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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Frank Castle on May 23, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
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No Cops To Help Her Due To Budget Cuts
JOSEPHINE COUNTY, Ore. (CBS Seattle) — An Oregon woman was told by a 911 dispatcher that authorities wouldn’t be able be able to help her as her ex-boyfriend broke into her place because of budget cuts.
Oregon Public Radio reports that an unidentified woman called 911 during a weekend in August 2012 while Michael Bellah was breaking into her place. Her call was forwarded to Oregon State Police because of lay-offs at the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office only allows the department to be open Monday through Friday.
“Uh, I don’t have anybody to send out there,” the 911 dispatcher told the woman. “You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”
The woman told the dispatcher that Bellah previously attacked her and left her hospitalized a few weeks prior to the latest incident. The dispatcher stayed on the phone with the woman for more than 10 minutes before the sexual assault took place.
“Once again it’s unfortunate you guys don’t have any law enforcement out there,” the dispatcher said, according to Oregon Public Radio.
The woman responded: “Yeah, it doesn’t matter, if he gets in the house I’m done.”
Police say Bellah choked the woman and sexually assaulted her. He was arrested by Oregon State Police following the incident.
“There isn’t a day that goes by that we don’t have another victim,” Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilberson told Oregon Public Radio. “If you don’t pay the bill, you don’t get the service.”
The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.
The sheriff’s department even put out a press release warning domestic violence victims to “consider relocating to an area with adequate law enforcement services.”
Bellah pleaded guilty to kidnapping, sex abuse and assault.
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/911-dispatcher-tells-woman-about-to-be-sexually-assaulted-there-are-no-cops-to-help-her-due-to-budget-cuts/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/911-dispatcher-tells-woman-about-to-be-sexually-assaulted-there-are-no-cops-to-help-her-due-to-budget-cuts/)
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Of course they don't mention the possiblity of preparing to defend themselves, which would be a hell of a lot cheaper then moving...
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I think that is the same place as a thread I started about a month ago.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=39370.msg797830#msg797830 (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=39370.msg797830#msg797830)
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Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I thought Josephine county had one of the more pro-CCW sheriffs.
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The sheriff’s department had to cut 23 deputies and the entire major crimes unit after it lost a multi-million dollar federal subsidy, according to Oregon Public Radio. There are now only six deputies left.
So, what's the downside ? =| :lol:
Dial 1911 ;)
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Of course they don't mention the possiblity of preparing to defend themselves, which would be a hell of a lot cheaper then moving...
My man-crush has no problems mentioning that.
:rofl:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/sheriff-david-clarke-calls-guns-the-great-equalizer-in-radio-ad-dc8vu6e-194241801.html
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Anyone else have a suspicion the cuts haven't affected their traffic enforcement role?
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Anyone else have a suspicion the cuts haven't affected their traffic enforcement role?
The priority is always revenue collection.
That's why they are now called law enforcement instead of peace officers.
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Anyone else have a suspicion the cuts haven't affected their traffic enforcement role?
There lies the problem. Revenue generation versus public safety. I think more people need to develop the mindset that they have to provide for their own self defense whether it be in their home or outside the home. Everything is over by the time police arrive in most cases.
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There lies the problem. Revenue generation versus public safety. I think more people need to develop the mindset that they have to provide for their own self defense whether it be in their home or outside the home. Everything is over by the time police arrive in most cases.
All over except possibly getting victimized a second time by the police.
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On the phone:
"No police available to come out here? GREAT! That means I won't have to worry about being questioned by any cops when I blow the <expletive's> head off! I love this country!"
<click>
Bet the dispatcher would find a cop was available to respond after all . . .
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How much would someone like to bet that the budget for non-essential personnel wasn't cut, or wasn't cut enough to allow sheriffs deputies to remain on the job?
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How much would someone like to bet that the budget for non-essential personnel wasn't cut, or wasn't cut enough to allow sheriffs deputies to remain on the job?
It's part of the government's tactics now. Cut the meat and bone, leave the fat.
