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Title: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
I dunno, I think the circumstances of the attack, and how the administration initially labelled it, make a big difference.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/23/clinton-denies-delay-in-benghazi-response-despite-accounts/
Title: Re: Clinton
Post by: TommyGunn on January 23, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
:facepalm:

I wonder if George A. Custer would have come up with a more imaginative excuse had he survived that unpleasantness at the Little Bighorn?


Prettier, too:
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: SADShooter on January 23, 2013, 12:37:22 PM
Thinking about this this morning. The greatest destructive force we face isn't leftist ideology. It's apathy. You can fight an idea with a better idea, but how do you overcome indifference?
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on January 23, 2013, 12:55:23 PM
"Well, I guess the difference it makes is how many people we throw into Leavenworth and for how many decades....  And how many piles of big rocks we make them turn into little rocks...."
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 23, 2013, 01:02:45 PM
Thinking about this this morning. The greatest destructive force we face isn't leftist ideology. It's apathy. You can fight an idea with a better idea, but how do you overcome indifference?


 I do believe the monsignor's finally got the point.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: sanglant on January 23, 2013, 02:04:32 PM
Thinking about this this morning. The greatest destructive force we face isn't leftist ideology. It's apathy. You can fight an idea with a better idea, but how do you overcome indifference?
hunger, and it's heading this way. fast. =(
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: roo_ster on January 23, 2013, 02:25:46 PM
I suspect part of the problem is that Benghazi could be titled, "Fast and Furious II: Jihadi Boogaloo" due to the great likelihood that we provided arms to the jihadis who killed our men.

Also, Rand Paul is going after her with some vigor:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/23/rand-paul-to-hillary-lets-face-it-you-should-have-been-fired-over-benghazi/
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Blakenzy on January 23, 2013, 02:29:13 PM
hunger, and it's heading this way. fast. =(

Hence the concerted effort to legally slip into an overt police state while the getting is good. Unrestrained surveillance, disarmament, sweeping emergency powers for the executive. You think preppers are the only ones preparing?

I suspect part of the problem is that Benghazi could be titled, "Fast and Furious II: Jihadi Boogaloo" due to the great likelihood that we provided arms to the jihadis who killed our men.

Libya was a US-NATO-Gulf States combined op, with the White House "leading from behind" of course. The US Government knowingly assisted, aided and abetted factions known to be related to Al Qaeda. For all the lives, time and money wasted on the "War on Terror", Libya shows what a sham all that was.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on January 23, 2013, 02:30:40 PM


Also, Rand Paul is going after her with some vigor:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/23/rand-paul-to-hillary-lets-face-it-you-should-have-been-fired-over-benghazi/


Rand is going to lose a some clout over that attack.

Clinton will eat him alive.  Seasoned with capers.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: griz on January 23, 2013, 03:33:07 PM
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"What difference, at this point, does it make?"

She has already testified that the State Dept will essentially mindlessly puppet whatever list of talking points is handed to them.  So the difference it makes is to determine who handed them the talking points, in other words, who is running the show.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Blakenzy on January 23, 2013, 03:37:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NY6Iz6V1XA
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: T.O.M. on January 23, 2013, 04:03:18 PM
I work with "average Americans" every day, as they pass through court as parties, witnesses, attorneys, cops, etc.  While I find that attorneys in general are more politically aware than the general public, in part because of the job, I must say that SADshooter is dead on.  Every day, I hear conversations about America's Got Dancing Talent, or what Rachel Ray cooked on her show, or any dozens of things ranging from the Kardashians to Lyndsey Lohan, and every celebrity in between.  Yet, if I mention "Fast and Furious" to most attorneys and staff, I get comments about the film, not the border debacle.  Bring up politics, and the comments are invariably "I'm sick of politics," or "Who cares?"  It's all about when the next sale is at the mall, what's on television, or what someone posted on Facebook.  Jury pools are in many ways getting to be easier to seat, because once the initial uproar over a crime has died down, most people don't know what's going on, so it's easy to find jurors who know nothing of a case.  And, many of those in power take advantage of the apathy to get and maintain their power (elections based on name recognition or party affiliation, as opposed to qualifications), and then use the power to achieve their goals.  Look at some of the amendments that get attached to bills.  The big bill gets the headline, while the devil in the details slips right on by, unnoticed.

The question that begs to be answered...how do you make people care about their freedoms, when all they really care about is what happened on The Voice last night...
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 23, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
The question that begs to be answered...how do you make people care about their freedoms, when all they really care about is what happened on The Voice last night...

