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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on May 03, 2013, 06:13:40 PM
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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/internet-radio-host-organizing-loaded-rifle-march-washington
According to Salon, Kokesh is trying to get 1,000 people to march from the Virginia side of the Potomac River into DC while openly carrying loaded rifles. The march would take place on July 4th, 2013. The protestors may not face problems in Virginia where gun carrying laws are less stringent, but they would likely run into problems in DC, where carrying guns openly is illegal.
Probably with those evil 30rd magazines too.
Meet in VA where such things are not illegal, congregate, march across into DC.
In the spirit of Jonathan Parker, to not fire first and to peaceably turn around and return home if blocked from the planned route.
Interesting.
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not wise
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Are ya going AZ?
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Are ya going AZ?
Nah, I'll be back on the west coast again by the time Independence Day comes around. Somewhere between Seattle and AZ, not sure exactly where. The hope is to be back home by July 1, but maybe as late as July 7th or so. Got a buddy in CA that I'm meeting up with to head east again in late June, go camp in Yellowstone on motorcycles. Then south from there.
No way I'm crossing the plains a 3rd time this year on a bike.
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well for any that try it i think they should be glad dc has night court now
and i suspect he can't get many folks to join him. we'll see if he will go in a small group or bails out
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well for any that try it i think they should be glad dc has night court now
and i suspect he can't get many folks to join him. we'll see if he will go in a small group or bails out
Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.
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Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.
safety in numbers?
a principle should be a principle
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This is obviously a publicity stunt with a message. A message of defiance.
But I am left wondering, defiance against what? For not passing the BC/national registry bill?
I think there is a time when this tactic is useful. But not sure if this is the right time, not on the eve of victory at the federal level. I think this would make a lot more sense in NYC.
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safety in numbers?
a principle should be a principle
Principle doesn't feed your family, or keep you from getting curb stomped by the police.
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publicity stunt/gesture
those can keep the checks coming
or the bitcoin
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One also has to believe that the system is still subject to peaceful change. =(
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What a tool. There is a time an a place for an armed march on DC, but it's not yet and I assume that it will announce itself rather than be a facebook thing. Hell of a lot more than 1,000 then I hope. This thing is just asking for someone to fire a shot whether a loon, or a planted loon, so we can have continuous news feed of the crazy white militia that is attacking the government.
Lexington and Concord, the authorities were in trespass, not the other way around. Has to happen like that.
Furthermore, how many will get clipped by the VA state and Arlington police for violation of VA's assault weapons code? For VA's large urban areas it does not restrict possession, but manner of loaded carry. Big take-away is more than 20rd mag=nyet. Absurd, but on the books. The phrase that pays is "equipped with at the time of offense." What does that mean? No takers for the test case if that means only in the gun, or is a spare large magazine sufficient to be "equipped."
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Says right in the article he will only do it if 1000 people actually show up at the rally point to proceed.
Sounds like an excuse to wimp out.
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The Bonus Army had way more than 1000 people.
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The Bonus Army had way more than 1000 people.
And look how that turned out ...
Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them ???
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And look how that turned out ...
Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them ???
Both
MacAthur with the 12th Infantry Regiment and 3rd Calvary Regiment and Patton with some tanks
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It'll be law enforcement with tanks this time.
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It'll be law enforcement with tanks this time.
That is a sad reality.
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And look how that turned out ...
Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them ???
Along with Eisenhower.
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And look how that turned out ...
Wasn't it Patton or MacArthur that massacred them ???
massacred?
how many is a massacre?
is there some alternate history taught in the usa?
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massacred?
how many is a massacre?
is there some alternate history taught in the usa?
The Bonus Army was the popular name of an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932 to demand early cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Its organizers called it the Bonus Expeditionary Force to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Force, while the media called it the Bonus March. It was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant.
On July 28, (1932) U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. Veterans were also shot dead at other locations during the demonstration. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the army to clear the veterans' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.
Visit the Wiki article for the complete story. It didn't happen in the Twilight Zone it happened in America, "land of the free, home of the brave." [tinfoil]
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massacred?
how many is a massacre?
is there some alternate history taught in the usa?
Boston only took 5 with 6 injured.
Bonus Army was 4 dead, 1000+ injured.
Surely you're not a Tory sympathizer?
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massacred?
how many is a massacre?
is there some alternate history taught in the usa?
More than one ?
:P
Those who forget their history are doomed to be snarked by csd.
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Kent State Massacre had 4 dead and 9 wounded.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/massacre
the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty
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Kent State Massacre had 4 dead and 9 wounded.
your phrase for the day jackson state
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in the history i learned dc cops killed first 2.
and number 4 was a kid died of enteritis
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your phrase for the day jackson state
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ironic that
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your phrase for the day jackson state
OK, so I searched that phrase, came up with this from Wiki:
A group of around a hundred African-American students had gathered on Lynch Street (which at the time bisected the campus) on the evening of Thursday, May 14 to protest the United States invasion of Cambodia during the Vietnam War.[2] By around 9:30 p.m. the students had started fires, thrown rocks at motorists and overturned vehicles, including a large truck. Firefighters dispatched to the scene quickly requested police support.
The police responded in force. At least 75 Jackson police units from the city of Jackson and the Mississippi Highway Patrol[3] attempted to control the crowd while the firemen extinguished the fires. After the firefighters had left the scene, shortly before midnight, the police moved to disperse the crowd then gathered in front of Alexander Hall, a women's dormitory.
