
They used to have (maybe still do) gyroscope dampers for cameras, so that you can hand-hold a camera from an airplane or something and still get steady images. If you can find one, they have a convenient 1/4" tripod thread; I'm sure you could rig something up for a gun.

The auto-firing thing sounds like a real safety problem, not to mention the legalities. I'm very hesitant to allow electronics into guns, not for technical reasons but for legal reasons. I saw what happened to paintball when the electronic markers caught on. The definition of 'semi-auto' became very very grey, to say the least. An electronic trigger implies a switch. Everyone knows that switches bounce and need either electrical or software debouncing. The implementation of that algorithm leaves a whole lot to interpretation. Software is capable of detecting and queuing every switch bounce, and waiting until the action is ready to fire again and then immediately doing so as long as there is a trigger pull in the queue. It's very common in paintball software to do just that. Will the BATF consider each switch bounce 'a trigger activation'? Even with mechanical guns, there is always a delay between the trigger actuation and the firing of the gun. What happens when we can make that delay as long as we want via software?
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Post by: Tallpine on November 29, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
They used to have (maybe still do) gyroscope dampers for cameras, so that you can hand-hold a camera from an airplane or something and still get steady images. If you can find one, they have a convenient 1/4" tripod thread; I'm sure you could rig something up for a gun.

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Quite a bit of mass difference between a rifle and a camera.  =|


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Everyone knows that switches bounce and need either electrical or software debouncing.

I doubt that quite everyone knows that  ;)

I'm not an EE but I happen to know that from working on controls software.
Title: Re: Fire and forget rifle.
Post by: zahc on November 29, 2012, 01:03:27 PM
Quite a bit of mass difference between a rifle and a camera.  =|

Maybe between a rifle and a modern wimpy miniature digital camera. The one I saw was on a Pentax 6x7 with a 70mm roll film back. With a big lens, I'm sure it weighed 6+ pounds.
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Post by: Tallpine on November 29, 2012, 01:19:38 PM
Maybe between a rifle and a modern wimpy miniature digital camera. The one I saw was on a Pentax 6x7 with a 70mm roll film back. With a big lens, I'm sure it weighed 6+ pounds.

Okay  =)

An adapter to mount on a front sling post  ???   =|
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Post by: zahc on November 29, 2012, 02:43:27 PM
Well there's always this:

http://www.bushhawk.com/

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Post by: kgbsquirrel on November 30, 2012, 03:31:57 PM
Any electrically actuated firearm is declared a machine gun by the ATF. *expletive deleted*ing fascist twits.
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Post by: dogmush on November 30, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
Any electrically actuated firearm is declared a machine gun by the ATF. *expletive deleted* fascist twits.

I thought that as well, but given as how this is a bolt action rifle, I might deliver one to the tech branch and ask them to get it to fire two rounds on one pull.  (I'm assuming the manufacturer has some kind of disconnect built in)
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Post by: Fly320s on November 30, 2012, 05:20:45 PM
Whatever happened to that hunting ranch in TX that wanted to allow people to hunt via an internet connection?
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Post by: MechAg94 on December 01, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
I didn't think this scope fired the gun, but just told you when you were on.  I was wondering if this thing had some sort of heart beat stabilization.  Also, It would seem to me that you would need to load up a batch foe ammo identically for powder and bullet weight and then somehow teach the scope the right trajectory for that ammo batch.  Maybe I am missing something.  Any thoughts?
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Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 01, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
I thought that as well, but given as how this is a bolt action rifle, I might deliver one to the tech branch and ask them to get it to fire two rounds on one pull.  (I'm assuming the manufacturer has some kind of disconnect built in)

Knowing some of the BS they've pulled in the testing office before I wouldn't be surprised if "managed to get it to fire two rounds" was interpreted as "lets add an additional armature and servos to operate the bolt handle and then rebuild the whole system so it pulls the trigger again despite not being originally built to be able to and then charge an innocent citizen with manufacturing a machine gun."

(Just a little bit bitter. Just a little.)
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Post by: freakazoid on December 02, 2012, 11:59:45 AM
I thought I remember seeing an article somewhere about something like that built for the Barret .50 cals. It didn't fire automatically though.
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Post by: kgbsquirrel on December 02, 2012, 12:49:56 PM
I will say that as a stand alone unit, a quality optic combined with a laser range finder, barometer, thermometer and hygrometer would be sweet. Zero the scope like normal at a known distance/elevation/temperature/humidity and program those variables into the ballistic calculation system. Now when out in the field, point your crosshairs at your target, hit a button for determining the range, then have the system automatically calculate the drop based on all the above instruments, and then have it adjust adjust an overlaid second reticle to exact correct elevation point.
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Post by: Fly320s on December 02, 2012, 05:38:45 PM
I thought I remember seeing an article somewhere about something like that built for the Barret .50 cals. It didn't fire automatically though.

Barret has the BORS scope. Similar to this, but it only calculates the drop.
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Post by: sanglant on December 03, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
Knowing some of the BS they've pulled in the testing office before I wouldn't be surprised if "managed to get it to fire two rounds" was interpreted as "lets add an additional armature and servos to operate the bolt handle and then rebuild the whole system so it pulls the trigger again despite not being originally built to be able to and then charge an innocent citizen with manufacturing a machine gun."

(Just a little bit bitter. Just a little.)
or just say it did and not release the test methods. [tinfoil]
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Post by: Jamie B on December 04, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
"Just set it, and forget it!"

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Post by: HankB on December 04, 2012, 08:45:03 AM
Any electrically actuated firearm is declared a machine gun by the ATF.
Not yet they haven't . . . if you know otherwise, please direct me to the ATF's determination that the Remington Model 700 E-tronix is now considered to be a machine gun.
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Post by: birdman on December 04, 2012, 09:32:30 AM
I have seriously wondered about some sort of gyroscopic dampening device  =|

I've already been working on it :)
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Post by: Fly320s on January 10, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
Update.

Here is a better description of that rifle system. The manufacturer is at the CES in Vegas.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/