Easy.  Float a bill to strip the useless of a right to vote.   I fully support restricting voting to property holders and veterans.   

Then they'll notice and howl.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: De Selby on January 23, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
Easy.  Float a bill to strip the useless of a right to vote.   I fully support restricting voting to property holders and veterans.   

Then they'll notice and howl.

Ironic thing to say when they're trying to strip you of your firearms rights.

Maybe we'll be better protected from tyranny if only those saintly property holders and veterans can have guns too?
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 23, 2013, 07:17:34 PM
Ironic thing to say when they're trying to strip you of your firearms rights.

Maybe we'll be better protected from tyranny if only those saintly property holders and veterans can have guns too?

I've learned not to rise to your bait a long time ago.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: De Selby on January 23, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
I've learned not to rise to your bait a long time ago.

Questioning your eagerness to limit other people's rights is not bait.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 23, 2013, 07:52:17 PM
Ok then,  taking that at face value,  I consider " Other peoples rights" to be disproportionate to their responsibilities. 

I don't consider being 18 years old and above room temperature a good criteria for having a say on how things are run. 

Property holders and Vets at the very least have "skin in the game".  Why should anyone that doesn't have a say? 

Horrifically OP,  but that my point was to point out that the "average American"  doesn't give a *expletive deleted*it,  and by that logic shouldn't be heard from.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: De Selby on January 23, 2013, 09:11:01 PM
I think you're underestimating voters - if they'd had a chance to comment on Benghazi, they probably would've had a different view to Obama and Clinton. 

This whole affair is a bad joke - it's obvious now that intervening in Libya was the wrong move for US security, just as intervening in Egypt and Syria will continue to be.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 23, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
I think you're underestimating voters - if they'd had a chance to comment on Benghazi, they probably would've had a different view to Obama and Clinton. 

This whole affair is a bad joke - it's obvious now that intervening in Libya was the wrong move for US security, just as intervening in Egypt and Syria will continue to be.

I agree with you to a large extent on policy,  The only exception being that voters have had their say.  They put the aholes in question in power, and chose to retain them in the past election.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: De Selby on January 23, 2013, 09:19:24 PM
I agree with you to a large extent on policy,  The only exception being that voters have had their say.  They put the aholes in question in power, and chose to retain them in the past election.


True, but I think that's mainly because they are convinced that the only alternative is more of the same.   Anyone with sense is written off as nutty.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 23, 2013, 09:38:29 PM
True, but I think that's mainly because they are convinced that the only alternative is more of the same.   Anyone with sense is written off as nutty.

Of the ones that actually think.  I agree with you there as well.  Romney wasn't an alternative and I didn't vote for him either.   

I defend my original statement.  Allowing those that don't actually contribute to vote is folly. 
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 23, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
If you allow only certain people to vote, those who have some "skin in the game" as it was phrased earlier, many or even most of those who don't get to vote probably wouldn't be bothered that much. They might raise a stink, but in the end, I don't think they care.

They don't care until you start cutting their benefits. Then they'll care. They'll riot, as we've seen in other countries. It will be a mess.

So, while we could have poll tests to make sure those who vote know at least something about government, or restrict voting to those who pay taxes, the system can't be changed to cut payments to those who are leeching off the system. Not without violence.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: roo_ster on January 23, 2013, 11:12:22 PM
This whole affair is a bad joke - it's obvious now that intervening in Libya was the wrong move for US security, just as intervening in Egypt and Syria will continue to be.

But, who could have known?  Haven't all our foreign missions gotten off without a hitch and unintended consequences?

If you allow only certain people to vote, those who have some "skin in the game" as it was phrased earlier, many or even most of those who don't get to vote probably wouldn't be bothered that much. They might raise a stink, but in the end, I don't think they care.

They don't care until you start cutting their benefits. Then they'll care. They'll riot, as we've seen in other countries. It will be a mess.

So, while we could have poll tests to make sure those who vote know at least something about government, or restrict voting to those who pay taxes, the system can't be changed to cut payments to those who are leeching off the system. Not without violence.

Belt fed FTW.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: longeyes on January 23, 2013, 11:32:09 PM
"What difference does it make?"

It makes a difference why the response to the attack was so inadequate and why no one, really, has taken responsibility for it or explained it fully.

