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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on March 05, 2013, 03:47:46 PM
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I've been looking at some of the local auctions on here, and wondering about possibly signing up and bidding on them. I'm primarily interested in selling stuff off for scrap, although Lord knows if a passel of x1 fired brass came up I'd not be opposed to snagging that. :) I was wondering if anyone else has bought from them, and what your experience has been? Also, is selling for scrap considered "re-selling" or "end use?" What exactly do they consider to be "mutilation", which is a requirement for a lot of stuff before they'll release it to you? https://www.govliquidation.com/
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I looked ate that site quite awhile ago and most of the auctions were weird and had alot of strings or crap attached.
Like
Up for bid, lot 12345 1 6x6 missing engine transmission and tires also 500 old filing cabinets. Located in bumble scum. Must remove within 10 minutes of auction ending.
Stuff like that.
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Let's put it this way, if they are anything like my agency selling off surplus crap you don't want anything to do with it.
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I watch the site pretty regularly. It's the modern incarnation of DRMO. I don't have any first hand knowlegde but the restrictions are similar to what was in place when DRMO handled the sales directly
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Have used it a few times. The local DRMO here allows you to view the equipment prior to sale. Buddy got a group of nice Vidmar bins from there at dirt cheap prices.
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Let's put it this way, if they are anything like my agency selling off surplus crap you don't want anything to do with it.
Why is that? If the idea is just to sell whatever I get for its value as scrap metal it'd seem like the condition of the items wouldn't be an issue. Or is the buying process itself objectionable?
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When I was in Montana I talked a doc I worked with into buying an M35 (truck). It was one with a winch, the bows and a cover, not a bad deal for the 2500 he paid for it. It even had fuel in it. All he had to do was replace the batteries, it started up and he drove it 60 miles to home. We have used it is several parades and as a camping truck a few times.
I have used the companion site, uncle sam's retail outlet, and bought K-Bars, computer speakers and a few other things. I have no complaints. I have wanted to bid on lots of ammo cans and hit a few gun shows, but where can I put that many ammo cans imbetween shows?
bob
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When I was in Montana I talked a doc I worked with into buying an M35 (truck). It was one with a winch, the bows and a cover, not a bad deal for the 2500 he paid for it. It even had fuel in it. All he had to do was replace the batteries, it started up and he drove it 60 miles to home. We have used it is several parades and as a camping truck a few times.
I have used the companion site, uncle sam's retail outlet, and bought K-Bars, computer speakers and a few other things. I have no complaints. I have wanted to bid on lots of ammo cans and hit a few gun shows, but where can I put that many ammo cans imbetween shows?
bob
Didn;t someone around here write they were fine with .gov dumping a truckload of once-fired brass on his front lawn? I bet he won;t mind a few ammo cans.
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272 lbs. (approx) 40 cal. fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of FC70 40 S&W, WCC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5000 272 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
645 lbs. (approx) 5.56 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of LC01. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel and 1 ammo can on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5001 645 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
518 lbs. (approx) 7.62 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of LC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5002 518 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
750 lbs. (approx) 9 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of WCC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel and 3 ammo cans on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5003 750 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
I could probably buy one or all of those if folks were interested. I worked on the base in question, it's not that far. Current bid is $50 per. Worst case, I'd have to rent a truck.
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I'd love to buy the brass but there is no where close for me to be able to pick it up. Well, that and where would I store that much?
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272 lbs. (approx) 40 cal. fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of FC70 40 S&W, WCC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5000 272 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
645 lbs. (approx) 5.56 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of LC01. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel and 1 ammo can on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5001 645 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
518 lbs. (approx) 7.62 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of LC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5002 518 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
750 lbs. (approx) 9 MM fired brass casings,cartridges have a head stamp marking of WCC. Lot may contain cartridges with other markings, stored in 1 barrel and 3 ammo cans on 1 pallet which are included in the weight.All certified inert by the government.Mutilation not required.GL will provide tail gate loading
8815 5003 750 lbs. $0.00 Mechanicsburg, PA 03/08/2013 03/12/2013 05:00PM
I could probably buy one or all of those if folks were interested. I worked on the base in question, it's not that far. Current bid is $50 per. Worst case, I'd have to rent a truck.
Effing dangerous... If the predictions the ammo market wouldn't catch up for two years, getting in trouble for needing a type 6, 7, or 10 FFL. =D
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I'd love to buy the brass but there is no where close for me to be able to pick it up. Well, that and where would I store that much?
