Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on February 02, 2013, 09:06:05 AM
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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20130202/NEWS02/702029935#Britain-offers-model-of-gun-control-effort
Showing how the UK accomplished gun control. I see that this article was originally published in the Washington Post and picked up by the AP.
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Britian doesn't have that pesky 2nd Amendment.
MSM is hell bent on gun control.
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Legal guns -- including some types of rifles and shotguns largely suitable for farms and sport -- must be kept in locked boxes bolted to floors or walls and are subject to random police inspection and vigorous inquires about the mental health and family life of owners.
I can confirm this. One of my customers over there told me how he gave up his shotguns after being repeatedly visited by the local police at odd hours (5am, 9pm, etc).
He's an avid sportsman and frequently comes to the US for fly fishing and such. Good guy, certainly not the shifty criminal sort, but he was harassed out of his guns anyway.
Chris
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I can confirm this. One of my customers over there told me how he gave up his shotguns after being repeatedly visited by the local police at odd hours (5am, 9pm, etc).
He's an avid sportsman and frequently comes to the US for fly fishing and such. Good guy, certainly not the shifty criminal sort, but he was harassed out of his guns anyway.
Chris
It's at least pleasing to know they have violent crime so controlled the police have time available to harass law-abiding citizens. Uh, wait...
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Britian doesn't have that pesky 2nd Amendment.
Britain doesn't have any Amendments.....subjects don't need rights.
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That is where reasonable restrictions and compromise lead :mad:
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and here
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html
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Who needs the Second Amendment when you have Shari'a Law?
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Who needs the Second Amendment when you have Shari'a Law?
Funny you bring that up.....watched a news story about "vigilante" sharia law being brought to the streets of London. So far it's only verbal harassment, and surprisingly there's been some arrests....but imagine being a woman surrounded by Arab men on the street at night harassed because your skirt is too tight.....
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How's that "unwritten constitution" thing working?
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Funny you bring that up.....watched a news story about "vigilante" sharia law being brought to the streets of London. So far it's only verbal harassment, and surprisingly there's been some arrests....but imagine being a woman surrounded by Arab men on the street at night harassed because your skirt is too tight.....
sounds like a frat party or naval officers ala tailhook
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When police on a weapons raid swarmed a housing project after London's 2011 riots, they seized a cache of arms that in the United States might be better suited to "Antiques Roadshow" than inner city ganglands. Inside plastic bags hidden in a trash collection room, officers uncovered two archaic flintlock pistols, retrofitted flare guns and a Jesse James-style revolver.
These days, that kind of antiquated firepower is about the baddest a British gang member can get.
BS.
(In a sort of related aside, my brother lived in the gun free paradise of Japan for 15 years. He has told me there was a thriving black market trade between Japan and Russia. Used J. cars one way (fees were such that after a certain age it was cheaper to buy new, thus an abundance of old cars needing to be disposed of), guns the other way.)
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your brother spoke true. but the culture there is such they keep the carnage carefully contained and even more carefully covered up
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It's at least pleasing to know they have violent crime so controlled the police have time available to harass law-abiding citizens. Uh, wait...
Do they still call them citizens over there?
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your brother spoke true. but the culture there is such they keep the carnage carefully contained and even more carefully covered up
He also mentioned that it was not unusual to read reports of WWII era rifles turning up in the wreckage of earthquake damaged homes.
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I watch lot of contemporary UK television, particularly mysteries. (I think in many cases they're better written than American counterparts.)
The level of murder, violence, and abundance of firearms in the fictional accounts is interesting, in view of the apparent pacifist enlightenment in the culture. Suggests either a morbid fascination with crime and mayhem, or indicates the reality on the street differs from the state propaganda.
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your brother spoke true. but the culture there is such they keep the carnage carefully contained and even more carefully covered up
Now isn't that very interesting.
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Now isn't that very interesting.
Hmm... Another thing to rub the Japanese noses in. We can add "Their real crime rate" to the list, right under "WWII history/atrocities".
Although I'd bet it's still a great deal lower than ours, the UK's or Aus.
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Now isn't that very interesting.
so long as its gang on gang its all good. and they are very efficient at disappearing bodies.
the cops are very pragmatic and the gangs are deeply embedded into politics
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sounds like a frat party or naval officers ala tailhook
Except those don't usually end with the woman tied in a sack, buried up to her waist, and then having her brains bashed out with cinder blocks, all because she committed "adultery" by being raped by said men. Sharia is, among other atrocious things, a legal system that operates on a variety of abhorrent "principles." In the case, that of "she was asking for it." Gee, where have I heard that argument before?
Shall I "pics or it didn't happen"?
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so long as its gang on gang its all good. and they are very efficient at disappearing bodies.
the cops are very pragmatic and the gangs are deeply embedded into politics
So my take on this is if the Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, MS-13 or whatever/whoever is now ascendant these days gets training from the Yakuza in manners, and pseudo-Bushido, America would suddenly look a LOT better in the world crime stats? =D
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It's funny, all the restrictions on guns are for nothing... "illegal" firearm ownership THRIVES and always outnumbers "legal" possession. Look up the numbers in that article on gun law defiance I posted. Second Amendment or not, people really like having weapons... it must be human nature.. hmm, maybe RKBA is a Natural Right after all?
Shall I "pics or it didn't happen"?
Reality is sobering...
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Funny you bring that up.....watched a news story about "vigilante" sharia law being brought to the streets of London. So far it's only verbal harassment, and surprisingly there's been some arrests....but imagine being a woman surrounded by Arab men on the street at night harassed because your skirt is too tight.....
now see.... there's some males that need some killing. And yet "civilization" has decided to let them keep breathing.