It makes a difference why this administration continues to maintain the fiction that there is really no such thing as Islamist terrorism and, in fact, appears to be furthering the cause of Islamic radicalism by both omission and commission.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Kitteh-Dragon on January 24, 2013, 12:23:52 AM
Well, she hopes it won't make any difference to *her*.  But, seriously, they've had five *months* to work on this -- and *this* is the best they can come up with?  I have friends who have written entire novels and submitted them (under deadline) to their publisher since this happened!

I am revolted by the mind that could think, after months of trying to craft the best response, that this would even be acceptable.

I dunno, I think the circumstances of the attack, and how the administration initially labelled it, make a big difference.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/23/clinton-denies-delay-in-benghazi-response-despite-accounts/
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: longeyes on January 24, 2013, 12:46:23 AM
There really was no response, and apparently she didn't need one either.  And that is the truly scary part. 

I was just listening to a guy who is sure Hillary easily got the better of her GOP critics.  She showed the power, he noted, of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill or, even better, a "dominatrix."

Well, indeed, indeed...
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: SADShooter on January 24, 2013, 08:53:10 AM
Her interrogators were more interested in getting their questions read into the Congressional Record than in getting an answer from her. In that sense, it might as well have been Uma vs. the Crazy 88s.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: RevDisk on January 24, 2013, 10:05:21 AM
Easy.  Float a bill to strip the useless of a right to vote.   I fully support restricting voting to property holders and veterans.   

Then they'll notice and howl.
Ironic thing to say when they're trying to strip you of your firearms rights.

Maybe we'll be better protected from tyranny if only those saintly property holders and veterans can have guns too?

Jake, De Selby is right and you are wrong. I am both a land owner and veteran, and I am saying this. I recently became a landowner. Prior to that, if you think I'd be willing to pay an effective 44.37% tax rate and NOT be given the right to vote, you'd be hilariously mistaken. And I would have been leery of enlisting in the military of country that did not represent me.

Stripping people of the right to vote without a good reason is dangerous talk.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Ben on January 24, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Her interrogators were more interested in getting their questions read into the Congressional Record than in getting an answer from her. In that sense, it might as well have been Uma vs. the Crazy 88s.

This seems to be the way of all Congressional hearings. It's amazing when you think half these people are attorneys. You would think they would know how to interview a witness.

To what Longeyes said, I have been seeing a lot of press about Hillary blowing away her interviewers in the hearings and about her superior political abilities. Based on the press and comments at most Internet news sites, if i had to make a prediction based on facts in evidence today, she will win the presidential election in 2016 by a landslide if she chooses to run.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Blakenzy on January 24, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
I certainly hope not. She will make a natural tyrant. She will have Americans die, willy-nilly, and people will let it slide.  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Monkeyleg on January 24, 2013, 10:59:29 AM
I kept waiting for someone to ask who gave the order to stand down. I was also waiting for someone to ask if there was a drone with a video feed overhead, as had been reported. Did I miss those questions?
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Marnoot on January 24, 2013, 11:51:13 AM
Jake, De Selby is right and you are wrong. I am both a land owner and veteran, and I am saying this. I recently became a landowner. Prior to that, if you think I'd be willing to pay an effective 44.37% tax rate and NOT be given the right to vote, you'd be hilariously mistaken. And I would have been leery of enlisting in the military of country that did not represent me.

Stripping people of the right to vote without a good reason is dangerous talk.

This.

How does a "landowner" that just took-out a zero-down mortgage on a house and has no equity have more "skin" in the game than someone renting an apartment?

For that matter, how does someone that owns their sub-1/4-acre lot in suburbia outright have more skin in the game than someone who rents?

How does someone that owns 5000 acres of land in Wyoming have more skin in the game than someone who owns an equivalent dollar-amount of personal property but happens to live in a rental in the city?

If you'd tried to take away my right to vote before I bought my house just because I didn't own land and haven't become "worthy" by serving in the military, you can bet I'd have done a lot more than "raise a stink" about it. As long as I'm being taxed and am subject to any one of the hundreds of thousands of laws of the land, I darn well better have a right to vote.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: mtnbkr on January 24, 2013, 11:57:55 AM
It was just your typical "starship troopers" fantasy, of course nobody in the right mind supports such nonsense.

Right?

 [tinfoil]

Chris
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: RevDisk on January 24, 2013, 12:19:24 PM


Now, one private notion I personally have, that I'd not advocating be made into law. One of those "It'd be an interesting idea..." things. Requiring an oath upon one's 18th birthday that they were an adult, tax payer and citizen. And a requirement to do something to earn the right to vote. Also, no federal taxes if you choose not to vote in federal elections.
 
