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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Northwoods on February 25, 2013, 10:00:41 PM
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My buddy from when I worked at Boeing and I are working on plans for our 2013 elk season. In broad strokes, we intend to float down some rivers in the southern portion of the Olympic Peninsula. I'm working on a dry-bag for the gun (found one option commercially, might DIY one though). But, even with a good dry-bag I kinda reluctant to take my blued, walnut stocked CZ-550 (9.3x62).
So I am thinking about getting a stainless, synthetic stocked rifle. I really like Mauser style actions, and just have a thing for oddball calibers. But a ton of money I do not have.
Suggestions?
I do have a Turk T38 Mauser that would an option as a project (out of headspace right now). It's cheap enough that if it did get ruined I wouldn't cry for too long.
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What is your recoil tolerance? .300 RUM is becoming a popular elk cartridge, a factory rifle and w/scope will produce about 40# of recoil force. A .30-06 is 25# in the similar package.
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What about a .35 Whelen barrel for the Turk and then try one of the coatings on the whole barreled action?
jim
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What about a .35 Whelen barrel for the Turk and then try one of the coatings on the whole barreled action?
jim
That might work! Or maybe a 9.3x62 barrel? One less caliber to load for if that's doable.
charby - The 9.3 is more recoil than I can enjoy off a bench rest. Hunting shots it's no nevermind, of course. That launches 286 grains at 2400 fps.
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What about a .338-06? Build that on the turk.
http://quarterbore.com/library/articles/33806.html
A friend has one and its a joy to shoot.
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Why not one of these in .338 WM?
http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeAllWeather/models.html
Probably cost about the same as a Turk Mauser project when its all said and done.
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Yeah, it's looking like a solid $300 for a new CroMo barrel, plus install - more for stainless. I can get a synthetic stock for $70 that claims (heh) no inletting needed. Fitting and finish, irons, etc and $700 would be easy to spend.
I'm thinking about seeing what the LGS has on hand. Didn't notice anything interesting on THR or GRM or Seattleguns.net's classified sections. What's a used synth/stainless rifle likely to go for these days?
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If you are looking for new to you (used) guns, you may want to try and find one of those boat oar, stainless Rugers. There is a LGS over here that still has a decent selection of hunting rifles. I could take a look at them if you wanted and let you know what they have.
bob
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Yeah, it's looking like a solid $300 for a new CroMo barrel, plus install - more for stainless. I can get a synthetic stock for $70 that claims (heh) no inletting needed. Fitting and finish, irons, etc and $700 would be easy to spend.
I was considering converting a worn out Turk to 6.5x55 SWE for my son, even with an action and barrel on hand, its still cheaper to buy new. I might get that project going in a few years when he's big enough for an adult stock.
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I love my 6.5x55. FWIW, 6.5mm bullets are still fairly common around here. While the 7mm, 30cal, etc bullets are picked over (except for the very odd weights), the 6.5mm section was fairly well stocked. Primers and powder are tough, but if you already load rifle, you probably have that. I saw 6.5x55 factory ammo on the shelf, surrounded by empty slots where "normal" calibers would normally sit.
Chris
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I have thousands of 6.5mm bullets and at least 500 pieces of brass ;)
I use RL-22 and 139-142gr bullets for my loads. I can still find RL-22 in my area- just bought another can last night.
I have a pretty decent collection of Swedish military rifles but I can't bring myself to sporterize one of them.
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What load are you using with RL-22 and those bullet weights? I can't seem to get RL22 and 140gr Sierra Gamekings to shoot, at least not the last time I went out. My Varget load typically does .4-.7" depending on my shooting that day (last session gave me a .22" 5-shot group), but RL22 loads are nowhere close. I'd be fine with Varget, but I keep hearing how great RL22 is for the 6.5x55.
The gun is a Winchester Featherweight.
As for RL22 availability, the last time I saw it on the shelf was before Christmas.
Chris
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What's a used synth/stainless rifle likely to go for these days?
Sans the glass, anywhere from $400-1000 depending upon the manufacturer.
I know the dealer cost on a new stainless synthetic stocked Rem 700 in 300 RUM is $620.
Also stainless firearms will rust, you still need to keep them oiled and wiped down when wet.
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What load are you using with RL-22 and those bullet weights? I can't seem to get RL22 and 140gr Sierra Gamekings to shoot, at least not the last time I went out. My Varget load typically does .4-.7" depending on my shooting that day (last session gave me a .22" 5-shot group), but RL22 loads are nowhere close. I'd be fine with Varget, but I keep hearing how great RL22 is for the 6.5x55.
Start at 43.0 and work up to 47.0 (careful! 47.0 is going to be a hot load) Somewhere around 46.5gr should give you an accurte load.
