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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on February 28, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/28/us/colorado-transgender-girl-school/
Should an elementary school allow a student with a male body use the female restroom because the student identifies as transgender? Interesting article, and I can see how difficult it is for the school to balance competing interests.
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This thread is doomed, because the answer will depend heavily on whether one thinks gender is biological or psychological.
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Gender is a grammatical attribute. Sex is biological. A person's "identification" is their own problem.
No offense to the legitimately transsexual/intersexual
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Gender is a grammatical attribute. Sex is biological. A person's "identification" is their own problem.
No offense to the legitimately transsexual/intersexual
In German, the word for "boy" is masculine, "girl" is neuter, and "turnip" is feminine. :facepalm:
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/28/us/colorado-transgender-girl-school/
Should an elementary school allow a student with a male body use the female restroom because the student identifies as transgender? Interesting article, and I can see how difficult it is for the school to balance competing interests.
The answer that will prevent this thread from spiraling into arguments is:
The government ought to get out of schooling so parents that want this kind of stuff in their schools can get it and those who don't can go somewhere else. Government, of course, offers no such options.
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The answer that will prevent this thread from spiraling into arguments is:
The government ought to get out of schooling so parents that want this kind of stuff in their schools can get it and those who don't can go somewhere else. Government, of course, offers no such options.
Unless, of course, the parents of this transgendered six year old insist of putting their s/he creature into a school that has a bunch of kids already enrolled whose parents don't want the s/he to be part of the school experience.
Sorry, I blame the parents of s/he here.
Kids don't know what transgenderism is, at age 6.
Purple haired "girl" is clearly a boy.
Whatever psychological confusion this is, will most likely COMPLETELY evaporate in the early teens when hormone production kicks in.
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In German, the word for "boy" is masculine, "girl" is neuter, and "turnip" is feminine. :facepalm:
No wonder they're screwed up.
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I've got a serious problem on this one. Mom says the child preferred girl clothes and toys at 18 onths. Mom also said that the child asked at age 4 when they could go to the doctor and make him into a girl. All of this sounds a hell of a lot like a parent problem. What 4 year old knows anything about sex change operations unless Momy and Daddy are discussing it with the child? Lots of young children play with cross-gender toys, or play in a anner typically associated with the other gender. Tomboy anyone? At what point in all of this does a proper parents suggest a sex change operation series to a child in kindergarten? Momm and Dad need looked at. Hard.
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I've got a serious problem on this one. Mom says the child preferred girl clothes and toys at 18 onths. Mom also said that the child asked at age 4 when they could go to the doctor and make him into a girl. All of this sounds a hell of a lot like a parent problem. What 4 year old knows anything about sex change operations unless Momy and Daddy are discussing it with the child? Lots of young children play with cross-gender toys, or play in a anner typically associated with the other gender. Tomboy anyone? At what point in all of this does a proper parents suggest a sex change operation series to a child in kindergarten? Momm and Dad need looked at. Hard.
This was my thinking. If the kid is Transgender, that strongly, that early I think a parent is living vicariously through him.
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Restrooms are built for specific excretory systems. It doesn't matter whether you flounce in or lumber in. Once upon a time such matters were the province of common sense, not victimology.
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:facepalm:
As a society, we spend far too much time worrying about and accommodating the sensibilities of the lunatic fringe.
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:facepalm:
As a society, we spend far too much time worrying about and accommodating the sensibilities of the lunatic fringe.
Yep.
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Let the kid use the boys bathroom.
2x4 for the asshat parents that have their 6 year old thinking he is a girl. They wanted a girl and got a boy, boo *expletive deleted*ing hoo. Doesn't give them the right to mentally *expletive deleted*ck up the kid.
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Let the kid use the boys bathroom.
2x4 for the asshat parents that have their 6 year old thinking he is a girl. They wanted a girl and got a boy, boo *expletive deleted* hoo. Doesn't give them the right to mentally *expletive deleted* up the kid.
