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Title: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: mtnbkr on January 25, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Kind of cool.  NASA is having its younger engineers work on the old Apollo rockets to see what can be learned and applied to newer designs.

NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket (http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-testing-vintage-engine-apollo-11-rocket-222445500.html)

Chris
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 25, 2013, 12:29:43 PM
Wonder if that would fit on a vintage Chevy Impala?   :O
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: mtnbkr on January 25, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Your name is neither Adam nor Jamie, so no, it won't. :D

Chris
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: TommyGunn on January 25, 2013, 12:39:05 PM
I'm surprised NASA still has engines left over from the APOLLO era........
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 25, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
They got this one from the Smithsonian. 

The article says they have several more, mostly on display at museums, etc.

I could only imagine what the cost would be to reverse-engineer and then product-improve a newer version of a Saturn F1 rocket engine! 
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Phyphor on January 25, 2013, 04:24:09 PM
Didn't they find one of the first stages from one out in the ocean downrange of Cape Kennedy recently?
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: birdman on January 25, 2013, 08:48:05 PM
I'm surprised NASA still has engines left over from the APOLLO era........

Considering the (now cancelled) constellation program used the J-2X which was a (barely) updated version of the J-2 used for the 2nd and 3rd stage of the Saturn-V, yeah, there are a few around :)
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: brimic on January 25, 2013, 11:25:30 PM
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Wonder if that would fit on a vintage Chevy Impala? 

No, but I bet you'd get some pretty impressive 1/4 mile times if you mounted one on a dump truck. >:D

I love the Saturn V stuff- the scale of those machines is mind boggling.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 26, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
I think it's pretty damned impressive that the igniter generates 30,000 lbs of thrust.

Brad
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Fitz on January 26, 2013, 10:37:19 AM
No, but I bet you'd get some pretty impressive 1/4 mile times if you mounted one on a dump truck. >:D

I love the Saturn V stuff- the scale of those machines is mind boggling.

I'm intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.


Let's rig one up to my F150. I'll volunteer to test it.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Tallpine on January 26, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
I think it's pretty damned impressive that the igniter generates 30,000 lbs of thrust.

Brad


Hmmm, how about a VTOL C-182  ???

 =|
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 26, 2013, 12:11:07 PM

Hmmm, how about a VTOL C-182  ???

 =|

I wonder what would happen if you strapped one to a Cub... :laugh:

Brad
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Tallpine on January 26, 2013, 01:17:10 PM
I wonder what would happen if you strapped one to a Cub... :laugh:

Brad

SSTO ?   :O

 :cool:
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: bedlamite on January 26, 2013, 02:23:46 PM
I'm intrigued by your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.


Let's rig one up to my F150. I'll volunteer to test it.

Do you have a working oscillation overthruster yet?
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 26, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
I wonder what would happen if you strapped one to a Cub... :laugh:

Brad

Sweet baby xenu don't give the sport pilot crowd any ideas.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Tallpine on January 26, 2013, 05:19:43 PM
Sweet baby xenu don't give the sport pilot crowd any ideas.

Strap it under the belly, take off normally, and spend about 30 minutes clawing your way up to 5K feet.

Then flip the switch  =D

Better have an oxygen bottle and mask  :lol:
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Strings on January 27, 2013, 12:06:55 AM
>Do you have a working oscillation overthruster yet?<

They can just steal that from someone
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Northwoods on January 27, 2013, 01:16:48 AM
Strap it under the belly, take off normally, and spend about 30 minutes clawing your way up to 5K feet.

Then flip the switch  =D

Better have an oxygen bottle and mask  :lol:

And a parachute.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Hutch on January 27, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
I think it's pretty damned impressive that the igniter generates 30,000 lbs of thrust.

Brad
What is not commonly known is that, while the F1 engine used LOX as the oxidizer (duh), the fuel was actually kerosene.  They developed a turbo-pump to deliver some ungodly amount of kerosene to the combustion chamber.  A skosh over 1.5 million pounds of thrust per engine.  They turned off the center engine before the outboard 4, so as not to squish the astronauts near the end of the burn, as the fuel weight decreased, the acceleration increased.  All this done with slide rules and less computing power than a microwave oven.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: birdman on January 27, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
What is not commonly known is that, while the F1 engine used LOX as the oxidizer (duh), the fuel was actually kerosene.  They developed a turbo-pump to deliver some ungodly amount of kerosene to the combustion chamber.  A skosh over 1.5 million pounds of thrust per engine.  They turned off the center engine before the outboard 4, so as not to squish the astronauts near the end of the burn, as the fuel weight decreased, the acceleration increased.  All this done with slide rules and less computing power than a microwave oven.

Even less commonly known (I learned when I was working at rocketdyne) was that the flow rate for the F-1 turbopump was so high (5000lbs of LOX and RP-1 a second) was so high, it was actually investigated for firefighting on aircraft carriers.  Given that it could propel a 4-8" diameter stream of water at 50-100+m/s, for a flow of 500+ gallons per second (1.8 million GPH), it seemed like a good idea....until testing revealed it simply destroyed whatever it hit.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Hutch on January 27, 2013, 12:02:13 PM
Even less commonly known (I learned when I was working at rocketdyne) was that the flow rate for the F-1 turbopump was so high (5000lbs of LOX and RP-1 a second) was so high, it was actually investigated for firefighting on aircraft carriers.  Given that it could propel a 4-8" diameter stream of water at 50-100+m/s, for a flow of 500+ gallons per second (1.8 million GPH), it seemed like a good idea....until testing revealed it simply destroyed whatever it hit.
So, perfect for a CIWS?  Use it on incoming cruise missiles or Greenpeace zodiacs?  Pefect, says I.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Tallpine on January 27, 2013, 12:11:09 PM
Even less commonly known (I learned when I was working at rocketdyne) was that the flow rate for the F-1 turbopump was so high (5000lbs of LOX and RP-1 a second) was so high, it was actually investigated for firefighting on aircraft carriers.  Given that it could propel a 4-8" diameter stream of water at 50-100+m/s, for a flow of 500+ gallons per second (1.8 million GPH), it seemed like a good idea....until testing revealed it simply destroyed whatever it hit.

Marine propulsion jet pump  ???

 =|
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: AJ Dual on January 27, 2013, 12:52:51 PM
Marine propulsion jet pump  ???

 =|

Hell of a jet-ski...
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: seeker_two on January 27, 2013, 07:24:01 PM
So, perfect for a CIWS?  Use it on incoming cruise missiles or Greenpeace zodiacs?  Pefect, says I.

....or Somali pirates.....  =D
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 28, 2013, 09:01:58 AM
....or Somali pirates.....  =D

You could sink the average Somali boat with a red ryder.
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 28, 2013, 09:05:10 AM
So, perfect for a CIWS?  Use it on incoming cruise missiles or Greenpeace zodiacs?  Pefect, says I.

Or the anti-whalers' MS Bob Barker ...
Title: Re: NASA testing vintage engine from Apollo 11 rocket
Post by: seeker_two on January 28, 2013, 09:40:20 AM
You could sink the average Somali boat with a red ryder.

True....but there's no kill like overkill.... =D