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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: ssteven1 on April 19, 2013, 01:47:54 PM
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It is hard to understand how this became an issue to the point that the 8th grader was arrested. Seems crazy that they would do this from the information given.
http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt
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IF THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THE STORY it would seem that they have a good case against the school, the arresting officer, and the police department - false arrest, false charges, official oppression, etc.
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Arrested for what?????
$hit like this is why the system has such a crayy reputation, and those who work in it even worse.
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Arrested for what?????
$hit like this is why the system has such a crayy reputation, and those who work in it even worse.
"obstruction and disturbing the education process"
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Probably won't happen but I'd sure like to see the NRA step up on this one.
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In similar cases I have read about, the depiction of firearms on clothing often comes under the 'depiction of violence' category as forbidden wear. I clicked on the link and saw that the t-shirt depicted an AR-15. Piss poor judgment, in my opinion, for the student to wear something like that so soon after Newtown. Does it rise to an arrestable offense, I would like to hear more of the story before forming an opinion.
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That it could even be considered an arrestable offense at all shows how utterly stupid and nonsensical our society has become.
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I weep for our society where the mere depiction of an inanimate object that someone used to do something bad is considered evil thought crime.
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I weep for our society where the mere depiction of an inanimate object that someone used to do something bad is considered evil thought crime.
But it does happen. Consider the swastika post 1930's.
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But it does happen. Consider the swastika post 1930's.
Yes, but such things were considered an offense against societal standards and good taste. Now they are criminal offenses.
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Yes, but such things were considered an offense against societal standards and good taste. Now they are criminal offenses.
The story is light on the details, but I suspect that the kid was arrested for more than merely wearing the shirt. I suspect he got into an argument or the like with the teacher, and that was the arrestable offense. The kid's father says that the kid was not aggressive, but as we often see, there are at least two sides to every story.
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But it does happen. Consider the swastika post 1930's.
Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.
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Could well be he got into some kind of dustup with the teacher. Used to be kids got sent to the principal's office when that happened. Parents called, kid sanctioned in some fashion, etc. It sure is different these days.
(Got paddled by the vice principal myself once or twice in high school. :angel: Them were the good ole days.)
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Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.
Oh, I don't disagree. But sometimes that concept gets lost in the shuffle. It would be as if you wore a t-shirt to school or the office depicting a flaming cross as a celebration of your Southern Scots-Irish ancestral rites. I suspect most people would draw a different interpretation, though.
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I sent an email to the reporter; told him the kid needs to contact thefire.org (I have no affiliation.) They love to handle 1st Amendment violations like this. I copied fire@thefire.org
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Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.
For many people, and many teachers, AR15's are the same sort of symbol.
The fact that that makes them bigoted and ignorant doesn't change they're emotional investment in the "evil assault weapon" idea.
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Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.
An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object. It's a symbol that stands for something.
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An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object. It's a symbol that stands for something.
It's a depiction of a neutral inanimate object (the rifle) which is being fussed at.
For many people, and many teachers, AR15's are the same sort of symbol.
The fact that that makes them bigoted and ignorant doesn't change they're emotional investment in the "evil assault weapon" idea.
And some teachers would undoubtedly find a pro-Jewish shirt just as offensive. Those people can suck it.
Oh, I don't disagree. But sometimes that concept gets lost in the shuffle. It would be as if you wore a t-shirt to school or the office depicting a flaming cross as a celebration of your Southern Scots-Irish ancestral rites. I suspect most people would draw a different interpretation, though.
Wow, that's kind of insulting to Southerners isn't it? That being said, still not the same thing, thanks for playing.
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Probably won't happen but I'd sure like to see the NRA ACLU step up on this one.
FIFY
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An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object. It's a symbol that stands for something.
I wore a Huldra Arms T-shirt in Jamaica (not a very pro-gun country) and got a lot of compliments on it :rofl:
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I wore a Huldra Arms T-shirt in Jamaica (not a very pro-gun country) and got a lot of compliments on it :rofl:
According to the Jamericans I've worked with Jamaica is a very pro-gun country, everyone who wants one, has one. Of course there is the law, but the place is so corrupt it doesn't get enforced unless selectively.