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Interesting WP article linked by Mill Creek. Would the controls work in the US? Probably, eventually. Would it be tolerated? Probably not. All you have to do is look at other countries and when you accept incremental gun controls, you can see what it leads to. But the fact that the laws were indeed passed and implemented in England truly suggests that Brit's are subjects and not the same as citizens in the USA.
My impression is that British hunting is primarily limited to people of financial means. The same generally applies to trout fishing. It goes back to royalty and their fox hunts. Here in the US, hunting is universal among the various socialogic groups, but certainly concentrated in rural areas and folks that live in rural area. They generally have access to hunting that city folks don't have without paying for the access. This is one of the reasons the Pennsylvania State Game Lands program was and is so successful as it provided universal access to hunting on public lands that were scattered around the state. In my state, there are a fair number of WMA's, but most are restricted in terms of the weapon that is allowable within the WMA to be used for hunting. That makes sense in the smaller WMAs as long as game management is successful.
From my perspective, it's sad what has happened in Great Britian from an individual right perspective. During WWII, we were shipping guns to arm their citizens as they had few weapons. The Brits have never really developed the gun culture that the US has and our culture dates back to when a minority of people from the Colonies rebelled against their British masters.
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Except those don't usually end with the woman tied in a sack, buried up to her waist, and then having her brains bashed out with cinder blocks, all because she committed "adultery" by being raped by said men. Sharia is, among other atrocious things, a legal system that operates on a variety of abhorrent "principles." In the case, that of "she was asking for it." Gee, where have I heard that argument before?
Shall I "pics or it didn't happen"?
that happening in england?
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that happening in england?
http://web.archive.org/web/20090106224426/http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_2.shtml
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We have Jerry Springer type stuff here as well. We just blame it on individuals instead of their religion.
Not saying I support sharia law. Just saying, I've heard of similar enough stuff happening in my hometown.
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We have Jerry Springer type stuff here as well. We just blame it on individuals instead of their religion.
Not saying I support sharia law. Just saying, I've heard of similar enough stuff happening in my hometown.
Quite true. I just finished reading the book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' by Jon Krakauer detailing the faith-based violence that has occurred in certain Mormon fundamentalist communities.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20090106224426/http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_2.shtml
happens here and in canada to. has for longer than you've been breathing. and its not just islamic folk doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74tx9UpyV8
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html
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shoot we had a president get all upset over the idea that black kids would walk the same streets at the same time to school as black kids.
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happens here and in canada to. has for longer than you've been breathing. and its not just islamic folk doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74tx9UpyV8
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html
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shoot we had a president get all upset over the idea that black kids would walk the same streets at the same time to school as black kids.
Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.
So to that I say: *expletive deleted*ck that noise.
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Quite true. I just finished reading the book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' by Jon Krakauer detailing the faith-based violence that has occurred in certain Mormon fundamentalist communities.
That book gave me nightmares. *shudder*
The question that comes to my mind after reading that article is the same as what comes to mind after reading others of the same ilk.
What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?
Personally, I would say (where I unarmed and unable to defend myself for whatever reason) a big guy armed with superior mass and a knife intent on raping or beating me is much more frightening them being a random victim of a gunshot wound.
Seems to me that a quick death or being frightened witless for a bit isn't as bad as being physically restrained, violated and battered. It's diffrence between fear I could live with and fear I could not.
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What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?
Tyrants aren't afraid of being raped?
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What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?
Years and years of conditioning by the media, politicians and Hollywood that death or attack by someone with a gun is somehow worse than a knifing or beating or strangulation.
We're one of the most free countries on earth when it comes to private possession of firearms, but decades of this conditioning has left probably a third or more of the country so afraid of guns that they would never even touch one with a single finger.
Andy Griffith (Sheriff Taylor) took Opie hunting. Wally Cleaver had a rifle in his bedroom. This was normal at one time. It was normal in my house and in the homes of all of the kids I knew. The anti's have done a very good job.
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Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.
So to that I say: *expletive deleted* that noise.
The greatest antithesis to date? Hyperbole much?
People have all kind of reasons for explaining why Muslims can't be Americans. I suppose the American Muslims just don't understand their own religion.
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Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.
So to that I say: *expletive deleted* that noise.
Actually, for the time, it was pretty liberal and civilized, under most circumstances. Problem is, things have gotten a lot more liberal and sharia law hasn't been updated to match it.
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How's that "unwritten constitution" thing working?
Pretty well, actually.
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Pretty well, actually.
Some folks just love their chains I guess.
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Some folks just love their chains I guess.
At least in our nation we can defend ourselves and not be arrested for it...
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At least in our nation we can defend ourselves and not be arrested for it...
Depends. Who are you defending from?
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Some folks just love their chains I guess.
Has it ever occured to you that some people who arent American might actually like their own country?
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Has it ever occured to you that some people who arent American might actually like their own country?
Nationalism is indeed an international phenomena. I'm American, I like my country, and I still heavily criticize it's corrupt and blatantly evil government. I have no issues with Brits defending things they like about their country, but when one of the things they like is its oppressive government then I refer you to my initial post.
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Nationalism is indeed an international phenomena. I'm American, I like my country, and I still heavily criticize it's corrupt and blatantly evil government. I have no issues with Brits defending things they like about their country, but when one of the things they like is its oppressive government then I refer you to my initial post.
where did I say I like its "oppressive government"? All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.
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where did I say I like its "oppressive government"? All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.
Your unwritten constitution is allowing those oppressive measures, so...
Either it isn't working well, or you approve of the things that are happening. Is there another option? ???
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where did I say I like its "oppressive government"? All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.
You mean the stiff upper lip thing ?
:lol: