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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on December 28, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
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http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/
Kinda funny how the GM vehicle group isn't warning people off of E15, despite Ford, BMW, Honda and many others.
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Gorramit! SON OF A BITCH EPA BASTARDS
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Luckily my truck is flex fuel. I use that as my excuse to park in any "alternative fuel vehicle" spots I see.
I think the wife's flex won't take anything more than E10 though, not sure, ill hafta look.
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I don't even use E10 if I can help it. There are a couple local stations that sell ethanol free fuel, I buy it from them.
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I don't even use E10 if I can help it. There are a couple local stations that sell ethanol free fuel, I buy it from them.
Same here. However, in my town during the winter months 10% is mandatory at all levels. I have to go out of town for ethanol free. In the summer it is only in premium fuel.
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Crap! None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*it. Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.
I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.
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Crap! None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*. Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.
I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.
For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.
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The produces of fuel ethanol have BOUGHT both state and Federal legislatures to mandate dilution of our fuel, and the Obama administration LOVES it as it helps diminish America. :mad: :mad: :mad:
The liars claim that there's only a 3% fuel economy penalty with 10% dilution . . .
Nope.
In testing by myself and colleagues, the mileage penalty is 2 - 4 times greater.
%$#@! liars.
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Crap! None of my vehicles are rated for E10, let alone that E15 *expletive deleted*. Going to have to be real careful where I fill up the pickup from now on.
I'd burned the rings/piston on a riding mower, string trimmer and chainsaw on E10, before finding the one station within 50 miles that sells straight gas.
I haven't had problems like that, but I have replaced plenty of fuel lines, fuel filters, and rebuilt carbs due to ethanol eating the rubber, seals, and gumming them up.
Haven't had any problems in our vehicles from 10% ethanol but I suspect that is due to frequent cycling of the fuel through them since we drive them most every day.
Sounds like some of your issues may be from fuel with a lot more than 10% ethanol in it due to a supplier screwup.
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The closest place for me to buy non-ethanol gas is about 12 miles away. I usually fill 3 5 gallon cans and my pickup when I go. I use the pure gas in all my small engine stuff and if I have to put E10 in anything else I add Sta-bil ethanol treatment.
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I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?
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I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?
Can't speak to your area but around here it varies wildly. One Cenex station but not the others has it sometimes. One indy Conoco station does, and randomly other stations do on no pattern I can discerne.
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Every time I see someone touting E15, I get the urge to burn down Iowa.... :mad:
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I haven't seen a non-ethanol station for several years. What brand (or non-brand) should I be looking for?
A quick google came up with this site:
http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp
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E10 has been hell on the boating industry, and I'd argue it's possibly contributory to several deaths.
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Every time I see someone touting E15, I get the urge to burn down Iowa.... :mad:
I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.
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I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.
I just gave him fair warning..... ;/
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I think Charby might get a bit upset with you if you did that.
Then how about South Dakota? I saw ethanol production facilities there.
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Then how about South Dakota? I saw ethanol production facilities there.
So is Harley-Davidson & Sturgis.....don't really want to get on the bikers' bad side....
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So is Harley-Davidson & Sturgis.....don't really want to get on the bikers' bad side....
Iowa it is then !!!
I'm in Illinois, there's nowhere here that you can find pure gas anymore. Everything is E10. And yeah E15 will kill your vehicle.
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It is pretty much a given that you cannot consistently find pure gas anywhere in Western Washington. The refineries up in Anacortes, Cherry Point and Tacoma add ethanol to all of the gas. There are some stations in Central and Eastern Washington that get pure gasoline from refineries/jobbers in Wyoming and Montana. I have not yet seen E-15 in this area.
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E10 has been hell on the boating industry, and I'd argue it's possibly contributory to several deaths.
Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues
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Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues
Not sure what it does to plane engines. It has caused a number of boat fires. No idea what the actual numbers might be, but when it eats up seals and through older gas tanks 50 miles off shore there might not be a boat left to inspect.
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Its also been very troublesome in general aviation. Ive got a mogas STC for my Cessna but 10% ethanol not to mention 15% is unusable due to various issues
I've heard E-gas is banned by the FAA for general aviation.
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Not sure what it does to plane engines. It has caused a number of boat fires. No idea what the actual numbers might be, but when it eats up seals and through older gas tanks 50 miles off shore there might not be a boat left to inspect.
