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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: just Warren on February 17, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
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So I was looking at videos and articles on the S&W 1917 .45* revolver but none of them addressed the reason why it it had such a tall, rounded front sight.
Now I know this was common on SA revolvers but I really don't know that much about early DAs so was wondering if these type of sights were common on all revolvers of the day.
Also, why did they fall out use? Do we know better these days?
I must say I love the look but would it still a good choice given a century of advances in sight design?
*This is a gun I've lusted after for awhile and when I'm back on my financial feet I'll look at getting one.
Also, if anyone has photos or stories about any .45 revolver (or any moonclip using gun) this would be a great thread to do it in. (Hint hint). And this is why I'm asking y'all rather than Googling it. ;)
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Thin front sights allow for a very crisp view within the rear sight. The half-moon shape supposedly shows you if the barrel is canted up or down, as opposed to perfectly horizontal. It also clears the holster with less snagging than, for example, a Partridge sight (thin, straight squared post). This last is most likely why it was selected.
Based on personal experience, it sucks in low/no light situations. It forces you to slow down and aquire a "good" sight picture as opposed to an "adequate" one.
Full moon clips rule. Half moon clips suck, but nowhere as badly as 1/3-moon clips. http://splodetv.com/fast-revolver-reload
If God kills a kitten every time someone calls a magazine a clip, what does He do when someone calls a moon clip a speed loader? It must be horrendous.
You can stack 2 moon clips in the pouch used for a speed loader. The first one is easy to grab. Use your pinky finger to "stab" the inner hole and pull up the one in the bottom of the pouch. The Blade Tech "pouch" http://www.blade-tech.com/Double-Moon-Clip-Pouch-pr-885.html works well and you can adjust the tightness of the grip on the cartridge with a heat gun - just go slowly and wear gloves if you are tightening the grip.
All of that aside, moon clips are fantastic for finding your fired brass.
stay safe.
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I dunno much about revolvers but I know I'm partial to my 625 and 325. The 3 is a near perfect carry gun. Until of course you lose one small internal piece washing the gun in a beach rental's sink because you had it in your swim trunks sans a holster and dropped it in the surf. I must have got all the salt out, It's still in one piece. Went so far as to pull the rear sight assy. Moonclips make me happy.
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. . . It also clears the holster with less snagging than, for example, a Partridge sight (thin, straight squared post). . . .
If God kills a kitten every time someone calls a magazine a clip, what does He do when someone calls a moon clip a speed loader? It must be horrendous.
The penalty is probably no worse than for someone who adds an "r" to Patridge . . . ;)
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The penalty is probably no worse than for someone who adds an "r" to Patridge . . . ;)
Damn you, Autocorrect.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
stay safe.
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Damn you, Autocorrect.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
stay safe.
No problem - anyway, your post just makes me want to say "clip" more often. >:D
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Love my 625. Full moon clips come out easily and load smoothly with 45ACP. I really like my 627 (8 shot) in 357, but the full moon clips for it don't load so smoothly as the narrow/skinny cartridges don't line up to slide into the cylinder so easily as round nose 230 grain 45ACP. I have seen the S&W reproduction WWI revolvers and would love to get one if I had the cash.
www.dillonprecision.com sells a moon clip loading/unloading tool that is very easy to use. It makes it easier with 45, but with 357, it is dang near mandatory. I can't load the 8 shot moon clips by hand without bending them.
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Thanks for the info. Is there anyway to make the sights more low-light friendly without ruining the aesthetics? And I guess my plan for a 1/6th moonclip probably won't work out.
A friend has been pestering me for years to join his shooting club and get into competitions. I hear .45 ACP wheels are tack-drivers, though I would have to get into reloading so I can do up the kitten-strength wadcutters I would need.
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Thanks for the info. Is there anyway to make the sights more low-light friendly without ruining the aesthetics? And I guess my plan for a 1/6th moonclip probably won't work out.
A friend has been pestering me for years to join his shooting club and get into competitions. I hear .45 ACP wheels are tack-drivers, though I would have to get into reloading so I can do up the kitten-strength wadcutters I would need.
Several folks sell various kinds and types of luminous paint. Some of them actuall last for more than 5 minutes of decreasing "glow" in the dark. Or so I've been told.
1/6th moon clips are usually referred to a .45 AutoRim.
stay safe.
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Thanks for the info. Is there anyway to make the sights more low-light friendly without ruining the aesthetics? And I guess my plan for a 1/6th moonclip probably won't work out.
A friend has been pestering me for years to join his shooting club and get into competitions. I hear .45 ACP wheels are tack-drivers, though I would have to get into reloading so I can do up the kitten-strength wadcutters I would need.
I tend to be a somewhat sloppy pistol shooter in that I would sooner cut the bullseye out of the paper before hitting it. With my 625 I can occasionally get it right and put one right through the bullseye. For me, that speaks well of the pistol. Mine is the 625 JM version.
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1/6th moon clips are usually referred to a .45 AutoRim.
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The 1917 was one of the guns used by Indiana Jones (http://www.indygear.com/igguns.html) though cut down to 4 in, and so some fans of of the movies who are also into guns get a 1917 cut down as well. I like the movies and the gun of course but I don't think I could do that. It just looks right and properly old-school with the 5 in bbl...He also used a BHP and a Webley so good taste in guns by Spielberg.