Advancing to within 50 to 100 feet (15 to 30 m) of the crowd, at roughly 12:05 a.m., officers opened fire on the dormitory.[4] The exact cause of the shooting and the moments leading up to it are unclear. Authorities claim they saw a sniper on one of the building's upper floors, and were being sniped in all directions. Later two city policemen and one state patrolman reported minor injuries from flying glass[5] and an FBI search for evidence of sniper fire was negative.[6] The students say they did not provoke the officers. The gunfire lasted for 30 seconds, and at least 140 shots were fired by a reported 40 state highway patrolmen using shotguns from 30 to 50 feet. Every window on the narrow side of the building facing Lynch Street was shattered.[5]
The crowd scattered and a number of people were trampled or cut by falling glass. Phillip Lafayette Gibbs, 21, a junior, and James Earl Green, 17, a senior and miler[5] at nearby Jim Hill High School, were killed; twelve others were wounded.
???
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dig a lil more. find the cop radio transcripts.
jackson state came way closer to being a massacre.
and it fell way short.
though massacre makes a better soundbite. its pelosi style
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dig a lil more. find the cop radio transcripts.
jackson state came way closer to being a massacre.
and it fell way short.
though massacre makes a better soundbite. its pelosi style
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;/ Sure, let me get right on that. You can spout cryptic little clues all you want. It doesn't exactly fill people with a burning desire to put together your little puzzle.
I've never heard of this incident. According to the Wiki page, they were starting fires and assaulting people. Unless Kokesh is planning to go that route, I don't see how it's relevant. AZR brought up Kent State, I think, because it is referred to as a massacre, with fewer casualties than the Bonus Army fiasco. Which is supposed to school you on the use of the term "massacre."
So, anyway, what is your point?
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http://www2.kenyon.edu/Khistory/60s/webpage.htm
or try the 11 students bayoneted at university of new mexico
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So CSD is providing links that the.gov had a history of massacring people? I think we all knew that. [popcorn]
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So CSD is providing links that the.gov had a history of massacring people? I think we all knew that. [popcorn]
He's hoping that if he posts a bunch of links, and mentions other things to "back him up," that we will think he has a point.
He's more cryptic than longeyes, at times.
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So CSD is providing links that the.gov had a history of massacring people? I think we all knew that. [popcorn]
Kent state, etc, are small potatoes.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html
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Here's what will happen:
A thosand people will not even pledge to appear at the event, much less turn up, and therefore Kokesh will have an excuse not to do it.
Were Kokesh a man, and if he really wanted to engage in civil disobedience, he'd simply, say, file own the front of his shotgun by an inch or two, and dare BATFE to arrest him. Then he'd go to prison, like Edward P. Luty did, and write from prison about his ordeal.
All this is is publicity and attention-seeking.
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Here's what will happen:
A thosand people will not even pledge to appear at the event, much less turn up, and therefore Kokesh will have an excuse not to do it.
Were Kokesh a man, and if he really wanted to engage in civil disobedience, he'd simply, say, file own the front of his shotgun by an inch or two, and dare BATFE to arrest him. Then he'd go to prison, like Edward P. Luty did, and write from prison about his ordeal.
All this is is publicity and attention-seeking.
and cashflow
some of the no shows will send money to "raise awareness"
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So, on the Jackson state tangent, you point at that for an example of " They had it coming"??
No sympathy for violent mobs here, sorry.
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So, on the Jackson state tangent, you point at that for an example of " They had it coming"??
No sympathy for violent mobs here, sorry.
i need to find the radio transcripts. they were special. even for mississippi at that time
and the round count was impressive as was getting every single window on that side of bldg.
i'll see if i can dig out a book and reference its sources
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Three people were stabbed at a Catholic mass in Nuevo Mejico.
Was that a massacre ???
=D
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Three people were stabbed at a Catholic mass in Nuevo Mejico.
Was that a massacre ???
=D
Ask the expert \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
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Ask the expert \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
Bzzzt! Not a massacre. Custer and friends were an armed military unit. They didn't get massacred. They got pwned.
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Bzzzt! Not a massacre. Custer and friends were an armed military unit. They didn't get massacred. They got pwned.
Gave up the high ground and lacked fire superiority. Pwnd for sure.
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Gave up the high ground and lacked fire superiority. Pwnd for sure.
Way to uppity, underestimated his enemy, and left his heavy weaponry behind.
Had he had a shred of respect for his enemy and traveled at an appropriate speed so his bigger toys could have been used may have been a much different story.
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Bzzzt! Not a massacre. Custer and friends were an armed military unit. They didn't get massacred. They got pwned.
We sooooooooooooooooooo need a sarcasm smiley..... ;/
Call it what you will. The army at the time refered to it as a "massacre" because the Plains Indians didn't take prisoners, they simply slaughtered all the vanguished. They certainly did that in one respect; at the Little Bighorn, all five companies of 7th cavalry that rode with Custer, Companies C,E,F,L, & I, were killed to the last man.
The rest of the 7th, under Captain Benteen & Major Reno, were trapped atop what is now "Reno Hill" for two days until the The Terry/Gibbon column arrived.
It seems unreasonable by today's standards to refer to it as a "massacre" mainly in light of the fact that it was the 7th that attacked the Indians, then lost the fight.
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Way to uppity, underestimated his enemy, and left his heavy weaponry behind.
Had he had a shred of respect for his enemy and traveled at an appropriate speed so his bigger toys could have been used may have been a much different story.