I made clay guns in middle school art class. I got permission to use a functional air rifle as partof a halloween costume. Carried a knife all high school. I did have two minor dust-ups with authorities, apparently it is frowned upon to disassemble the school bus with a swiss army knife. Also not the best to bring you improvised munitions FM into school to show a buddy. No doubt I'd be under the jail today.
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"obstruction and disturbing the education process"
So, is that a crime?
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I am starting to think this father (and other parents) need to be charge with child neglect... for putting their kids in public schools.
There is a significant home-school contingent in my social circles. Maybe my daughter needs to join them.
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I often wear my Celebrate Diversity T-shirt. There are several rows of firearms on the front of the shirt. =D
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And some teachers would undoubtedly find a pro-Jewish shirt just as offensive. Those people can suck it.
So, I take it we can count you as a staunch supporter of diversity of opinion? Or just opinions that you agree with?
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So, I take it we can count you as a staunch supporter of diversity of opinion? Or just opinions that you agree with?
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This from the guy equating AR15's with swastikas...
But yeah, if the kid was wearing a Che Guevera shirt or some other stupid nonsense I'd be opposed to him getting arrested for it.
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(Got paddled by the vice principal myself once or twice in high school. :angel: Them were the good ole days.)
Cute, was she? Ya know, the hot teacher/S&M fantasy isn't really all that rare. ;/
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Sometime back, a student came to class wearing a shirt depicting a huge revolver pointing directly forward at whomever was in front of him. I am sure that he wore it just to see if he could make me twitch.
I just said, " " Nice shirt."
He looked so disappointed.
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I am starting to think this father (and other parents) need to be charge with child neglect... for putting their kids in public schools.
There is a significant home-school contingent in my social circles. Maybe my daughter needs to join them.
Yup. Not even the districts that have managed to maintain some semblance of academic rigor can be trusted.
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"obstruction and disturbing the education process"
Obstruct & Disturb was my specialty in high school
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IF THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THE STORY it would seem that they have a good case against the school, the arresting officer, and the police department - false arrest, false charges, official oppression, etc.
I agree, but at this point, the only people that we have heard from is the family and their attorney.
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And by law the school has to keep quiet. Its a fact often exploited by a good lawyer.especially one trolling for a settlement. Once ot goes to discovery its fair game
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Follow up articles (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wva-middle-school-student-charged-after-refusing-to-take-off-nra-shirt/2013/04/21/924179e6-aac4-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html and others) make the point that the kid was asked to exchange the shirt or turn it inside out because a teacher felt the image depicted was violent and violated the dress code which forbade same. He refused and was sent to the office and the police were called after arguing with the teacher. The cops told the kid to sit down and shut up while they sorted things out and the kid refused. The police arrested him for obstruction.
But that story is not as exciting as ZOMG! Arrested only for wearing a shirt with Evil Black Rifles on it! Constitution trampled underfoot by nanny Statist schools!
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again the revolution dies aborning
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free speech is important, I'm glad he stood up for it as well as the NRA.
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free speech is important, I'm glad he stood up for it as well as the NRA.
free speech in school?
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20080915monday.html
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free speech in school?
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20080915monday.html
Yeah, now go read your own link.
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Whoa, someone refused to shut up when a cop told him to?!?!?! Damn terrorist.
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free speech in school?
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20080915monday.html
Yes, but while speech is limited in school, I fail to see how this shirt fell into one of the categories that can be banned.
That being said, the kid needs to learn some restraint. The side of me that sees the worst in people wonders if he was hoping to get arrested. "Youth gets arrested for wearing an NRA shirt" is much more exciting than "Youth gets sent to the office for wearing an NRA shirt."
The dad has a Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/blackriflear15
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http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764 (http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764)
BTDT. I forsee a school district getting spanked. The NRA has experiance with this particular type of spanking.
As for the arrest, depending on how mouthy the kid was, I can see it happening. Apparently no one explained to kiddo that mouthing off after the cops tell you to sit down and shutup is counter productive. It's really hard to deal with a situation like this rationally when you've got someone how will not take a chill pill.
I'm guessing you guys are unfamiliar with what a indignent preteen is fully capible of when feeling rightous and oppressed.
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I know what you're saying BSL.
kids do press boundaries, but there is a limited right to free speech in schools.