It'd be too easy to be corrupted. Ueber rich would hire folks to vote for them via PACs or other dodges, and skip on the taxes. Poor would skip it and demand services anyways. Requirements would be corrupted so that the "requirement to do something" would become "public service" or whatnot, as in society is entitled to a portion of your life.

That's the problem with being a libertarian. You can't be a utopian idiot. You come up with grand ideas, shoot holes through it the size of Nebraska, and say screw it, why not leave folks alone?
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Ben on January 24, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
As for skin in the game, I'd much rather that everyone's skin, in the game, be writing a tax check to Uncle Sam every April. I have often said it here, and I know it would be nearly impossible to implement, but if you wanted to sway voters to vote as "propertied" people would, let them know there's no free ride, and EVERYBODY has to pay their taxes.

The person making $20K a year would look at things in a completely different light if they had to write an annual check for even only $1000. The person making $50K that gets excited about their "tax refund!!!" wouldn't be so excited if they were cutting a $10K check to the .gov every year instead of having $12K taken out of their paycheck before they ever see it and then getting $2K of their own money back.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: longeyes on January 24, 2013, 12:35:39 PM
I certainly hope not. She will make a natural tyrant. She will have Americans die, willy-nilly, and people will let it slide.  [tinfoil]

Hillary is the ultimate extension of everything we have seen over the past decades.

Only one person can stop her: Michelle Obama. =(
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Strings on January 24, 2013, 02:02:04 PM
There is, to me, only one possible way I could see any form of disenfranchisement being acceptable: removing the vote from anyone on a handout program, for as long as they are on the dole
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: longeyes on January 25, 2013, 01:01:26 PM
Hillary's performance confirmed that the real currency of the U.S.A. is not the Dollar, it's lies.

Accountability is one more barbarous relic, apparently.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: red headed stranger on January 25, 2013, 01:14:37 PM
As for skin in the game, I'd much rather that everyone's skin, in the game, be writing a tax check to Uncle Sam every April. I have often said it here, and I know it would be nearly impossible to implement, but if you wanted to sway voters to vote as "propertied" people would, let them know there's no free ride, and EVERYBODY has to pay their taxes.

The person making $20K a year would look at things in a completely different light if they had to write an annual check for even only $1000. The person making $50K that gets excited about their "tax refund!!!" wouldn't be so excited if they were cutting a $10K check to the .gov every year instead of having $12K taken out of their paycheck before they ever see it and then getting $2K of their own money back.

The whole payroll witholding scheme is what has facilitated the higher taxes and attendant growth of government.  I would be in favor of everyone making quarterly estimated payments much like many businesses.  Then people would really feel how much they are taxed. 
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Doggy Daddy on January 25, 2013, 01:15:40 PM
Hillary is the ultimate extension of everything we have seen over the past decades.

Only one person can stop her: Michelle Obama. =(

I had not thought of that possibility until you posted that.  You have given me a headache.  [tinfoil] And nausea.   [barf]
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Rodensouth on January 25, 2013, 02:55:05 PM
The whole payroll witholding scheme is what has facilitated the higher taxes and attendant growth of government.  I would be in favor of everyone making quarterly estimated payments much like many businesses.  Then people would really feel how much they are taxed. 

This is the answer coupled with a flat tax. After a couple of years I believe minds would be changed by the pain they felt every 3 months. I hate that ones who only take can vote for my tax increases.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Bigjake on January 25, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
If you allow only certain people to vote, those who have some "skin in the game" as it was phrased earlier, many or even most of those who don't get to vote probably wouldn't be bothered that much. They might raise a stink, but in the end, I don't think they care.

They don't care until you start cutting their benefits. Then they'll care. They'll riot, as we've seen in other countries. It will be a mess.

So, while we could have poll tests to make sure those who vote know at least something about government, or restrict voting to those who pay taxes, the system can't be changed to cut payments to those who are leeching off the system. Not without violence.

That.  In spades

.   
Jake, De Selby is right and you are wrong. I am both a land owner and veteran, and I am saying this. I recently became a landowner. Prior to that, if you think I'd be willing to pay an effective 44.37% tax rate and NOT be given the right to vote, you'd be hilariously mistaken. And I would have been leery of enlisting in the military of country that did not represent me.

Stripping people of the right to vote without a good reason is dangerous talk.

I see your point.  I have to admit pulling the concept out of my ass when I posted it originally,   I wasn't going for the Heinlienian Utopia concept.  Those were the two obvious groups I could think of that earned franchise.