Custer left the Gatling Guns behind for a reason -- not necessarily a bad one. They traveled in caissons which were heavy & clumsy. There was more than one incident when trying to drag them uphill the caisson would break free, roll back down the hill, bowling over cavalry horses, soldiers and supply wagons.
Also, the Gatling would not necessarily have been as effective as most people imagine given the terrain on the battlefield. It was a terrain broken by hills and coulees, and the Gatling is a "line of sight" weapon just like a rifle. Interestingly the Indians' bow & arrow was here, an advantage, since they could be launched in masse on a ballistic trajectory over a protective hill, to rain down on unprotected soldiers, who would be in no position to return fire.
Ironically, had Custer brought the Gatlings it may very well have saved the expedition -- but not in the way you mean. Had Custer been delayed by taking the Gatling Guns and been able to meet up with General Terry's column, they might -- MIGHT -- have been able to prevail.
Custer understood his enemy pretty well, all things considered. What he didn't understand, nor could any one with him save his Crow Indian guides, was the singular and unique fact that the Sioux Indians were expecting and prepared for an attack, and well prepared for it. This undercut the normally effective army strategy Custer was employing at the Little Bighorn. It was one he'd used at Washita very successfully.
As for Custer being "uppity," I suppose one has to admit that given what his own behaviour throughout his career betrays, yet it would be a mistake to believe Custer had the market of "uppitiness" in the U.S. Army cornered. Plenty of other officers -- especially so the younger ones who'd earned their reps and their ranks in the front lines of the Civil War were the same. Custer was just so much better at it.......
Gave up the high ground and lacked fire superiority. Pwnd for sure.
No, actually Custer TOOK the high ground, atop what is called "Battle Ridge," and especially on a hill at the end now called "Custer Hill" (there's a memorial there now). The Indians called this "Seizing the Sky," and it has both offensive and defensive purposes -- though for Custer at the time it was purely defensive.
His men did lack fire superiority; the single shot Springfields they had outranged the Indians' Winchesters but this was irrelevant; the Winchesters repeating firepower was pretty decisive -- and historians believed there were more Winchester-equiped Indian warriors there than troopers under Custer.
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today it would be a " less than optimal miltary option initated by onsite miltary command structure without consultation with the chain of command"
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Don't forget about the tank crew they had come in and help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7th_Is_Made_Up_of_Phantoms
[popcorn]
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Don't forget about the tank crew they had come in and help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7th_Is_Made_Up_of_Phantoms
[popcorn]
You mean [tinfoil], not [popcorn], don't you? ;)
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I stood on the SOUTH side of the Potomac 3 years ago with Mike Vanderboegh and a few other notables with a rifle in hand and shouted obscenities across the river at the Capitol and the White House. It wasn't terribly smart then, but I was young, and adventurous. That was when we thought Hussein was a one-termer and the issue du jour was mostly Obamacare. In the current environment , legal issues aside, marching across the river would be considered inciting a rebellion and dealt with as such. Probably not as ruthlessly as the Bonus Army, but very efficiently and with little mercy.
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Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.
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in the history i learned dc cops killed first 2.
and number 4 was a kid died of enteritis
I guess you could call it that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#U.S._Army_intervention
After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty-five veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[11] A veteran's wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, while a hospital spokesman said the tear gas "didn't do it any good."
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Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.
This, in spades. The little tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist at the back of my mind is saying that this would be *JUST* what "they" want.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/7/dc-police-chief-promises-swift-response-armed-prot/
its adams move
the "man" has spoken
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http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/ANC_Visitors_Rules.pdf
Most of what is proposed violates these.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/Carrying_or_Possession_of_Fireams.pdf
And this says firearms in the cemetary are a big no-no.
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc69.htm
The bridge is owned/operated by NPS, which follows state law in regards to firearms. But the bridge passes from Virginia to DC at roughly the mid-point of the span.
Just do not see how he can even get to the bridge via ANC without incurring the ire of MPs who will have no sympathy for his "cause" as it will be seen as high disrespect towards the permanent residents of ANC. If he figures out how to get his crowd to the bridge via the GW Parkway he will be good to go until he gets mid-span. Then all depends on whether or not Big Sister sees the event as armed insurrection/rebellion/incitement to riot. Of course there will then be the DCPD response, but my guess is they will be pushed to the back of the bus, so to speak, when forces limne up to stop the march at the DC line.
Kokesh says he will turn back as soon as he encounters opposition. That may happen as soon as he steps off on the GW Parkway towards the bridge, as there is a "no pedestrians" rule that I'm willing to bet NPS will enforce.
I agree with his complaint but see no way this will be anything but utter fail by a bufoon, and go down in history (if it ever gets there) as just one more example of idiocy.
stay safe.
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I don't think that this is the rude bridge that he is looking for =|
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Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.
No need. A crowd of a thousand like that is perfectly capable of providing their own incident, be it an AD/ND, one nut deciding to get bold and pop a round off at a "fed", etc.
Lets put it this way...if you're deciding to pick up a rifle and follow a shady nutty guy into DC you aint all that bright in the first place. In fact, you're likely to be "that guy" who stands around the guncounter rambling about revolution, conspiracies, and espousing firearm myths...
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And this says firearms in the cemetary are a big no-no.
Sounds like a zombie conspiracy to me.
[tinfoil]
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Not a smart idea, and not one I'd participate in, but I hope it succeeds. It would put the bedwetters in hysterics, which would be great fun to watch.