46.3gr and a 140 gr SMK or SGK has been very accurate in my swedes, but I had the bolt stick on my M41B once (after shooting hundreds of this load) so I backed off a grain- just not worth it in a 100 year old relic.
For some odd reason the 6.5x55 likes slow powders like RL-22, 4350, and 4891. This goes double for cast loads- its fairly difficult to get them to shoot well with pistol powders and get any kind of respectable velocity- I use a plinking load with unique and 123gr cast bullets at about 1200fps, most of my others shoot good up to 1700-1800 fps with 2400 and 4227 but the 6.5s don't like these powders for me, anything much faster in the swedes, you need a rifle powder.
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That was the range I was working with. I was using fresh brass though. I'm going to reload the now once-fired brass and try it again.
Chris
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FWIW, I was getting 1.75-2" groups at 200 yards with the M41B- which was good enough for me considering the gear.
I remember conversing with Wildalaska about 10 years ago on THR about M41B loads, he was getting about 1/2MOA with RL-22 and lapua scenars iirc.
Your Winny is undoubtedly capable of much better accuracy than what I'm shooting.
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M41B?
Sweet!
I'd kill for a CG-63, myself...
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M41B?
Sweet!
I'd kill for a CG-63, myself...
I'D like one of those too.
The m41b is fun to shoot,kind pf wish i would have bought a few more, but the price was hard to justify when they were available. Funny how it always works that way.
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my blued,walnut stocked CZ-550 (9.3x62).
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So I just have a thing for oddball calibers.
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You sure as hell do...
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If you are looking for new to you (used) guns, you may want to try and find one of those boat oar, stainless Rugers. There is a LGS over here that still has a decent selection of hunting rifles. I could take a look at them if you wanted and let you know what they have.
bob
Let me see what is available locally first. Thanks for the offer though. I may well take you up on that later.
I'm also, perhaps, willing to consider something like a .45-70 lever gun. Long range is not a requiremnt for this hunt.
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You sure as hell do...
I don't think its that odd- the local cabelas sold a ton of Husqvarnas over the last few years in that chambering.
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What did the CZ do to you that you woulndn't take it hunting. It's a rifle, dammit, and a good one! So it might get it's hair mussed. It's a TOOL. You have a thing for odd calibers, why not see what the 9.3 will do? It's made for medium/ heavy game @ muzzle to medium range, no?
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What did the CZ do to you that you woulndn't take it hunting. It's a rifle, dammit, and a good one! So it might get it's hair mussed. It's a TOOL. You have a thing for odd calibers, why not see what the 9.3 will do? It's made for medium/ heavy game @ muzzle to medium range, no?
I'm certainly not afraid of taking it hunting, dude. It's been my primary elk rifle for the last 6 years. But this year's hunt will be different. I'll be using ky kayak to access some pretty remote places. The odds that gun will wind up immersed in a river are high. And depending on where exactly that happens brackish water is also very possible to be what it gets immersed in. If a gun is going to have that happen to it, I'd kinda rather it was one far less expensive to replace.
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Understood. Didn't mean to come of snarky. Mea Culpa. It just sounded like a hunt of a lifetime & I didn't grasp why you wouldn't take what sounded like a long time companion.
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No worries. You new-ish here and haven't gotten to know all of us just yet.
Depending on the money situation I might have to still take the CZ on this trip. A bore snake, rag, and a can of Corrosion-X and it would probably be OK.
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Oh, and this year will be very much experimental with the hunt. If all goes well (e.g. nobody drownes, and we don't lose half our stuff in the rivers) it will possibly become our annual hunt location/method. The 8-10 GMU's in that area ar all open for general season modern firearm elk hunting. As a bonus all those rivers are open for salmon during elk season. Cast-n-blast!
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No worries. You new-ish here and haven't gotten to know all of us just yet.
Depending on the money situation I might have to still take the CZ on this trip. A bore snake, rag, and a can of Corrosion-X and it would probably be OK.
Wood stock, eh? Don't forget to remove the bbl & action & other metal from the stock and use a sealer on the inside of the stock. Naval spar varnish has been traditional. Same thing under the butt plate. Then paste auto wax the entire stock. Then what you wrote for the metal bits. That worked for my perfectly sucky Rem700ADL stock. It remained perfectly sucky despite several days' soaking, but did not take on any water & swell.
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You dirty rats. I had forgotten how heartbroken I was to miss out on the last batch of CG63 rifles brought back. Boy, I wanted one of them bad.
As for the OP, I would suggest a used Ruger All Weather in .30-06 and stoke with 220gr pills. Also come in .300Winmag and .338Winmag if'n you can find one.
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Johnson's pastewax is the old school gun preservative of old duck hunters.
http://www.pledge.com/en-US/Products/Pages/paste-wax.aspx