The NRA should win, NRA shirts are generally not really offensive. If the teacher is offended by NRA shirts he/she needs to get a life.
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Kid is back in class, wearing the same shirt. :rofl:
http://failover.washingtonpost.com/national/wva-teen-arrested-suspended-after-refusing-to-take-off-nra-t-shirt-returns-to-class/2013/04/22/5da91f90-ab6e-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html
According to the story, OTHER teens across that county are wearing similar shirts in support. :rofl:
They now claim the suspension was for "disrupting the educational process" but it seems to me that it was the teacher who confronted him who did the disrupting.
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Kid is back in class, wearing the same shirt. :rofl:
http://failover.washingtonpost.com/national/wva-teen-arrested-suspended-after-refusing-to-take-off-nra-t-shirt-returns-to-class/2013/04/22/5da91f90-ab6e-11e2-9493-2ff3bf26c4b4_story.html
According to the story, OTHER teens across that county are wearing similar shirts in support. :rofl:
They now claim the suspension was for "disrupting the educational process" but it seems to me that it was the teacher who confronted him who did the disrupting.
I completely agree with this.
What, wait? You mean the kid was suspended. I thought you meant the teacher and educrat.
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http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764 (http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764)
BTDT. I forsee a school district getting spanked. The NRA has experiance with this particular type of spanking.
As for the arrest, depending on how mouthy the kid was, I can see it happening. Apparently no one explained to kiddo that mouthing off after the cops tell you to sit down and shutup is counter productive. It's really hard to deal with a situation like this rationally when you've got someone how will not take a chill pill.
I'm guessing you guys are unfamiliar with what a indignent preteen is fully capible of when feeling rightous and oppressed.
Disturbing visual:
Wayne LaPierre in dominatrix leathers.
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^^^ My eyes! The goggles do nothing!
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Disturbing visual:
Wayne LaPierre in dominatrix leathers.
No. No, no, no, no. Do not give Harold Tuttle those kinds of ideas. He might shop that, and then he would have to be executed, and it would be all your fault.
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No. No, no, no, no. Do not give Harold Tuttle those kinds of ideas. He might shop that, and then he would have to be executed, and it would be all your fault.
No. You know the rules. It would still be your fault.
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Disturbing visual:
Wayne LaPierre in dominatrix leathers.
Given the state of Publik Skuuls today, this just may prompt the administrators to start "NRA Clubs" on every campus from coast to coast . . . :O
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http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764 (http://www.splc.org/news/newsflash.asp?id=764)
BTDT. I forsee a school district getting spanked. The NRA has experiance with this particular type of spanking.
As for the arrest, depending on how mouthy the kid was, I can see it happening. Apparently no one explained to kiddo that mouthing off after the cops tell you to sit down and shutup is counter productive. It's really hard to deal with a situation like this rationally when you've got someone how will not take a chill pill.
I'm guessing you guys are unfamiliar with what a indignent preteen is fully capible of when feeling rightous and oppressed.
Good find. Here is a link to the actual case:
http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/031125.P.pdf
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Disturbing visual:
Wayne LaPierre in dominatrix leathers.
You, sir, are an ahole
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Good find. Here (http://"http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3292779004737619596") is a link to the actual case.
Not really work. That's my school district and I remember the case.
Also, I was rather peeved at the time, as I wore my shooting camp shirts to school regularly (the same tee this kid wore), as well as my UVA shooting team shirt, and never had a teacher say boo. I could have used that kind of money. :lol:
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Disturbing visual:
Wayne LaPierre in dominatrix leathers.
Wrong. That was just wrong.
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Not really work. That's my school district and I remember the case.
Also, I was rather peeved at the time, as I wore my shooting camp shirts to school regularly (the same tee this kid wore), as well as my UVA shooting team shirt, and never had a teacher say boo. I could have used that kind of money. :lol:
Sorry, fixed the link.
I took an educational law class back in law school and was amazed a some of the frivolous stuff people sued schools over. That being said, I would have been all over this case.
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Looks like he is back in school, wearing the same shirt, with another hundred kids (per a NRA facebook comment) doing the same. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/22/west-virginia-teen-returns-to-school-with-nra-shir/#ixzz2RIoUEKV2
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one better/worse
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/25/kentucky-student-fights-wear-support-our-troops-t-/