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I don't think that this is the rude bridge that he is looking for =|
I see what you did there.
And you're probably right.
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Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.
It's rare for me to put on too much tin foil, but I must also say that my gut says this is too perfect the opportunity for them to pass up....
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I don't think any agent provocateuring would end up well for them in the long run. Could set off a chain of events that they won't like, at least I hope it would. [ar15]
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A better idea would be to start an "Open Arms" march in some small midwestern/western city.
Then move around the country finally moving up to some bigger metropoli.
I would organize it myself except I hate crowds :P
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Granted, I don't know what the laws in MD are, but they could probably march/enter from the East side of Capitol Hill.
Although I suppose nobody would notice a bunch of non-LEO's with firearms there. And might kind of belie the point they're trying to make.
On the bright side, the DCPD responds to a bunch of people with guns on the east side, they could all just scatter, and pretend to sell crack and they'd blend right in.
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entering from the east kokesh would not blend in.
he reminds me of lt keifer in the caine mutiny
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Aside from it being Kokesh, and thus presumptively stupid and poorly thought out, you never promote an event, particularly an innovative and legally/logistically shaky event, with numbers you can't guarantee. Even if he got 800 the press would quite properly call it a failure.
Underpromise, over deliver is the only way to not look like a loser. Million Mom March is the ne plus ultra.
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But the bridge passes from Virginia to DC at roughly the mid-point of the span.
Not that it really matters to the actual point, but the DC/VA boundary is the waterline on the Virginia side, NOT the mid-span point. (The river was ceded to MD in the VA constitution, and when DC was created, the river became DC jurisdiction, including bridges).
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a real prince
http://www.drsharonschuetz.com/the-man-behind-the-open-carry-march/
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a real prince
http://www.drsharonschuetz.com/the-man-behind-the-open-carry-march/
I don't know Kokesh. I don't have any reason to like or dislike him from personal experience, or affiliating with any event he has ever attended to my knowledge.
But it's very easy to lip-service slander a libertarian or anarchist or minarchist by saying they've associated with marxists or communists or whatever.
Take Ernie Hancock, for example. Dude doesn't vote at all, because he thinks we're past the recovery point. He's all about educating the following generation. Shaping the mindset of the next generation. Him, Mark Victor, Ed Vallejo, John Laurie, Alma Sommers, a few other folks here in AZ do some big pushes to put the "freedom before order" message out there.
He's had Cindy Sheehan into his home and studio and as a radio guest several times. Does that make him a raving marxist like Sheehan? Is Sheehan even a raving marxist, or is she painted into a corner herself?
We search for the right venue for our message, and move on from groups when the message they have doesn't resonate for us. I used to hang out with the Minutemen and did patrols with them. A few more years of thoughtful examination on the issue tells me that the State and its excesses are the root of the problem, not the Mexicans. Quite a few other former "Minutemen" also came away with the same perspective, and found other groups to associate with.
I won't condemn the guy for getting the pulse of an activist group and walking away once he decides it's not for him. And if he peels a few folks away from those same groups, who are also looking for something that fits their perspective better... who can fault that?
Rather than waiting for someone else to start the group that fits his needs, Kokesh is out there and being who he needs to be to represent himself and like minded folks.
But, hey: this is just stoopid AZRedhawk44 typing this, so it's wrong by default, right? ;)
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Not a smart idea, and not one I'd participate in, but I hope it succeeds. It would put the bedwetters in hysterics, which would be great fun to watch.
Not me. I hope it fizzles out without even a pop.
I'd prefer to keep my guns legally should a time come when such activity does have just cause.
This kind of BS behavior only gives the left more material and actual reason to legislate against us.
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a real prince
http://www.drsharonschuetz.com/the-man-behind-the-open-carry-march/
I want to read that piece, but she starts off by saying that the rifles will be slung, then claims that the march involves "brandishing" weapons. :facepalm:
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I don't know Kokesh. I don't have any reason to like or dislike him from personal experience, or affiliating with any event he has ever attended to my knowledge.
But it's very easy to lip-service slander a libertarian or anarchist or minarchist by saying they've associated with marxists or communists or whatever.
Take Ernie Hancock, for example. Dude doesn't vote at all, because he thinks we're past the recovery point. He's all about educating the following generation. Shaping the mindset of the next generation. Him, Mark Victor, Ed Vallejo, John Laurie, Alma Sommers, a few other folks here in AZ do some big pushes to put the "freedom before order" message out there.
He's had Cindy Sheehan into his home and studio and as a radio guest several times. Does that make him a raving marxist like Sheehan? Is Sheehan even a raving marxist, or is she painted into a corner herself?
We search for the right venue for our message, and move on from groups when the message they have doesn't resonate for us. I used to hang out with the Minutemen and did patrols with them. A few more years of thoughtful examination on the issue tells me that the State and its excesses are the root of the problem, not the Mexicans. Quite a few other former "Minutemen" also came away with the same perspective, and found other groups to associate with.
I won't condemn the guy for getting the pulse of an activist group and walking away once he decides it's not for him. And if he peels a few folks away from those same groups, who are also looking for something that fits their perspective better... who can fault that?
Rather than waiting for someone else to start the group that fits his needs, Kokesh is out there and being who he needs to be to represent himself and like minded folks.