I could easily store that. It's only a couple barrels. I currently don't reload, and more importantly, from what I understand, components are essentially unobtainable. Primers especially.
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I could easily store that. It's only a couple barrels. I currently don't reload, and more importantly, from what I understand, components are essentially unobtainable. Primers especially.
This. Plus I lack a progressive press, stocking up on brass like that is bass-ackwards if I'm out of everything else too.
I figure that a listing in WI will show up sooner or later for a barrel of brass from Fort McCoy or something, and I'd be able to outbid the commercial reloaders, but still come out way ahead than buying it retail, and be set for 5.56 brass for life.
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Rev,
I'm in for either/both Lake City 5.56mm and 7.62mm brass, but we should get a collective here on APS to make it easier.
BTW, I've purchased a bunch of that 7.62mm NATO brass before. It took some serious resizing, my guess is that the M60 chambers run LOOSE on the tolerances.
I have a friend near me who's getting out of the reloading business. He's got a like-new Hornady Lock-n-Load progressive setup, with all the goodies that he wants to sell. Once I get specifics, I'll try to post in the For Sale side of the forum.
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Why do they not have any prices?
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Why do they not have any prices?
No bids yet. Minimum is $50 per.
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No bids yet. Minimum is $50 per.
Oh.
I'm in northern VA (well, i will be again on the 15th). I would be willing to pick this up or assist anyone picking it up. Don't reload myself, but if any of you folks in the area need help, lemme know
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I'm in for a split of the 7.62 and 9mm.
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I'm in for a split of 7.62, 9mm and 40cal
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Well, cost at the moment would be $200 plus a truck rental. Unless anyone wants to volunteer their pickup truck. I can buy the brass and store. Ship too, I suppose. Truck rental would probably be the only annoying part.
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Well, cost at the moment would be $200 plus a truck rental. Unless anyone wants to volunteer their pickup truck. I can buy the brass and store. Ship too, I suppose. Truck rental would probably be the only annoying part.
I may or may not be in town, so coordinate my part with fitz.
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One note, it will require an end user certificate. Which means I'll have to certify I'm a US person, and the contents will not end up overseas. No biggie, but theoretically could take up to 60 days.
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One note, it will require an end user certificate. Which means I'll have to certify I'm a US person, and the contents will not end up overseas. No biggie, but theoretically could take up to 60 days.
For possible future reference, if I manage to immigrate to the US one day, would one be required to be a citizen to get an end user certificate, or is a green card enough?
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For possible future reference, if I manage to immigrate to the US one day, would one be required to be a citizen to get an end user certificate, or is a green card enough?
Not an answer, but you should :)
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For possible future reference, if I manage to immigrate to the US one day, would one be required to be a citizen to get an end user certificate, or is a green card enough?
US person.
U.S. citizens, aliens who are “Lawful Permanent Residents” (Green Card), (8 USC § 1101(a)(20)) or other “Protected Individuals” under the Immigration and Naturalization Act (8 USC §1324b(a)(3)) designated an asylee, refugee, or a temporary resident under amnesty provisions qualify as US persons.
On the plus side, buying live ammo is a hell of a lot easier than buying spent brass from the government ;/
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Not an answer, but you should :)
Emigrate/immigrate?
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I'd be in for a partial share of one of those barrels.
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Emigrate/immigrate?
Yes.
I mean, it depends on what you are looking for, but I like my country, and think there are opportunities here you can't get anywhere else.
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Yes.
I mean, it depends on what you are looking for, but I like my country, and think there are opportunities here you can't get anywhere else.
Absolutely. I'm just trying to figure out how (to immigrate). =)
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9mm please. Not a lot. Couple thousand?
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9mm please. Not a lot. Couple thousand?
Well, 500lbs of brass is 35-50,000 for each of those calibers. I'd like at least 10k of each...(9/40/5.56/7.62), so put me down for 1/5th of the total
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Well, 500lbs of brass is 35-50,000 for each of those calibers. I'd like at least 10k of each...(9/40/5.56/7.62), so put me down for 1/5th of the total
How much would this be? I'd be willing to PAY for a chunk of your brass in exchange for an eventual delivery of a smaller amount of loaded FMJ.
How much brass would i need to pay for to be worth , say, 2000 rounds of both 9mm and 5.56?
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How much would this be? I'd be willing to PAY for a chunk of your brass in exchange for an eventual delivery of a smaller amount of loaded FMJ.
How much brass would i need to pay for to be worth , say, 2000 rounds of both 9mm and 5.56?