They also want to physically *expletive deleted*ck up their kid. If he's really transgendered let him make that decision when he"s 18. Cause I can tell you that if I had freak parents who cut my twig and berries off when i was in Kindergarten and didnt know what they were for at that time...Id *expletive deleted*ing stab them in their sleep.
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Porta pottie outside and emptied when it fills up.
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Porta pottie outside and emptied when it fills up.
Since the school already offered to let him use two different single occupancy restrooms and the kid's parents weren't mollified, i'd bet a port-a-potty outside wouldn't fly either.
I don't have kids.....but if I have to wonder if the parents of girl's in that school aren't looking into what kinds of lawsuits/criminal charges could stem from knowingly allowing a boy into a batroom with young girls.
And even though it's not an issue now, long before he can get an operation puberty will be advanced enough to make using a girl's restroom a sex offender issue.
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the school already offered to let him use two different single occupancy restrooms and the kid's parents weren't mollified
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Time to bring back spanking, and use it on the parents >:D
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Time to bring back spanking, and use it on the parents >:D
And . . . if they like it? :O
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When did individualism turn into victimology? I thought our leftist brothers believed in the collective? But they want all of us to change because of the caprices of one outlier? This is mass cultural insanity.
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What I can't wait for in this mess is when a hundred or so other parents start a sh!t storm for the school letting a boy use the girls bathroom with their daughters. Yes, this Mom and Dad have been loud, but I guarantee a 100 pissed off moms and dads can (and will) be louder...
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One small issue with a response: "s/he creature".
You do NOT call a six-year old a "creature", no matter how screwed-up the parents are.
And, as others have said: this is coming from the parents. I noticed their names weren't mentioned: any bets that it's a lesbian couple, or a woman and bi guy?
I've seen homosexual couples raise healthy kids: trick is, they don't turn the kid into a political statement. And that's what's going on here...
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The article indicates it's a hetero couple with several other kids...
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Restrooms are built for specific excretory systems. It doesn't matter whether you flounce in or lumber in. Once upon a time such matters were the province of common sense, not victimology.
Never having actually been in a womans restroom, but I believe they have sit down toilets, which males also use.
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The school attempted to make allownces for the kid to use the single occupancy facilities.
IIRC, most public mens rooms have at least one sit down toliet with a stall.
If the kid has a problem using the urinals, he has other options and at this point, I hesitate to feed into the transgender role. The kid is 6. Exploration, even of oppisette gender roles is normal. Gender determination and sexual identity won't be all that relvent or clear for some time. Hindsight 20/20, many LBGT people knew when they were kids that they were diffrent, but didn't understand the diffrences at the time.
Parents need to stop pushing that kid and just let him develope as he will within the current gender culture in this society. If he chooses to identify diffrently, he can and will in his own time.
Finally, I distinctly remember then when I was that age, when I had to go, I had to go, and getting to a toliet was a hell of a lot more important then gender. I'm pretty sure, when push comes to shove, the kid is going to find a facility to use or wet his pants. If the parents REALLY want their presious baby to feel comfortable at school, they wouldn't screw him up so crazy that he'll end up peeing himself trying to figure out where to go and spend the rest of his school days with his peers tormenting him for it (along with everything else)
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What exactly is the problem with prepubescent children sharing lavatories?
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Is transgendered an actual scientific term or is it a just another pop psychology term?
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You haven't read about little girls performing oral sex on little boys..... There are a lot of sick people out there and sick parents breed sick children.
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Is transgendered an actual scientific term or is it a just another pop psychology term?
It is a recognized term and diagnosis in healthcare. It is by no means a pop psychology or sociology term.
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It is a recognized term and diagnosis in healthcare. It is by no means a pop psychology or sociology term.
Given the caveat that all psychological diagnoses (yes, DSM, I am looking at you) are subject to political manipulation and much of psychology does not qualify as science.