But, hey: this is just stoopid AZRedhawk44 typing this, so it's wrong by default, right? ;)
SSssssshhhhhh. The best thing to do is let CSAD post links demeaning and in his mind discrediting the OP's topic until he tuckers himself out. Then we tuck him in to bed and he dreams sweet dreams.
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kokesh fanbois? hes like david duke for republicans. or jason christ for "the movement". slightly above jt ready and that lady who did the home invasion homicides while heading up the anti mexican group
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http://michellemalkin.com/2013/05/13/beware-of-ivaw-nutball-turned-gun-rights-organizer-adam-kokesh/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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http://michellemalkin.com/2013/05/13/beware-of-ivaw-nutball-turned-gun-rights-organizer-adam-kokesh/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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I see a lot of talk about what the group he was apart of apparently did, but not a whole lot on him, at least nothing to bad, I think AZRedhawk44s post fits here. And good job on Michelle Malkin using a link to The Daily Caller which is trying to make the case of how people with PTSD shouldn't have firearms, because apparently at one time he said he use to get anxiety attacks after coming back from the war and was uncomfortable getting drunk and being around large crowds. :mad: I'm uncomfortable being around large crowds of people I don't know too, and I also don't like to get drunk around people I don't know.
To quote a comment from Michelle Malkins blog, "It is never irresponsible to exercise your Constitutionally protected rights."
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People can go ahead and rally behind Kokesh if they want to.
When it negatively affects the cause, they'll all cry and whine.
Kokesh and his ilk are idiots.
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I see a lot of talk about what the group he was apart of apparently did, but not a whole lot on him, at least nothing to bad, I think AZRedhawk44s post fits here. And good job on Michelle Malkin using a link to The Daily Caller which is trying to make the case of how people with PTSD shouldn't have firearms, because apparently at one time he said he use to get anxiety attacks after coming back from the war and was uncomfortable getting drunk and being around large crowds. :mad: I'm uncomfortable being around large crowds of people I don't know too, and I also don't like to get drunk around people I don't know.
To quote a comment from Michelle Malkins blog, "It is never irresponsible to exercise your Constitutionally protected rights."
you commit fraud to discredit others too? and issue defiant confessions when caught?
he should stick to dancing, hes better at it and he dances very white
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http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff525.htm
kokesh is a soiled rich kid. seen a ton like him
and any of his fans that will actually walk with him, as opposed to write about it. i will provide room and board and a ride to the march. call when you get out and i'll pick you up.
let me know in advance so i can buy enough food >:D
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http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff525.htm
kokesh is a soiled rich kid. seen a ton like him
"Soiled" or "spoiled"????????
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"Soiled" or "spoiled"????????
spoiled call it a Freudian slip >:D
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Kokesh will walk nowhere.
Remember his excuse, "I will walk only if 1000 people sign up and arrive at the march start point"?
Mark my words: this is a pre-pared excuse not to walk.
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Kokesh will walk nowhere.
Remember his excuse, "I will walk only if 1000 people sign up and arrive at the march start point"?
Mark my words: this is a pre-pared excuse not to walk.
statist! [popcorn] >:D =D =D =D
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Kokesh will walk nowhere.
Remember his excuse, "I will walk only if 1000 people sign up and arrive at the march start point"?
Mark my words: this is a pre-pared excuse not to walk.
Could be, or could be a way to get people to up the chances of them showing up.
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Want to bet money they ain't going anywhere?
I'm poor and in need of cash.
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Want to bet money they ain't going anywhere?
I'm poor and in need of cash.
thats hunting over bait
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Found this on FB. Buddy of mine reposted/shared this from Uncle Sam's Misguided Children's page.
Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children does not support the armed march on Washington, DC set for July 4, 2013. After researching the march’s principal organizer, Adam Kokesh, we’ve learned that his Anti-American ties and rhetoric are against everything that the Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children stands for.
Adam Kokesh is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) and is closely related to Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER). ANSWER is left-wing organization that supports amnesty for illegals. In 2006 they protested against “Save our State” and the “Minutemen Project,” in California and have continued to support illegal immigration and amnesty. IVAW itself is not without its share of zealots either. One member threatened to blow up the Gathering of Eagles, assassinate Michelle Malkin, and one was even proven to be a fake Army Ranger who was later prosecuted under the Stolen Valor Act (Jesse MacBeth). In 2010, IVAW Board Members actually burned an American flag during a protest! They also support amnesty for deserters and cowards who run from their military obligations and hide in Canada.
Adam Kokesh has well documented ties to Code Pink, whose founder is a Left-wing Progressive Democrat and anti-war/anti-military activist. Code Pink is actively, as recently as last week, engaged in anti-2nd Amendment protests. Additionally, Adam Kokesh has aligned himself with The Palestine Right to Return Coalition, which, according to Steven Emerson, director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, is the “de facto arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. “
Adam Kokesh is a Former Marine, which leads many Active Duty and Former Marines to support him as “one of them.” But in reality, Adam Kokesh is an opportunist and a fraud whose only mission is to gain attention and solicit donations for his own pocket. Now, Adam Kokesh is poised to single-handedly unravel five years of hard work and progress by patriot groups and our supporters in Government, Law Enforcement and the Military.
Another reason why Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children does not support this rally is due to feedback we’ve received on a recent poll we conducted on our page. After hearing from many people on both sides of the debate, we have found that far too many people who claim to be attending this march are also expressing their intentions/hopes that this march will lead to one side firing upon the other in what they wish to be the second, "shot heard around the world."