Infinity, unfortunately. Even with a progressive, you are looking at a minimum of 4-8hrs of work...I'm looking at the brass as basically my own personal "inexhaustible supply"...not to immediately reload.
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Alright, I'll bid on the stuff and likely rent a Penske truck to collect if I win the auction. Costs on that will be probably around $100-200, with fuel being another $50. So total should be under $450 at the cheapest. Ish. I'm also looking into a shipping company that can do the leg work for me, if they're cheap enough, I'll go with them to save me hassle. Essentially "pricing" will be unknown but theoretically yielding about 150,000 brass. Or $0.003 per piece of brass. Mind you, drum weight and ammo cans are included in weight. Ammo cans are mine, obviously.
If and when I get the brass, we can argue about who gets what and what cost.
Theoretically, the melt value is about $4k. ;)
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Put me down for a 2,000-3,000 5.56mm.
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If and when I get the brass, we can argue about who gets what and what cost.
I'd be open to a few thousand 5.56, 7.62 and 9mm depending on cost. Good luck!
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Alright, I'll bid on the stuff and likely rent a Penske truck to collect if I win the auction. Costs on that will be probably around $100-200, with fuel being another $50. So total should be under $450 at the cheapest. Ish. I'm also looking into a shipping company that can do the leg work for me, if they're cheap enough, I'll go with them to save me hassle. Essentially "pricing" will be unknown but theoretically yielding about 150,000 brass. Or $0.003 per piece of brass. Mind you, drum weight and ammo cans are included in weight. Ammo cans are mine, obviously.
If and when I get the brass, we can argue about who gets what and what cost.
Theoretically, the melt value is about $4k. ;)
Then I would imagine it will go for $1500-2000. Considering there are scrap yards that will pay 50-75% of melt, and a truck is cheap.
In any case, say its $500 per barrel, its still on the order of <$0.01/case, which makes it reasonable.
I would say don't bid it over $1600 for a barrel each of the big 4, ($400/barrel), and go from there.
If you really want to make money off it, get yourself a harvey deprimer, a few Netflix movies, and deprime the brass...while doing a quick visual insoection, and then sell it as sorted, deprimed, once fired brass. Get a power primer pocket cutter and cut the crimps out, and then you would be really good. You'd easily make back any investment.
I will take 10k of all 4 calibers (9/40/5.56/7.62)
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Infinity, unfortunately. Even with a progressive, you are looking at a minimum of 4-8hrs of work...I'm looking at the brass as basically my own personal "inexhaustible supply"...not to immediately reload.
Show me how to do it, allow me access to your stuff?
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Show me how to do it, allow me access to your stuff?
Possible. Or if you have the time, I can teach you and fund a setup in exchange for completed ammo. Or at least split some of the prep work inexchange for tooling :)
Cart before the horse. After this month, lets talk.
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I might have a handheld Lee press I can send Fitz' way if he wants to just learn the basics.
Rev, let us know what your high bid limit would be, and what you need for front money.
I have a pickup that would be available, albeit in Wisconsin. =|
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I would be *very* interested in a chunk of the 5.56 brass... Maybe around 3k pieces?
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I'm in for several hundred dollars worth, mostly of the 7.62.
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I'm assuming the7.62 is x 54 not x39
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I'm also assuming there's a wafflehouse meet figured into the delivery. ;)
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I'm assuming the7.62 is x 54 not x39
I'd assume it was x51, since I doubt the PA folks are shooting Mosins. :laugh:
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Remember folks, military primers! Need a deswage tool!
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/447022/rcbs-primer-pocket-swager-combo
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Says "Discontinued by Manufacturer".
These are still in stock:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/176759/hornady-primer-pocket-reamer-tool-large
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/599554/lyman-primer-pocket-cleaner-small
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I'd assume it was x51, since I doubt the PA folks are shooting Mosins. :laugh:
I was close... :P
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I was close... :P
:laugh:
Well, its technically 7.62x54R...the letter is -somewhat- important =D
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Well, its technically 7.62x54R...the letter is -somewhat- important =D
Not according to AMSAA.
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Well, if you load a heavy bullet, and a really big compressed load of Bullseye in 7.62x51, it might fire-form to a 7.62x54R chamber, right?
Right? [tinfoil]
No, don't do this, of course.
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I'll be in for some of the .40
I don't really have space right now, but I was getting a storage unit anyway so what better use for it than brass.
I'm not set up for 5.56 so if others need that first, I'm happy to defer on that until those who are have spoken for it.