For my example my D model 182 has fuel bladders that it would eat like candy...not to mention the rest of the fuel delivery system, carb and so forth.
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For my example my D model 182 has fuel bladders that it would eat like candy...not to mention the rest of the fuel delivery system, carb and so forth.
True. Similar problems for boats. I know more then a few guys with brand new fuel tanks because of it.
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For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.
That is a awesome idea.
I have a small fleet of minibikes and gokarts and I'm getting sick of draining the tank and cleaning the carb after one sits for a couple months.
A few years ago I would regularly let gas sit for 6+ months and I didn't have all the problems I constantly have now.
Now it seems everywhere sells blended gas and if I crack open a tank thats been sitting for a while it's like it's filled with nasty water and not gas.
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Just tanked up last night in Monroe, WI. E-85 was $2.85/gallon. Monroe has the big distillery and prices are cheapest at the source.
Love my flex-fuel truck, and I've been thinking about getting a free fuel distiller's license from the Gubmint.
I got a couple 50lb bags of corn from my neighbor, who has a corn stove.
That's right, a stove that burns corn to keep the house warm. Not corn cobs, not corn husks, but plain corn kernels. It burns clean with minimal ash, and is a favorite around these parts.
One bag's going to my dad to feed the squirrels at his wildlife menagerie, the other's getting converted once my license gets signed off.
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We filled the wife's Mustang with E10 for $2.85 this morning.
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We filled the wife's Mustang with E10 for $2.85 this morning.
E10 (our only choice) in Northern VA is $3.19-$3.3x.
Chris
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For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.
That 5% by weight or by volume?
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It's getting pretty bad when adding water to your gas actually improves it ;/
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That is a awesome idea.
I have a small fleet of minibikes and gokarts and I'm getting sick of draining the tank and cleaning the carb after one sits for a couple months.
A few years ago I would regularly let gas sit for 6+ months and I didn't have all the problems I constantly have now.
Now it seems everywhere sells blended gas and if I crack open a tank thats been sitting for a while it's like it's filled with nasty water and not gas.
Using phase seperation does work to remove EtOH but doing so will reduce the octane rating. If you started with 87 you'll wind up with about 84.
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. . . I've been thinking about getting a free fuel distiller's license from the Gubmint.
How do they ensure you're distilling fuel and not making moonshine? ???
I've been watching the show Moonshiners on the Discovery Channel (Yeah, yeah, I KNOW they're actors on camera and aren't really making moonshine and thumbing their noses at the alcohol people and the IRS) but it seems to me a "free" distiller's license for fuel would have to come with a whole bundle of strings attached.
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[tinfoil]
With all the crap they've foist on us from the cash for clunkers scam that removed 10s of thousands of serviceable used vehicles from not only the vehicle market but also the used parts market. To forcing a fuel onto the market that is known to be damaging to older vehicles is enough to make a fellow wonder what the true agenda is all about?
/ [tinfoil]
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With all the crap they've foist on us from the cash for clunkers scam that removed 10s of thousands of serviceable used vehicles from not only the vehicle market but also the used parts market. To forcing a fuel onto the market that is known to be damaging to older vehicles is enough to make a fellow wonder what the true agenda is all about?
Well they do have to boost sales of GM in order to make the bailout look good.
Off topic a bit.
When .gov gives you lemons, make lemonade.
I have a friend who posts here occasionally, but mostly lurks, who put together a fuel injection system for his '73 Olds drag racing car and tuned it so he could run E85- because its much cheaper to run than the specialty racing fuel that the car normally has to be run on since the E85 has roughly the same octane rating.
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Same reason I've considered converting my Shovelhead Harley FXR to E85.
105 octane and high compression are a match made in heaven.
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For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.
I use too much gasoline per month to make phase separation viable. Instead, I go to a station about 25 miles from here that still sells straight gasoline. He's said he'll continue selling straight gas until the .gov forces him to start mixing.
My brother (a diesel mechanic) suggested using Fuel Medic ( http://fuelmedics.com/ ), the local Husqvarna repair shop suggested Star Tron ( http://mystarbrite.com/startron/ ). No personal experience with either one.
ETA: Heard/read somewhere (old-timers kickin' in - probably Amer. Motorcyclist Mag.) the other day that a Calif. CARB official said E15 isn't likely in CA. for 5 years or so.
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For low volume on a trimmer or chainsaw, it might be worth it to remove the ethanol through phase separation. Add about 5% water to the gas, shake the can, let it sit overnight, and pour off the gas leaving the water/ethanol mix at the bottom.