Many of the views expressed by these "pro-marchers" are considered by the Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children leadership to be seditious and aimed at inciting a violent clash with Law Enforcement and other agencies in the DC area. Brandenburg v. Ohio maintains that seditious speech – including speech that constitutes an incitement to violence – is protected by the 1st Amendment as long as it does not indicate an “imminent” threat. These people expressing their desires to attend this rally with the hopes of firing upon the US Government and its agencies are walking a very, very, thin line. Although Adam Kokesh has expressed numerous times that his protest will be peaceful, we've heard from far too many of his followers saying how they are "sick of waiting" and wish to "get it started already." There is no way that Adam Kokesh can maintain control of a crowd of armed protestors.
While we do not assume that the majority of the attendees will go with the intention of participating in armed rebellion, the fact that there are enough people attending that will go with those intentions is sufficient evidence for alarm.
Armed revolution should always be the last resort. Many of the pro-marchers believe that they are following the path of our founding fathers, but fail to realize that it was the British who marched on the Colonists, not the Colonists who marched on Boston. It was the British who fired the opening salvo of the Revolutionary War, not the Colonial Militias. In fact, our founding fathers were forced into war. They did not start it.
In light of recent legislative victories regarding gun registration and outright bans on semi-automatic rifles and accessories, Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children urges our members to keep fighting the system peacefully and through diplomatic process. We believe the momentum has begun to swing in the favor of Constitutionalists in this country and we must focus our efforts in keeping up the pressure on our elected representatives to stand tall in the face of a tyrannical dictator and his regime.
Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children is not affiliated with the “Sippsey Street Irregulars” or the “threepercenters.org blog.” The views expressed here are ours alone. We do not rely upon the views of other Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children organizations, nor do we seek their counsel or solicit a response from them.
Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children is not a radicalized, terrorist organization bent on overthrowing the government. We believe in working with our elected officials, law enforcement agencies, and military, to educate the citizenry and promote grass roots movements to peacefully reclaim our country and return a smaller, Constitutionally-based government, to the people of the United States of America.
Having studied the American Revolution and the events leading up to the original “Shot heard around the world,” we believe that our Founding Fathers tolerated a number of “intolerable acts” before declaring independence from British rule. And they waited until attacked before engaging in armed conflict.
If we wish to model ourselves after our Founding Fathers, and lay claim to the heritage of the original “Three Percent,” we must continue to follow the examples they left us and first exhaust all legal and legislative means possible. The major difference between our Founding Fathers and the Patriots of today is that whereas they had no support from the British crown, we have support within the government of the United States of America. And that support is growing on a daily basis.
Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children believes that this armed march, even if nothing happens, will simply be used by the Socialist Obama Administration to renew anti-2nd Amendment legislation against responsible, law-abiding, gun owners and portray patriot groups and their supporters as “radical, right-wing, extremists.” All this will accomplish is a revitalized effort to ban and confiscate firearms from Americans and drive away the support we currently have in government.
Until peace is no longer an option…
Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children
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Scout, I still contend that when you view Kokesh from a left/right perspective, you get it all wrong.
I can tell by his associations that he's neither left nor right. He's up.
Kind of like OWS. They're not really left. They're just poorly educated libertarians-that-could-be, being used by the socialists. Go hang out with an occupy movement and actually talk with some of them. They're anti-authoritarian and anti-tax (except a handful of misguided fools that want to "tax the rich").
Both parties are dying, and desperately trying to cling to the fallacy of left/right when really the modern political activism is all about dismantling of authority. From both "sides." It's just a matter of what issues of represented authority are more prominent in your opinion.
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Both parties are dying...
Wishful thinking.
the modern political activism is all about dismantling of authority. From both "sides." It's just a matter of what issues of represented authority are more prominent in your opinion.
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Wishful thinking.
Agreed. Too many useful idiots still out there that keep voting for dempublicans because they "don't want to throw their vote away".
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Agreed. Too many useful idiots still out there that keep voting for dempublicans because they "don't want to throw their vote away".
Oh, but it really is enjoyable - convincing San Francisco liberals to stand up for their pro peace parties like workers world or green party... I love getting the lefties to squirm about supporting all the things they say they hated when GW was prez.
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Agreed. Too many useful idiots still out there that keep voting for dempublicans because they "don't want to throw their vote away".
Or just look at how many seats and offices the two parties control. Ya know, most of 'em?
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Or just look at how many seats and offices the two parties control. Ya know, most of 'em?
And that will never change until people get over their phobia about "throwing their vote away" - which is actively aided and abetted by those who stand to benefit most from that phobia.
This is my shocked face.
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And that will never change until people get over their phobia about "throwing their vote away" - which is actively aided and abetted by those who stand to benefit most from that phobia.
This is my shocked face.
a viable third part candidate would be nice been a while
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and the wash post has some folks who know our hero
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/activist-adam-kokesh-has-history-of-rabble-rousing-and-self-promotion/2013/05/13/95a0ddcc-b986-11e2-bd07-b6e0e6152528_story.html
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Based on an entrail reading of the interwebs, do any of you guys think that people will show up? Some people I know (not fans) seem to think they will in considerable numbers. If that is the case, why didn't they show up three years ago when we were outnumbered two to one by media?
I remain skeptical. Like AZ i believe he pre-packaged his "out"
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Based on an entrail reading of the interwebs, do any of you guys think that people will show up? Some people I know (not fans) seem to think they will in considerable numbers. If that is the case, why didn't they show up three years ago when we were outnumbered two to one by media?
