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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: BobR on January 27, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
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Just your basic low level military(?) choppers firing blanks as they exercise over Miami. I am not really sure what the purpose of training over a large urban area is for, especially with the firing of blanks, or simulated firing sound. I would think if they were really firing blanks, there would be some angry motorists along the highway, especially with the brass raining down on them. If I wore my tinfoil hat a little tighter, I would be worried a little more. [tinfoil]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU&sns=fb
bob
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Downright strange. Maybe they've decided to reunite Miami with the US again.
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.... If I wore my tinfoil hat a little tighter, I would be worried a little more. [tinfoil]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9ioCbqJCU&sns=fb
bob
Maybe we both get our aluminum yamulkes tightened.
stay safe.
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freaky.......not to despoil a good conspiracy theory, but, aside from the general public, who would they be training for?
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Monster Control Bureau.
especially with the brass raining down on them.
Do we have samples?
My recollection is that blanks have the casemouth crimped closed.
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Topmost comment, from one Raymond Wilson:
ill say this much for you people....i was in the army for 8 years and my job was being a blackhawk helicopter gunner. never in my career did we EVER go into a populated city for any type of gun related training. i was stationed in savannah GA so u can guess that it was nothng but city. wed have to fly out a good ways to an aerial gunnery range to get qualified. if they are using blank fire over the city, its because they are preparing to fire on city dwellers.the army trains how it fights.
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Looked like the ones shooting were MH-6 of some flavor, unless of course the sound was misleading and another helo was the one firing. Possible unit on the ground firing since it was a coordinated exercise? Sounded like a .50 which I thought odd since I thought they little birds primarily mounted GAUs. The 60 had a refueling probe making an MH of some flavor so a specops aviation unit of some sort. Low level training over population? Too weird.
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Looked like the ones shooting were MH-6 of some flavor, unless of course the sound was misleading and another helo was the one firing. Possible unit on the ground firing since it was a coordinated exercise? Sounded like a .50 which I thought odd since I thought they little birds primarily mounted GAUs. The 60 had a refueling probe making an MH of some flavor so a specops aviation unit of some sort. Low level training over population? Too weird.
Spec ops usually keeps its training quiet......I'm going with show of force..... [tinfoil]
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Looked like the ones shooting were MH-6 of some flavor, unless of course the sound was misleading and another helo was the one firing. Possible unit on the ground firing since it was a coordinated exercise? Sounded like a .50 which I thought odd since I thought they little birds primarily mounted GAUs. The 60 had a refueling probe making an MH of some flavor so a specops aviation unit of some sort. Low level training over population? Too weird.
GAU is non-specific. Aircraft mounted gun/cannon not already having an "M-" designation (and some with) have a A/N designation (for the most part), in this case, GAU-. GAU-2,8,12,etc come to mind.
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We need to all get involved with our city councils and the like, and start getting local ordinances passed to prohibit the local police from engaging in joint training exercises with the military.
I don't care if it's a tinfoil brigade training exercise, a tinfoil brigade show of force in response to "will not comply" marches all across the country last week, or well-intentioned practice scenarios to teh mooslim bombers who bomb at midnight... I don't like it one bit.
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Is it too early to ask "What caliber for Blackhawk?"?.....
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Is it too early to ask "What caliber for Blackhawk?"?.....
I honestly don't want to go there.
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Miamidushu ? =|
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I honestly don't want to go there.
like, never.....
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freaky.......not to despoil a good conspiracy theory, but, aside from the general public, who would they be training for?
They are training the general public, desensitizing them to military choppers in action over their cities.
Why would they be training with our police? Shouldn't they be training with, you know, police where they anticipate going?
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Is it too early to ask "What caliber for Blackhawk?"?.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXgb9jG5HKM#t=1m38s
Nanana... nanana.... nanana....naNa.nana.naNa.nana.
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Is it too early to ask "What caliber for Blackhawk?"?.....
Depends on your aim.
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Easy there, folks... =|
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Nanana... nanana.... nanana....naNa.nana.naNa.nana.
Batman!
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If Burn Notice has taught me anything, it's that gun fire, explosions, and general mayhem are perfectly normal in Miami, and are rarely noticed by the locals.
Nothing to see here, move along. :police: <-- Miami cop :laugh:
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GAU is non-specific. AiIrcraft mounted gun/cannon not already having an "M-" designation (and some with) have a A/N designation (for the most part), in this case, GAU-. GAU-2,8,12,etc come to mind.