Other than that small understanding, it is sound as houses.
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Well, I guess it is a nicer way to describe gender confusion than calling it gender confused.
The post modern cultural balkanization of our society marches forward!
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I've known a few transgendered. Many have said they knew "at an early age". A few though have flat-out stated that young children "knowing" THAT early is complete BS
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You haven't read about little girls performing oral sex on little boys.....
You're right, those aren't the sort of books I read. :police:
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I've known a few transgendered. Many have said they knew "at an early age". A few though have flat-out stated that young children "knowing" THAT early is complete BS
*shrug* a lot of people of alternate sexuality and gender idenitity claim to have known they were diffrent at a very young age.
I think this is one of those cases of hindsight is 20/20. They may have known they were diffrent than the people around them. I highly doubt they understood why.
At 6, I think the question of this childs gender is pretty much up in the air till he hits puberty.
Regardless, a child of 6 should not be making any decisions that have lifelong ramifications beyond his comprehension, which is pretty much everything and any parent pushing for such has issues.
They more I think about this, though, the more peeved I get for the parents and the school and the media for totally disregarding the childs right for privacy, especially concerning such a private matter.
This is a case that is supporting LBGTT rights. It's the explotation of a child by his parents for 15 seconds of controversy.
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There is "name your child with an obvious bullscat pseudo-african name" screwing up of your kid's life(1).
There is "have your kids sing and burn music CDs with white supremacist lyrics" screwing up of your kid's life(2).
Those are mere parental misdemeanors compared to the "have your child persist in acting as the opposite sex to the point of suing the school district for not allowing the midget psychological experiment gone wrong to use the other sex's toilet(3)."
Last time I read about this sort of thing, the parents were a couple of nitwit psychologists treating their kid's psyche as a glory hole.
(1) "Don't toss my resume into the trash because my name is 'Douchewanda N'tels Hittay Johnson.' I just want a job to pay for school."
(2) "Please, that was the idea of my crazy parents, who I haven't seen since I left their compound 8 years ago. I just want to do your taxes, I don;t care what color you are as long as your cash is green."
(3) "Does this job come with mental health insurance? Yeah, I have been in therapy since I beat my folks to death with an old copy of the DSM-II. Luckily, I killed them in Texas, and the jury came back with a verdict of, 'Justifiable by reason of they needed killin''"
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You know, I'll usually disagree with Roo_ster, almost out of principal. But the above is all too damn accurate...
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There is "name your child with an obvious bullscat pseudo-african name" screwing up of your kid's life(1).
There is "have your kids sing and burn music CDs with white supremacist lyrics" screwing up of your kid's life(2).
Those are mere parental misdemeanors compared to the "have your child persist in acting as the opposite sex to the point of suing the school district for not allowing the midget psychological experiment gone wrong to use the other sex's toilet(3)."
Last time I read about this sort of thing, the parents were a couple of nitwit psychologists treating their kid's psyche as a glory hole.
(1) "Don't toss my resume into the trash because my name is 'Douchewanda N'tels Hittay Johnson.' I just want a job to pay for school."
(2) "Please, that was the idea of my crazy parents, who I haven't seen since I left their compound 8 years ago. I just want to do your taxes, I don;t care what color you are as long as your cash is green."
(3) "Does this job come with mental health insurance? Yeah, I have been in therapy since I beat my folks to death with an old copy of the DSM-II. Luckily, I killed them in Texas, and the jury came back with a verdict of, 'Justifiable by reason of they needed killin''"
^this
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You haven't read about little girls performing oral sex on little boys..... There are a lot of sick people out there and sick parents breed sick children.
Unfortunately, I have. Too many times for a lifetime. Way too many police reports about child molestors, and their victims becoming the aggressor...
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You know, I'll usually disagree with Roo_ster, almost out of principal. But the above is all too damn accurate...
And judging by his avatar, he looks a lot like like a reincarnation of H. L. Mencken . . . ;)