I remain skeptical. Like AZ i believe he pre-packaged his "out"
i hope you are right but never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups
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To be honest, the trending attitude of the rulers is such that I would not be entirely surprised if, in the face of a significant turnout and failing other methods of derailment, the extreme occurred, and security forces under premeditated and deliberate orders emptied on the entire crowd, the surviving citizens who were carrying weapons get charged with the wholesale massacre of their friends because they were "committing a felony" at the time, therefore everything that happened is their fault, police and agents being beyond reproach because "officer safety" and "just doing their jobs"... Holder's wet dream.
But by the look of things patriots are not yet motivated to walk the walk so no massacre worries in the meantime ;)
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To be honest, the trending attitude of the rulers is such that I would not be entirely surprised if, in the face of a significant turnout and failing other methods of derailment, the extreme occurred, and security forces under premeditated and deliberate orders emptied on the entire crowd, the surviving citizens who were carrying weapons get charged with the wholesale massacre of their friends because they were "committing a felony" at the time, therefore everything that happened is their fault, police and agents being beyond reproach because "officer safety" and "just doing their jobs"... Holder's wet dream.
But by the look of things patriots are not yet motivated to walk the walk so no massacre worries in the meantime ;)
I guess you'll be there by yourself, then?
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I guess you'll be there by yourself, then?
I don't follow, did you take offense at my comment about patriots? I was poking fun at the situation that just a few months ago there was quite a bit of interwebz noise that people were ready to start THE revolution, but suddenly simple disobedience and bearing arms is all crazy talk.
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I didn't take offense. I just assumed you were ready to "walk the walk."
Aside from James Yeager, I don't recall hearing anyone talk in favor of starting "THE revolution," whatever that means.
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several folks on this board are chomping at the bit to start it. Even as we are making progress in gun rights.
I say let em. The resulting clamp down will be directly their fault
I hope this guy convinces 1000 other idiots to join his march. Maybe some of them won't reproduce as a result
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several folks on this board are chomping at the bit to start it. Even as we are making progress in gun rights.
I say let em. The resulting clamp down will be directly their fault
I hope this guy convinces 1000 other idiots to join his march. Maybe some of them won't reproduce as a result
I don't think a puny > thousand Darwin awards is worth living with the hypothetical clamp down.
Now, what would be intresting would be more then 1000 other civilians with guns standing at the bridge telling these idiots "No, you are NOT doing this, you little brats. Now go home to your mothers."
I can't even imagine how that would get played out in the press, but it would certainly be popcorn worthy.
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Hypothetically - Do you really think the "revolution" should start where the concentration of power is? If so, you need to get out and learn some more stuff before starting anything.
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Hypothetically - Do you really think the "revolution" should start where the concentration of power is? If so, you need to get out and learn some more stuff before starting anything.
Last I checked plenty of revolutions started in places of concentrationo f power.
However clearly now is not the time.
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several folks on this board are chomping at the bit to start it. Even as we are making progress in gun rights.
I say let em. The resulting clamp down will be directly their fault
I hope this guy convinces 1000 other idiots to join his march. Maybe some of them won't reproduce as a result
Uh, no. The responsibility of the clamp down would lie with those doing the JBT Two-Step on their faces and on the COTUS.
Folks can be unwise in the way they approach Leviathan, but their naivete does not make them responsible for Leviathan's unconstitutional acts.
And, really, the lack of wisdom of such a course of action really says it all, doesn't it? We do live in a police state. The state does view citizens dissatisfied with helot status as the enemy.
Pockets of liberty here & there yet exist ("Yay! I can carry a gun if I get a permission slip! And I can keep nearly half of what I earn!"), but any open challenge to the legitimacy of Leviathan will be mercilessly crushed. And is so unwise as to make rational folk think the challenger possibly mentally deranged, whatever the plain text of the COTUS.
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We. Are. Making. Progress
Actions like this will set us back
We will continue to make progress the same way the grabbers did: creeping incrementalism
I don't want the revolution to start any sooner than it has to, and it seems like many folks seem to be actually wanting it to come
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We. Are. Making. Progress
Actions like this will set us back
We will continue to make progress the same way the grabbers did: creeping incrementalism
I don't want the revolution to start any sooner than it has to, and it seems like many folks seem to be actually wanting it to come
Revolutions suck. I'd prefer things just keep trending their current direction and there not need to be a revolution.
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Uh, no. The responsibility of the clamp down would lie with those doing the JBT Two-Step on their faces and on the COTUS.
Folks can be unwise in the way they approach Leviathan, but their naivete does not make them responsible for Leviathan's unconstitutional acts.
Thank you.
This is one of the wisest things posted in this thread.
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Uh, no. The responsibility of the clamp down would lie with those doing the JBT Two-Step on their faces and on the COTUS.
Folks can be unwise in the way they approach Leviathan, but their naivete does not make them responsible for Leviathan's unconstitutional acts.
And, really, the lack of wisdom of such a course of action really says it all, doesn't it? We do live in a police state. The state does view citizens dissatisfied with helot status as the enemy.
Pockets of liberty here & there yet exist ("Yay! I can carry a gun if I get a permission slip! And I can keep nearly half of what I earn!"), but any open challenge to the legitimacy of Leviathan will be mercilessly crushed. And is so unwise as to make rational folk think the challenger possibly mentally deranged, whatever the plain text of the COTUS.