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Mine is the 625 JM version.
Those are beautiful looking guns. Did you keep the multi-colored grips?
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And here is a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMHCOhBl0wI) of someone shooting WW1 revolvers featuring both Colt and S&W's 1917s and the Webley. Good times.
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Those are beautiful looking guns. Did you keep the multi-colored grips?
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764931_-1_757894_757775_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Here is mine. What do you mean by "multicolored"?
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These. (http://serenitysys.com/shooting/guns/S&W_625/S&W_625_PC_1024-5683.jpg) For some reason I was thinking those were stock stocks.
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Unless you get the charge holes (chambers) aggressively beveled or chamfered, round nosed bullets is your friend. Our rave-fave H&G 68 200gr SWC, which feeds pretty well in the 1911, tends to be a little challenging to get all six going in easily. Kinda ironic, huh? A 1911 more reliably feeding than a revolver?
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These. (http://serenitysys.com/shooting/guns/S&W_625/S&W_625_PC_1024-5683.jpg) For some reason I was thinking those were stock stocks.
:O Wow, that is ugly.
I have had no issue with normal 230 grain FMJ and the Hornady self defense ammo I have tried gave me no issues feed with moon clips either.
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http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/pid/25534/catid/24/CCW_Moon_Clip_Loading__Unloading_Tool__45ACP
This is the moon clip tool I bought. Works great and loads them very fast. I am curious if any of you use something different.
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Thanks, Hutch. I'll keep that in mind.
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The 1917 was one of the guns used by Indiana Jones (http://www.indygear.com/igguns.html) though cut down to 4 in, and so some fans of of the movies who are also into guns get a 1917 cut down as well. I like the movies and the gun of course but I don't think I could do that. It just looks right and properly old-school with the 5 in bbl...He also used a BHP and a Webley so good taste in guns by Spielberg.
The gun nut Indy fans buy another barrel to cut down and save the OEM.
I want a 4" 625 bored another 1/8" for .460 Rowland. .44 Magnum power for the field, .45 Super/ACP/Auto Rim for two-legged threats.
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Was reading up on moonclips and read that they could bend and thus tie up your gun when you need it most. Also full clips are the same size as a cylinder and so it's like you are hiding the width of two guns. So got to thinking about the 1/3rd clips and thought that one of these (http://www.opticsplanet.com/galco-2x2x2-ammo-carrier.html) might be an excellent way to carry reloads.
I searched around and found people promoting the 1/3rds as a way to be able to tactical reloads but how do you do that with out dumping all the rounds in the chamber? Not that that is a serious concern as I'm looking more at the ease of concealment of the reloads. And I'm sure with practice you could get quite speedy with grabbing all three clips and getting them in the chambers.
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I use these http://www.blade-tech.com/Revolver-Pouches-c-358.html when totin' anything that uses moon clips. Very comfortable and very secure unless you leave it on the dash or somewhere that heats it up and expands the plastic. Easy to loosen things up a bit but takes some skill to tighten it without totally ruining the "roundness" of the slots.
stay safe.
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Warren,
Open cylinder muzzle down, press up ejector rod part way, grab expended 1/3 clip, discard and load another. Same technique as loading single rimmed cases when you don't have clips.
Clips can bend, but you usually carry them in pouches. They are/were steel so normal knocking around in a coat pocket isn't going to mangle them, modern polymer ones even less.
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No problem - anyway, your post just makes me want to say "clip" more often. >:D
Not me, I'm going to start calling those round, notchy things "moon magazines."
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Skid--
So that works even for CCW? The speedymoonmags don't work themselves loose from those slots as you walk about and sit and stand and such.
I looked at other versions and the type with the post in the spring-like container (http://www.firearmsprostore.com/northmountainmoonclipholdersinglepost.aspx) looks good as it holds the rounds tight and offers a bit of protection. Though it does stick out a bit more.
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Well, actually, today it is a clip not a magazine.
As I understand it, there are a lot of single action .45 ACP revolver shooters and a few double action revolver shooters (a S&W 610 owner I used to shoot with,) who use 1911 magazines as clips. The 610 shooter uses Glock clips.
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Skid--
So that works even for CCW? The speedymoonmags don't work themselves loose from those slots as you walk about and sit and stand and such.
I looked at other versions and the type with the post in the spring-like container (http://www.firearmsprostore.com/northmountainmoonclipholdersinglepost.aspx) looks good as it holds the rounds tight and offers a bit of protection. Though it does stick out a bit more.
The Blade-Tech thingy holds very securely - to the point that I do not use polymer moon clips as the round may tear out as the clip is withdrawn. While I rarely CC my 625 the clip holderr can be covered "fairly" easily - it does stick out a bit more than a gagazine.
I also use these http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/pid/25113/catid/30/Moon_Clips_D__6_Shot_Moon_Clip_Holder__2_ea__ which were originally designed for competition. The North Mountain item looks good - I probably will invest.
stay safe.
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http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/pid/25534/catid/24/CCW_Moon_Clip_Loading__Unloading_Tool__45ACP
This is the moon clip tool I bought. Works great and loads them very fast. I am curious if any of you use something different.
I use a 1/2" x 18" length of copper pie with half the diameter off one end cut back a quarter inch. Insert over empty case & twist. You can collect all 6 .45ACP cases inside the pipe and then dump wherever.