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You guys are making me jealous that I'm not able to get in on this because I don't have the: space to store multiple thousands of cases/reloading equipment to load these cases/money to acquire reloading equipment/time to load ammunition. =(
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You guys are making me jealous that I'm not able to get in on this because I don't have the: space to store multiple thousands of cases/reloading equipment to load these cases/money to acquire reloading equipment/time to load ammunition. =(
Don't worry. I turned 21 just before the '94 AWB and was living at home. I know exactly how you feel.
Between school and living arrangement's and your finances, it seems like you're doomed, but things will get better. It looks now like the worst we face on the federal front is closing private sales without an FFL/NICS, and even that gets to be more of an uphill battle every day and just dying in the face of the other fiscal matters, or SHTF with Iran, NK, Venezuela, or whatever...
And WI looks safe for the time being with the GOP in full control.
And instead of the scarcity caused by actual legislation, this panic crunch right now is boosting the industry to be in a stronger position in the long run, and for there to be deals and guns you haven't even thought of yet when the time comes.
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A couple hundred rounds is just a few coffee (the new plastic ones) cans. Shirley (Ha!!) you have room for that?
=D
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I might have a handheld Lee press I can send Fitz' way if he wants to just learn the basics.
Rev, let us know what your high bid limit would be, and what you need for front money.
I have a pickup that would be available, albeit in Wisconsin. =|
Gewehr, I know I asked a long time ago. Mind PM'ing me the info on that again? I finally have the space for a full reloading setup. But I wouldn't mind one of those hand presses for entertainment and "never know" circumstances. If need be, willing to trade shipped brass for handheld press. =D
I dunno. $100 ish per, $150 maybe? $200 maybe for the big ones... It closes in 5 days, and it's currently at "zero". Minimum bid is $50 per. So, we'll see.
Then I would imagine it will go for $1500-2000. Considering there are scrap yards that will pay 50-75% of melt, and a truck is cheap.
In any case, say its $500 per barrel, its still on the order of <$0.01/case, which makes it reasonable.
I would say don't bid it over $1600 for a barrel each of the big 4, ($400/barrel), and go from there.
If you really want to make money off it, get yourself a harvey deprimer, a few Netflix movies, and deprime the brass...while doing a quick visual insoection, and then sell it as sorted, deprimed, once fired brass. Get a power primer pocket cutter and cut the crimps out, and then you would be really good. You'd easily make back any investment.
I will take 10k of all 4 calibers (9/40/5.56/7.62)
You're right about scrap yards. But I am building a forge for aluminum, zinc and brass. So it's more of an "internal" worth. Brass ingots are going at $7-9 per lb. Bar stock is slightly more. (For minimal amounts, obviously gets more economical in large orders) Any junk cases (crushed, mutilated, blanks, etc) that can't be reloaded will be melted down for casting ingots. I could ebay or craigslist the ingots at well above what scrap yards would pay. My cost would be propane. Reminds me, I should set up a begging entry on the classified sections of the firearms boards I visit/moderate. "Worthless brass wanted for mad engineering, will pay minimum dollar. Red shirt uniforms provided for free."
And you know, honestly, I was pondering that myself. I can buy a tumbler and deprimer, for fairly cheap directly from Cabelas. Maybe a deswage tool or "power primer pocket cutter", but dunno. Cleaning, sorting, depriming can basically be done by any idiot. Cutting/reaming new primer pockets should be done with some level of competency, which I likely have and could verify in ten minutes, but ... ehhh. I'll look into it after. Best plans are kept simple in their beginnings, and then you take bonus opportunities as they arise.
You guys are making me jealous that I'm not able to get in on this because I don't have the: space to store multiple thousands of cases/reloading equipment to load these cases/money to acquire reloading equipment/time to load ammunition. =(
I can only afford A and C at some expense at D, working on B. I bought a cheap house in need of repair because of the decent location and very decent land. So, while it's not as "visitor impressive" out the gate as new built barely affordable, it works for me. If I was married, probably wouldn't have gone with what I got. Unmarried militant geek? Works very nicely. And I'm prettying up the place. Next project is "the man cave", so to speak. And landscaping.
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A couple hundred rounds is just a few coffee (the new plastic ones) cans. Shirley (Ha!!) you have room for that?
=D
Sure, I could shove it in some corner somewhere, but I'm actively de-cluttering right now since I have the bad habit of acquiring cheap but useful stuff that "I might use someday." Can't do that forever without running out of living space. :facepalm:
If I'm not able to use it soon, I'm not acquiring it, and I'm not currently able to do B, C, and D on my list above. Plus, I have several thousand rounds of NATO 9mm, of which I will be saving the cases as I shoot it up, so there's no point in acquiring more brass right now. If I had a house with a garage/basement it would be a different story.