I don't know. If you poke a bear with a stick you will get hurt. Period. Same thing here. First mistake, telling them you are coming. They can plan ahead too. Tell them what you will be carrying and since it is against the law in that location, they plan. It's a fools folly.
1 of 2 things about this. Either Kokesh is an idiot of the highest order OR he is working for them. These are not mutually exclusive though.
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http://www.lady-patriots.com/the-smoking-gun-adam-kokesh-works-for-obama/
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http://www.lady-patriots.com/the-smoking-gun-adam-kokesh-works-for-obama/
Is "Revolution Czar" a real job title?
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Is "Revolution Czar" a real job title?
Maybe it replaced "Community Organizer" ? =D
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our hero
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/urban-game-changer/2013/may/21/did-feds-violate-adam-kokeshs-civil-rights-he-stil/
and coincidentally a link on same page
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/living-inside-out-loud/2012/nov/3/narcissistic-personality-disorder-not-harmless-beh/
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Haven't they released him already?
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yup
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Ummm, not anymore:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/29/adam-kokesh-calls-off-armed-march-on-dc-in-favo/194259
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What a nutjob
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dafuq
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buy agorist!
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http://13cgunreviews.blogspot.com/2013/07/adam-kokesh-holds-solo-open-carry.html
Not exactly a march, but he apparently decided to put his money where his mouth was.
For better or worse.
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Drudgereport picked it up =D [popcorn]
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/gun-activist-freedom-plaza-police-93755.html
"police are investigating"
I'm not a fan of Mr Kokesh but I do admire his chutzpah, seems as harmless as that news reporter who had a magazine illegally in D.C
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Drudgereport picked it up =D [popcorn]
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/gun-activist-freedom-plaza-police-93755.html
"police are investigating"
I'm not a fan of Mr Kokesh but I do admire his chutzpah, seems as harmless as that news reporter who had a magazine illegally in D.C
Completely different. The reporter was doing it for a noble cause (gun control).
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I don't think a puny > thousand Darwin awards is worth living with the hypothetical clamp down.
Now, what would be intresting would be more then 1000 other civilians with guns standing at the bridge telling these idiots "No, you are NOT doing this, you little brats. Now go home to your mothers."
I can't even imagine how that would get played out in the press, but it would certainly be popcorn worthy.
"Gun nuts engage in massive gun battle, Congresswoman Feinstein screams "SEE?!?!? I TOLD YOU SO!"
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I guess he got what he wanted:
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/activist-adam-kokesh-reportedly-arrested-in-herndon/2013/07/10/73dbc8c2-e943-11e2-8f22-de4bd2a2bd39_story.html
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expecting the cops? still kept shrooms in house? 2
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expecting the cops? still kept shrooms in house? 2
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Some people like to live dangerously.
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So he knew
expecting the cops? still kept shrooms in house? 2
That was my first thought too.
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Some people like to live dangerouslystupidly.
ftfy
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shrooms are simply illegal.
it is a bad idea to have them when in possession of firearms, just like any multitude of prescription drugs are.
Personally imo they should be legal, I wouldn't take shrooms if they were, just like I do not drink or smoke - big gov is to powerful.
Kokesh is a dude looking to get himself in trouble by doing things the writers of the Constitution had no problems with.
biggov is proving they are the anal retentive jerks Kokesh says they are, biggov is proving his point.
You can look at the history of this thread, I was not a fan of Kokesh but the gov is persuading me into his corner.
They would have been better off ignoring him.
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...Are we sure they're his?
I mean, I do believe they are, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see the cops drop one in the house and go "Oh, looky what we have here!"
I don't imagine he's too popular, KWIM?
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unlikely choice of plant.
if kokesh had true nads he'd have done his "event" and gotten popped there as opposed to posting a vid. i guess northwest one made him nervous. or maybe he had dinner reservations
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I have a feeling this heavy handedness will garner him more support.
I am not willing to go pull a stunt like that, I have gotten to the point that I am really disgusted with all the bovine excrement big gov't exudes.
I open carry a lot more often now.
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ftfy
Heh. I guess he didn't figure his stunts would attract a fishing expedition.
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Heh. I guess he didn't figure his stunts would attract a fishing expedition.
they weren't fishing he posted video
they acknowledge expecting cops
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they weren't fishing he posted video
they acknowledge expecting cops
Then why didn't they charge him with something related to the actions done in the video? All I see is drug-related charges (i.e. things found via fishing). Still, wonder what they were thinking having drugs around while expecting a raid . . .
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Then why didn't they charge him with something related to the actions done in the video? All I see is drug-related charges (i.e. things found via fishing). Still, wonder what they were thinking having drugs around while expecting a raid . . .
thinking? lol
they can add the gun charge anytime guns plus dope in va is a bad mistake
during operation exile guys would swear the dope was theirs but no one wanted the gun
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I have a feeling this heavy handedness will garner him more support.
I have a feeling it will make him look stupid.
And make him a poster boy for more gun regulation. " Even shroom-heads can have assault shooty-weapons, because dangerous NRA loopholes the children's!!!11
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I have a feeling it will make him look stupid.
And make him a poster boy for more gun regulation. " Even shroom-heads can have assault shooty-weapons, because dangerous NRA loopholes the children's!!!11
I sure hope you're wrong ... but I have to admit that you're probably right.
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I have a feeling it will make him look stupid.
This. Largely, those who would support him on the gun thing will shun him because of the drug thing, and vice versa. Guy's an idiot.