Wait wait wait.
So you're telling me that when I buy gas, I can preform a simple solubility separation, and end up with both gasoline that is better for my car, and water that contains ethanol alcohol?
So... uhh... Is there anything that denatures the alcohol which is also water soluble.?... :lol:
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Yes. The ethanol distilleries denature their E100 prior to it getting mixed with gasoline to make E10/E15/E85.
I learned that while getting a tour of the distillery in Monroe, WI.
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Wait wait wait.
So you're telling me that when I buy gas, I can preform a simple solubility separation, and end up with both gasoline that is better for my car, and water that contains ethanol alcohol?
So... uhh... Is there anything that denatures the alcohol which is also water soluble.?... :lol:
Provided your car likes 84-ish octane.
You might need to add an octane booster.
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There's a station a few miles from here that sells no-ethanol gas. I don't bother for my car, but I do fill up the gas can for the mower there.
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Website that is like gas buddy, but for non-ethanol gas.
http://pure-gas.org/ (http://pure-gas.org/)
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Website that is like gas buddy, but for non-ethanol gas.
http://pure-gas.org/ (http://pure-gas.org/)
No NoVA pure-gas stations at all. I haz a sad.
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Yup, but not unexpected.
Chris
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Closest one to me is 37 miles away in Joliet, IL
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No NoVA pure-gas stations at all. I haz a sad.
bristol is close
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I use too much gasoline per month to make phase separation viable. Instead, I go to a station about 25 miles from here that still sells straight gasoline. He's said he'll continue selling straight gas until the .gov forces him to start mixing.
Well, uh, he doesn't have much of a choice on the mixing part given it's done at the refinery, not on a retail-pump basis. It's blended at the refinery based on regulatory and seasonal requirements.
Brad
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bristol is close
Ummm, actually, you can't GET much further and still be in the state of VA.
D'you mean Bristow? Yeah, that's not too gawdawful far, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to drive 30+ miles to get pure gas.
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bristol is close
6hrs west.
Chris
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There are 3 Conoco/76 stations that I frequently go by that advertise non-ethanol gas. Apparently there is one refinery in Bellingham that still supplies E0.
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6hrs west.
Chris
oops was thinking bristow sorry
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Well, uh, he doesn't have much of a choice on the mixing part given it's done at the refinery, not on a retail-pump basis. It's blended at the refinery based on regulatory and seasonal requirements.
Brad
Not in Iowa, when a filling station has 89 octane gas delivered (E10 in Iowa), the fuel truck goes to the fuel depot to fill thier bulks, on the E10 the tank is 90% filled, so lets say 900 galloons to make it easy and on the way to the fule delivery site the truck stops buy a ehthanol depot and gets the 10% there. The fuel mixes on route on the truck.
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Not in Iowa, when a filling station has 89 octane gas delivered (E10 in Iowa), the fuel truck goes to the fuel depot to fill thier bulks, on the E10 the tank is 90% filled, so lets say 900 galloons to make it easy and on the way to the fule delivery site the truck stops buy a ehthanol depot and gets the 10% there. The fuel mixes on route on the truck.
That's pretty much how I understand it's done around here too.
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Question is, can the retailer request a non-oxygenated blend or is the distributor required by law to blend it regardless? Quite honestly I wouldn't trust the retailer's answer. I'd wager that most of them aren't even close to up to speed on the legalities of the fuel they sell and just trust that when they say "regular" they think it means. Heck, for at least a decade after unleaded was completely and totally gone at the pump, I regularly heard people say their fuel was the "old good stuff" just because the distribution salespeople and the pump labels still used "Regular" to describe the lowest octane blend.
Actually, a better source of info would be the regulatory agency in your state. They should know off the top of their head if oxygenated fuels are mandated, either statewide or by specific area. They may even have it on their web site for quick reference.
Brad
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Screw it all. I want a Mr Fusion.
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Screw it all. I want a Mr Fusion.
You can't have it, it's mine. So there.
Brad
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Not wanting to inadvertently put E15 into my car, I looked around to see if there were any labeling requirements for gas pumps that pump E15. Here in WI, at least, gas stations are required to label E15 pumps with an orange and black sticker: http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/am/AM502.pdf.
I presume most states will require labeling E15 pumps. Is the orange and black sticker the standard, or unique to Wisconsin?