Still though, it's pretty cool that this forum can get together and spontaneously assemble a group buy of .gov brass in such a way that benefits everyone. :) We've got a great group of folks here.
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http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6108496&convertTo=USD#auction_tabs
:facepalm:
THAT one comes in ammo cans, not barrels. Gee, nice them to put it 32 days out. Bah.
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Bunch of brass here in Yuma too. Anyone in Arizona wanna go in on this?
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IIRC, pallets weigh about 40-45 lbs. 55 gallon drums weigh ~35 lbs (sans lid). So deduct that from the per pallet/barrel weight.
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I've got the ones in Yuma on my watch list.
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IIRC, pallets weigh about 40-45 lbs. 55 gallon drums weigh ~35 lbs (sans lid). So deduct that from the per pallet/barrel weight.
Little heavy for white wood, more like 35ish. If they use CHEP, PECO, or other block pallets figure on 55-60.
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I would love me a 5 gallon bucket or two of LC 5.56, but the transportation costs pretty much are a deal-breaker. (Logistics have a way of screwing up the best plans)
Besides, with the current conditions, the temptation might be too great to go into the unlicensed ammo bidness if I had that much brass. I have the powder and primers already, and enough projectiles to make it interesting for a little while.
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I would love me a 5 gallon bucket or two of LC 5.56, but the transportation costs pretty much are a deal-breaker. (Logistics have a way of screwing up the best plans)
Besides, with the current conditions, the temptation might be too great to go into the unlicensed ammo bidness if I had that much brass. I have the powder and primers already, and enough projectiles to make it interesting for a little while.
Just get a bunch of ammo boxes printed up that says "Bloomberg Remanufactured Ammo Co. NY, NY". =)
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Ouch! The 5.56 brass at Yuma is already bid to $1,990 for 1,600 lbs, $3,900 for 2,980 lbs and higher on the others. It doesn't end til 3/12/13.... :O
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Yeah, that's why I think Rev might get surprised closer to the end of his auction. =(
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I was looking, the bidding on those auctions at $0 hadn't even started yet. Once they opened up they went pretty high immediately. http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=results&words=brass&EqlExpression=((P_Event_Id%3E=8000)%20and%20(P_Event_Id%3C=8999))
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Yeah, that's why I think Rev might get surprised closer to the end of his auction. =(
Ayep. Checked today. Too high, not worth it for me. They're at $2-4/lb. Not worth it. Was fun to drool over, and I'll keep an eye on for possible future.
Sad thing is, there's even odds it's someone that will melt it down and sell it as scrap/ingots.
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Sad thing is, there's even odds it's someone that will melt it down and sell it as scrap/ingots...
to China =(
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Maybe. Could be somebody like www.brassmanbrass.com keeping business going, too.
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Ayep. Checked today. Too high, not worth it for me. They're at $2-4/lb. Not worth it. Was fun to drool over, and I'll keep an eye on for possible future.
Sad thing is, there's even odds it's someone that will melt it down and sell it as scrap/ingots.
Told ya.
At $4/lb, 7.62 brass is $0.04-0.05 each. Worth it, maybe. But probably not unless you have an industrial deswage/cull/etc thing going.
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Told ya.
At $4/lb, 7.62 brass is $0.04-0.05 each. Worth it, maybe. But probably not unless you have an industrial deswage/cull/etc thing going.
Na, I'm not surprised. Looking over sales, it seems to really vary by region. Some places are going for $1-2 per lb, which is what I'd expect. Others, $3-5 ish. It's not an insane steal at the upper end of the margin. As you said, unless they have an industrial production line of some sort... That's a lot of work. And nearly too high for "scrap" prices, unless you are the person refining and reselling the brass.
Brass itself is selling at $6-10 per pound, depending on volume and form (ingots, bar stock, etc). So, there's margins. But not an insane one on the upper scale, once you add in taxes, transportation, etc.
Anniston, AL looks like the most high volume and lowest price location. We have anyone in that neck of the woods?
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Anniston, AL looks like the most high volume and lowest price location. We have anyone in that neck of the woods?
Yep, close enough to help out, anyway. Have my macho truck + utility trailer.
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Yep, close enough to help out, anyway. Have my macho truck + utility trailer.
Interested in brokering brass? =D