I don't believe that voting should be as easy as it is.   Elections have turned into a game that the Left is adept at duping. ( "Hey, look at these boxes of ballots we found out in someones car,  and they're ALL for candidate X!")  They fight against any standard to prevent fraud or illegal votes.  I think that higher standards or restrictions would help curb this.  The entitlement class should have to work harder than just getting on a bus on election day and pulling the lever they're told to to strip me of rights and coin.  I'm sick of being a slave to the whims of the population centers. 

Massive thread drift,  I'd meant to tie that into the OP, but here we are.  Y'all can continue to beat my ideas around like a tether ball (Ideally,  in separate thread)I'm willing to learn, correct me.  How do we fix them within the limits of the Constitution?

 We're at a point where people want the "free" *expletive deleted*it they voted themselves,  and somebody has to pay for it.

Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: lee n. field on January 25, 2013, 08:54:04 PM
Well, she hopes it won't make any difference to *her*.  But, seriously, they've had five *months* to work on this -- and *this* is the best they can come up with?  I have friends who have written entire novels and submitted them (under deadline) to their publisher since this happened!

So new, but so perceptive.  The force is strong in this one.

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I am revolted by the mind that could think, after months of trying to craft the best response, that this would even be acceptable.

I get the feeling they're not even trying hard at looking credible anymore.  Lame excuses, no budget for how many years?, not talking about fiscal problems, and a desperate gun grab before everything goes south.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Boomhauer on January 25, 2013, 09:02:58 PM
I think curbing that abuse Bigjake would be as simple as saying "OK you pay taxes, you have a say. You don't pay taxes, no say" Whether you are a working joe making $20k a year or a multimillionaire CEO, you pay taxes and you get to vote. On the dole, sitting on your ass? You don't get to vote. You don't get to put politicians in office who promise to take from the productive and give to you. You don't get to vote yourself largesse from the public treasury.

That would break the grip of the Dems faster than anything else.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: lupinus on January 25, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
Yeah, have to go with Jake and Avenger on this one. The question is more what's reasonable and what's not. Land owning is a piss poor measure.

But on the public dole, outside of temporary assistance like unemployment or "earned" benefits like social security, no vote. People shouldn't be voting themselves as much from the treasury as possible.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: slingshot on January 26, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
Hillary Clinton... what's the difference?  That should be her motto going into the next presidential election cycle if she chooses to run.

I care about the little guy?  I care about whether you get that check that you are entitled to?  Debt?  What's the difference?

Other than the fact that the foreign services were utterly unprepared for the Benghazi attack, the problem is that this happened during the closing months of an election cycle.  The majority of the press ignored it or down played the signficance.  Why?  It would hurt their guy....  There lies the problem and the DIFFERENCE.  It seems that nobody has any responsibility for anything any more if related to the government (unless you are a contractor).
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on January 26, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
It's always been a problem with military issues meeting diplomatic issues. who here remembers story about palm tree the Vietnamese embassy as saigon fell
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: Tallpine on January 26, 2013, 11:06:49 AM
Yeah, have to go with Jake and Avenger on this one. The question is more what's reasonable and what's not. Land owning is a piss poor measure.

But on the public dole, outside of temporary assistance like unemployment or "earned" benefits like social security, no vote. People shouldn't be voting themselves as much from the treasury as possible.

Well, in the old days before income and sales taxes, being a land-owner was pretty much the same thing as being a taxpayer.  =|

As, I think it was the Colorado Springs Gazette used to say, who's going to pull the wagon when everybody wants to ride?
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: longeyes on January 26, 2013, 12:03:35 PM
So new, but so perceptive.  The force is strong in this one.

I get the feeling they're not even trying hard at looking credible anymore.  Lame excuses, no budget for how many years?, not talking about fiscal problems, and a desperate gun grab before everything goes south.

You don't need credibility when the people you want to reach are already true believers.
Title: Re: Clinton on Benghazi - "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 26, 2013, 11:51:25 PM
I think curbing that abuse Bigjake would be as simple as saying "OK you pay taxes, you have a say. You don't pay taxes, no say" Whether you are a working joe making $20k a year or a multimillionaire CEO, you pay taxes and you get to vote. On the dole, sitting on your ass? You don't get to vote. You don't get to put politicians in office who promise to take from the productive and give to you. You don't get to vote yourself largesse from the public treasury.

That would break the grip of the Dems faster than anything else.

That and make election day the day after tax day.