Claim that there isn't enough money CAUSE LOOK HOW WE JUST CUT TO THE BONE!
I hope people are getting wise to this. (But I don't have much hope of that.)
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How much would someone like to bet that the budget for non-essential personnel wasn't cut, or wasn't cut enough to allow sheriffs deputies to remain on the job?
i'll cover any bet you want on that
a hint? google is your friend
http://bigstory.ap.org/content/ore-county-cutting-law-enforcement-bare-bones
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Most of us out in my neighborhood would call each other before 911 ;)
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i'll cover any bet you want on that
a hint? google is your friend
http://bigstory.ap.org/content/ore-county-cutting-law-enforcement-bare-bones
CSD, all that story does is tell readers that the budget for sheriffs, prosecutors and corrections officers is being cut. It doesn't mention if the budgets for park workers, road work, traffic signs, tax collection, welfare workers, social workers, hospital cleaning staff workers, school lunch servers, or other non-law enforcement personnel have been cut. My guess is that law enforcement personnel were the first (and maybe only) workers to be downsized.
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CSD, all that story does is tell readers that the budget for sheriffs, prosecutors and corrections officers is being cut. It doesn't mention if the budgets for park workers, road work, traffic signs, tax collection, welfare workers, social workers, hospital cleaning staff workers, school lunch servers, or other non-law enforcement personnel have been cut. My guess is that law enforcement personnel were the first (and maybe only) workers to be downsized.
90 folks laid off. subtract the 23 cops leaves a few
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http://www.oregonafscme.com/mobile/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&homeID=246569
this is a lil better
its a choice the folks made there. turned down a public safety levy
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A union propaganda piece is the best you can do? Hey, I found a Daily Kos article saying Obama is great, that must be true!
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http://www.oregonafscme.com/mobile/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&homeID=246569
this is a lil better
its a choice the folks made there. turned down a public safety levy
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The choice was by their local government, to unwisely spend money making the levy necessary, then cut the cops instead of nonessential bullshit instead
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First, you can cover 24/7 with 6 cops, you will just have one most of the time.
Out of 83K people, where are the volunteers?
With no cops, I would think neighborhood groups would take action. The Sheriff should call for them if no one else will. I guess we are a long way from our pioneer days.
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The choice was by their local government, to unwisely spend money making the levy necessary, then cut the cops instead of nonessential bullshit instead
i suspect that 70% of the land in county being owned by feds and same feds shutting down logging played a role
which of their expenditures was unwise?
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First, you can cover 24/7 with 6 cops, you will just have one most of the time.
Out of 83K people, where are the volunteers?
With no cops, I would think neighborhood groups would take action. The Sheriff should call for them if no one else will. I guess we are a long way from our pioneer days.
maybe maybe not
http://www.kdrv.com/josephine-co-to-recruit-volunteers/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/josephine-county-oregon-citizens-against-crime_n_1975029.html
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and here a sarcastic piece
but the numbers are interesting
http://wonkette.com/517364/josephine-county-oregon-your-new-libertarian-paradise
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With all the publicity, I wonder if some serial predator isn't on the way to Josephine County right now.
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With all the publicity, I wonder if some serial predator isn't on the way to Josephine County right now.
I dunno ... seems like a good place to become an object of the Triple S ;)
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My other question, she spent 10 minutes or more talking to a 911 dispatcher who told her right away he couldn't help. She didn't know anyone else? I guess she had no back door to make a run for it.
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maybe maybe not
http://www.kdrv.com/josephine-co-to-recruit-volunteers/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/josephine-county-oregon-citizens-against-crime_n_1975029.html
It wasn't enough was it. The 911 dispatcher wasn't calling them either so i guess no volunteers were in that area or none were willing to cover nights since no cops would do it either. Even if it took them a while to respond, they probably would have still seen the crime in progress.
You can cover 24/7 with 4 people with minimal overtime. They have 2 more to cover days. They aren't trying.
It really brings questions to mind about those cops and their relationship with the public there.
