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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: drewtam on April 18, 2013, 03:25:09 PM
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Illinois's concealed carry bill version supported by Illinois Carry & ISRA & NRA will be voted on in the next few hours.
The bill has been posted online, but the main lobbyist on our side has requested a specifics discussion blackout until the bill is voted. We don't want to give the other side any heads up on things our side put in or complaints that they can tighten or pivot on.
Situation:
-Fed appeals court said we need some kind of carry by June 9th, that is when Unlawful Use of Weapon is struck and we go to Constitution carry if nothing is passed
-Senate is expected to follow lead of House
-Homerule: we need 71/118* votes to have all state pre-emption (super duper majority)
-Both House and Senate are super majority Dem, with anti Gov and anti speaker of House
-House votes- last time around on this we were like 3-5 votes short of 71, today we give it another go
-Past few weeks we have been battling and beating some bad bills (may issue, carve outs for chi-town, public transport, and similar), we got the majority votes to prevent something bad, but not quite enough to pass something good
-With constitution carry clock winding down, here is hoping the leverage is good enough to push through a good bill
*Edited to correct: There are 118 State Representatives, not 100. There are also 59 State Senators. Don't ask me why such odd numbers. - Scout26
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Other places I'm reading about this are saying 60% to override home rule. You're saying it's 71%?
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(g) The General Assembly by a law approved by the vote
of three-fifths of the members elected to each house may deny
or limit the power to tax and any other power or function of
a home rule unit not exercised or performed by the State
other than a power or function specified in subsection (l) of
this section.
Illinois Constitution
http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con7.htm
3/5*118 = 70.8
It needs 71 votes for pre-emption.
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Oh, OK.
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I've been buried in a basement all afternoon. Anything happen? Time to go check illinoiscarry, I guess.
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*Edited to correct: There are 118 State Representatives, not 100. There are also 59 State Senators. Don't ask me why such odd numbers. - Scout26
This is Illinois. I'm sure there's a bad reason that benefits someone in Chicago.
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The only news so far is that they passed a bill stripping elected officials of concealed carry and other police powers. They therefore must get concealed carry like the rest of us, or none at all.
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When last I checked they were debating about condos.
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http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36817&st=660 (http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36817&st=660)
Sounds like interesting stuff is happening right this instant.
This here's supposed to be the feed: http://ilga.gov/house/audvid.asp# (http://ilga.gov/house/audvid.asp#).
http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream/events/2036096 (http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream/events/2036096)
And, Illinoicarry is giving me "service unavailable". I'm hanging it up for a while.
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I'm watching the live stream of the House. They are "debating" the cc bill right now.
http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream/events/2036096
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Bill failed to surpass homerule...
64/45/5
Looks like Illinois is headed for Constitution carry on June 9th.
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Bill failed to surpass homerule...
64/45/5
Looks like Illinois is headed for Constitution carry on June 9th.
This. 9 June can't get here soon enough. I'd like to thank all the Chicago Democrats for allowing me to stay $100 richer and able to constitutionally carry on my FOID card.
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The only news so far is that they passed a bill stripping elected officials of concealed carry and other police powers. They therefore must get concealed carry like the rest of us, or none at all.
Awesome. Any idea if that will become law?
Bill failed to surpass homerule...
64/45/5
Looks like Illinois is headed for Constitution carry on June 9th.
Are the Republicans spiking it in the Senate, or something? Why doesn't it go to the governor?
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No idea on how successful the stripping of police powers will be. Passed with simple majority, so probably won't survive veto.
HB997
Total
YES NO PRESENT NO VOTE
64 45 4 5
Republicans
YES NO PRESENT NO VOTE
47 0 0 0
Democrats
YES NO PRESENT NO VOTE
17 45 4 5
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Awesome. Any idea if that will become law?
Are the Republicans spiking it in the Senate, or something? Why doesn't it go to the governor?
It didn't pass the house, the main sponsor (Phelps, D) withdrew it when it was obvious it didn't have the votes.
If it don't get 71, it fails as written.
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http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75580823/
:P
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http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75580823/
:P
The political leadership are staying strong so far. The platform is that Chicago carve out is not on the table. May issue is not on the table. Our side would rather go to court order conceal/open carry and fight city by city.
When the anti-liberty folks ran a may issue bill a few weeks ago, we killed it. They only got 34 out of 118 yes votes.
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=D
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The political leadership are staying strong so far. The platform is that Chicago carve out is not on the table. May issue is not on the table. Our side would rather go to court order conceal/open carry and fight city by city.
When the anti-liberty folks ran a may issue bill a few weeks ago, we killed it. They only got 34 out of 118 yes votes.
It turned into such an abortion of a bill that Bivins withdrew his sponsorship and support. It's essentially dead. Right now, it's just a waiting game. And if they do manage to pass a Chicago/Cook county "carve out/may issue" bill, it will be ruled unconstitutional by a pissed off 7th Circuit so fast, it'll make Quinn's, Cullerton's, and both Madigans' heads spin.
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it'll make Quinn's, Cullerton's, and both Madigans' heads spin.
A full 360 followed by projectile vomiting?
Hopefully Little Lisa's latest (http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37250) is a brief speedbump.
We have been notified that the IL Att. General Lisa Madigan has filed for a 30 day extension to petition for cert to the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Moore/Shepard vs Madigan.
Will post the document as it becomes available.
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I've been following this with baited breath also.
What you usin for bait? I use beer myself.
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Less than a month now:
http://illinoisconcealedcarrycountdown.com/
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Under four weeks. Tick, tick, tick.
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I figured that until about 1 April to get legislation passed so that they could have something/a system up and running by 9 June. Since we are now under 30 days, there's no way they can get forms printed, rules formulated, an office staffed and (somewhat) organized, considering the bang up job they are doing with the FOID cards. ;/
It's now at the point where we'll get court carry and any attempt to try to pass anything after 9 June will be killed dead in the legislature.
They had their chance and they blew it. Once people get a taste of freedom (with the only requirement being a FOID card), there will be no going backwards.
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I figured that until about 1 April to get legislation passed so that they could have something/a system up and running by 9 June. Since we are now under 30 days, there's no way they can get forms printed, rules formulated, an office staffed and (somewhat) organized, considering the bang up job they are doing with the FOID cards. ;/
It's now at the point where we'll get court carry and any attempt to try to pass anything after 9 June will be killed dead in the legislature.
They had their chance and they blew it. Once people get a taste of freedom (with the only requirement being a FOID card), there will be no going backwards.
Now that sounds awesome. Some, more pessimistic, people have said it will not be so easy. They are saying that municipalities will have their little laws in place by the 9th, and anyone trying to carry will be held up in the courts. =(
http://hitnewsnow.blogspot.com/2013/05/scotus-grants-30-day-extension-to.html
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And all those little petty bureaucrats and elected pissants will be slapped with 1983 lawsuits so fast it will make their heads spin.
Pour Encourager les Autres.
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The court gave them six months, and they've pissed it away with foolishness.