Ya, you are correct as usual. I was trying to say minigun and be lazy. Turns out they carry GAU-19 50 cal and a M134 7.62 minigun which is what I was thinking of. I had one chance to see the little thing up close but it was in a non-armed setting. Good thing too, the test pilots had weaponized crazy as it was.
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Hey kids, it could be something as simple as a movie being filmed. Got a friend in the industry, and they do a lot ofblannk firing, even in this cgi age.
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My first thought was movie also; the news reporter specifically said training exercises though.
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My first thought was movie also; the news reporter specifically said training exercises though.
Just caught the story and video clip showing an H60 hovering and guys fast-roping or rappelling out (video quality not good enough to tell which). Didn't realize the military had said it was training. Sorry.
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"This is how we are going to disperse the crowds if they are armed"
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"This is how we are going to disperse the crowds if they are armed"
Pretty much. Anything resembling an attempt at a "million m4 march" will meet this response.
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Drudge has an article about something going on in houston. Interagency training involving the army, helos, and i assume some sort of civilian law enforcement. Also remember there was a video article some months back about marines cross training to assist law enforcement. They are preparing to violate posse comitatus folks. No way around it
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The fact that our armed forces conduct FIBUA excercises in the middle of any conveniently located town/city over here suddenly seems extremely sinister. =(
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Pretty much. Anything resembling an attempt at a "million m4 march" will meet this response.
All the SOAR guys I know would never go along with that.
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Most states' National guard has a counterdrug task force containing aviation assets etc, and train alongside the civvie law enforcement for that mission. In fact, half the folks out at an erad op i participated in were NG.
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That said, if the .mil and other gov orgs wage war on gun owners, There will be major consequences for them. Lots of gun rights advocates work in .gov/ LE not only as trigger pullers, but logistics, IT... etc
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And now, same thing in Houston...
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8971311
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"This is how we are going to take-down a compound held by armed civilians"
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Were they black helicopters? [tinfoil]
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"If it's to protect our kids, I'm all for it," neighbor Glenn DeWitt said.
nice....
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Do you suppose these are psy-ops intended for intimidation?
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Do you suppose these are psy-ops intended for intimidation?
Yes.
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Do you suppose these are psy-ops intended for intimidation?
Knowing they are prepared/preparing to do that to me isn't going to make me compliant, but instead make me seek out alternatives to prevent it from happening.
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1) Maybe someone is filming a movie and the Army or NG is using it to get some training in. It just happens to be over a big city because that's where the movie is set.
2) Or maybe they are trying to provoke someone into doing something premature stupid. [tinfoil]
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Other than the Warthog, don't aerial guns usually eject their empties out into the blue? Even if they are blanks, I would expect a serious falling object damage risk.
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Other than the Warthog, don't aerial guns usually eject their empties out into the blue? Even if they are blanks, I would expect a serious falling object damage risk.
M61 20mm puts the empties back in the drum just like the GAU-8 does, IIRC. If you look at pix, there are two feed chutes. It's likely required, where else would they go? Most of the time, the gun is on the front of the aircraft, so you wouldn't want to ingest cases (think f-18)
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Other than the Warthog, don't aerial guns usually eject their empties out into the blue? Even if they are blanks, I would expect a serious falling object damage risk.
Brass catchers are common on choppers.
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What really gets me about the Miami video is that they go beyond maneuvers and are firing blanks... WTF for? Are they trying to gauge the public's sensitivity to military activity on their streets?...
And regarding the Houston video, (full video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9UO3e6piU )note how all those guys on the ground look like people you may find at the range... they are all dressed like what your average american shooting enthusiast might be wearing.
Hmmpf.
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Before I went to Iraq we trained in mockups of Iraqi cities. Looks like the Army is training to fight in American cities.
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Were they black helicopters? [tinfoil]
Dark Green ;) [tinfoil]
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Some Night Stalker types did this in Kingsville, TX a few years back.
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What really gets me about the Miami video is that they go beyond maneuvers and are firing blanks... WTF for? Are they trying to gauge the public's sensitivity to military activity on their streets?...
And regarding the Houston video, (full video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9UO3e6piU )note how all those guys on the ground look like people you may find at the range... they are all dressed like what your average american shooting enthusiast might be wearing.
Hmmpf.
@ 10:15 in that video, stacks of "insurgent" weapons on the sidewalk.
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Were they black helicopters? [tinfoil]
[tinfoil]