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This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/
The Purge. Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen.
Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.
Maybe that is another thread.
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First, you can cover 24/7 with 6 cops, you will just have one most of the time.
Out of 83K people, where are the volunteers?
With no cops, I would think neighborhood groups would take action. The Sheriff should call for them if no one else will. I guess we are a long way from our pioneer days.
Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.
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This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/
The Purge. Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen.
Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.
Maybe that is another thread.
You mean The Lottery, by shirley Jackson?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery
"lottery in June, crops be heavy soon"
That's one of the best stories in the history of ever!
Really disturbed me as a kid, I think it was the 4th grade or something.
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This reminds me of a strange movie preview I have seen lately.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/
The Purge. Not sure it is worth seeing, but just the strange idea that a period of legal lawlessness would improve things seems like the silliest thing I have ever seen.
I really doubt that was the film-maker's point. It's probably meant to portray the horrors of an America where George Zimmerman is allowed to hunt black people with guns, once a year. Guns are bad, "Stand Your Ground" is a license to kill, etc.
Sort of like that stupid short story they made us read in school where some town would stone to death one person each year and supposedly that made things okay the rest of the year.
Stupid? :O You don't like stories with a twist at the end, or what? ???
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I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.
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I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.
Sadly enough, I knew the title of the episode immediately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon
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Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.
Vigilance Committee :angel:
Actually, everyone (sheriff,fire,EMS,road crews,school buses,etc) uses the same radio channels in our county except now they have an encrypted sheriff channel that only works in/near town. They still have to use the repeaters out in the hills.
Really I have no sympathy for anyone living out in the country and not prepared to defend him/herself. Even without budget cuts it's going to be 20 to 40 minutes before a deputy gets there.
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I have sympathy but law enforcement is about enforcement not protection. People need to get used to this. But if you use the Benghazi example, calling 911 would still be effective even with a 40 minute response time. But cops are mostly about mopping up the blood and trying to find out "who done it?".
This is also what happens when local governments depend too much on the Federal government. When the wind blows another way, the locals are left out in the cold. I detest the Obama method of making cuts that regular people will see versus truly cutting costs overall. The National Parks are a good example with campground closures. Not sure if they will be opening up all of them after Memorial Day or not. But clearly the summer help portion will be cut back. Those jobs are really great for young people.
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Have Volunteer PO same as Volunteer FF. Schedule their duty times and give them the same sort of scanner/pager.
We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.
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We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.
Do they get national reciprocity like sworn officers?
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We have that here. Reserve officers, city and county have them, they are required to have same cert as regular officer. Basically, they get to dress up, carry a gun and play cops and revenue source just like the big boys but without pay.
I actually thought about trying to do that about ten years ago, but then:
a) I'm getting too old to chase somebody down and wrassle with them
b) I could never swear to enforce the bull-sheet laws like MJ and seat belts, etc
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I really doubt that was the film-maker's point. It's probably meant to portray the horrors of an America where George Zimmerman is allowed to hunt black people with guns, once a year. Guns are bad, "Stand Your Ground" is a license to kill, etc.
Stupid? :O You don't like stories with a twist at the end, or what? ???
I guess it was the implication that such stuff is okay if it works. Maybe that was from that liberal literature teacher.
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I like the star trek episode where the two warring planets play virtual-reality wargames, and the "casualties" voluntarily kill themselves via some humane death-chamber thing. The idea is to allow a mechanism for human propensity for warfare to be fulfilled, but save the resources that would be spent on a "real" war and also save the infrastructure damage. It' (spock eyebrow) fascinating because the idea seems so wrong, but you have to admit it's better than real war in every way.
It is only better in every way if you accept warfare as inevitable and someone else dies. The politicians would not be in a hurry to end it if there was little down side.
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It is only better in every way if you accept warfare as inevitable and someone else dies. The politicians would not be in a hurry to end it if there was little down side.
Maybe it would go better if we did like the Roman Republic & make the politicians actually lead troops in the field....