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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: gunsmith on August 05, 2013, 02:53:45 AM
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http://thestateweekly.com/13-wisconsin-officials-raid-animal-shelter-to-kill-baby-deer-named-giggles/
Thankfully they made it home safely, fawns are notoriously dangerous. ;/
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If I'm not mistaken, momma deer leave their fawns alone for longish periods while momma goes a-browsing. Supposedly the fawns do not have an odor and thus do not attract predators and they just lie there in their spotted camouflage for the time momma is away a-browsing.
Then along comes a well- meaning human, who thinks, "Oh an abandoned baby deer. Awwwww. Let's take it home to nurture it and feed it and cuddle it and love it. Awwwww. We should name it Giggles."
So then momma deer gets all frantic about her missing fawn when she gets back. And goes throught the pain of an overloaded nursing bag for a few days.
If you find a fawn in the forest, leave it alone.
They should have left it alone.
I have a hard time with the notion that these well-meaning so-called "animal protection" folks didn't know that.
The euthanization I can't explain, except for the fact that it might be some kind of law. Wildlife laws and regulations are wierd sometimes.
But if they had left the fawn alone in the first place, the euthanization would not have happened and momma would still have her fawn and still be nursing it.
Terry, 230RN
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yup, I agree.
Either nature or nurture would have taken care of giggles.
should have been left alone, but that didn't happen.
What did happen was unnecessary
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I've had a fawn get up and start to follow me after I walked by without seeing it. About 4 or 5 momma does tried to get me to chase them assuming I was a predator. Two on the right made some noise and ran off. Then two on the left did the same. 30 seconds later I look behind me and this little fawn has gotten up and looks like it wants to follow me. I left it alone. The disobedient little fawn should obey it's momma and stay put.
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About 4 or 5 momma does tried to get me to chase them assuming I was a predator.
Lots of critters will do that, birds especially. They limp away, feigning a broken wing, and draw the predator off. Animals are smarter than people think. They just don't talk.
At least not to us...
...come to think of it, I don't blame them.
Terry
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the story just got moar inneresting, aerial surveillance cited for search warrant! ;/
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2013/08/05/why-did-bureaucrats-kill-giggles-the-baby-deer-because-they-can-n1656193
someone needs to go grow some weed out there, that agency is bored out of their minds!
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Is this the same Wisconsin DNR that steals heritage pigs from farmers in their war on feral swine?
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Lots of critters will do that, birds especially. They limp away, feigning a broken wing, and draw the predator off. Animals are smarter than people think. They just don't talk.
Which only proves how smart they are :lol:
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Poor Giggles.
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I was more distressed that they raided the place with 9 armed DNR and 4 armed sheriff's deputies. What the hell did they expect to find? Armed resistance from the Animal Rescue Terrorist Front?
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I was more distressed that they raided the place with 9 armed DNR and 4 armed sheriff's deputies. What the hell did they expect to find? Armed resistance from the Animal Rescue Terrorist Front?
That is how I feel too, why couldn't they just make a phone call and send a couple DNR staff members over to retrieve the fawn.
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my wife found a fawn last week...
with the front bumper of our VW
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That is how I feel too, why couldn't they just make a phone call and send a couple DNR staff members over to retrieve the fawn.
This seems to be a change for many DNR departments, and not for the better. Here you see a lot of Fish & Game guys in battle rattle. Given that they often work in pot growing areas, I can understand the concern to be armed, as I as a citizen want to be armed there too. But it seems that armed attitude is flowing out past those specific and legitimate circumstances. Now it seems they treat every poor schmuck with a fishing pole that doesn't know the regulation of the week as if he is a felon.
CA also recently changed their name from Dept of Fish & Game to Dept of Fish & Wildlife, and the new powers that be there, appointed by Jerry Brown, have stated that they are not here to service hunters and fishermen, that they have an "evolving" core constituency (read that environmentalists and their NGOs). Kind of crappy considering most of their operating money comes from hunting and fishing licenses and from oil companies.
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I was more distressed that they raided the place with 9 armed DNR and 4 armed sheriff's deputies. What the hell did they expect to find? Armed resistance from the Animal Rescue Terrorist Front?
Because, "“If a sheriff’s department is going in to do a search warrant on a drug bust, they don’t call them and ask them to voluntarily surrender their marijuana or whatever drug that they have before they show up,” the supervisor responded."
Don't you know that this is exactly the same as a drug bust! Officer safety!!1!
[barf]
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That is how I feel too, why couldn't they just make a phone call and send a couple DNR staff members over to retrieve the fawn.
'cause then they might not get an excuse to shoot it.
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If I was the governor of WI, I would have fired every state employee involved in this ordeal. I would have leaned heavily on county supervisors to do something about the Sheriff's department.
I miss the days when police were peace officers.
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I can only imagine how the briefing went before the raid... [ar15]
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I can only imagine how the briefing went before the raid... [ar15]
Something like this:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/149670/rules-of-hunting
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This seems to be a change for many DNR departments, and not for the better. Here you see a lot of Fish & Game guys in battle rattle. Given that they often work in pot growing areas, I can understand the concern to be armed, as I as a citizen want to be armed there too. But it seems that armed attitude is flowing out past those specific and legitimate circumstances. Now it seems they treat every poor schmuck with a fishing pole that doesn't know the regulation of the week as if he is a felon.
CA also recently changed their name from Dept of Fish & Game to Dept of Fish & Wildlife, and the new powers that be there, appointed by Jerry Brown, have stated that they are not here to service hunters and fishermen, that they have an "evolving" core constituency (read that environmentalists and their NGOs). Kind of crappy considering most of their operating money comes from hunting and fishing licenses and from oil companies.
yeah, I recall a year or so ago there was a frenzy over the head of fish/game hunting Mtn lions ( legally ) in Colorado or someplace.
People wanted him dead for that.
CA hunters need to completely boycott CA - lets see how bigbro gets by without their cash.
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my wife found a fawn last week...
with the front bumper of our VW
That's another problem with the wildlife laws. In many states, the only person who can despatch an injured wild animal in pain (as in hitting a deer or whatever with your car), is a qualified Peace Officer. Obviously, this is to prevent "poaching" and using the excuse that "I hit the deer and knew I had to put it out of its misery."
I don't know about you, but I know some people would rather despatch a deer hurting with four bumper fractures than let it just suffer until an LEO arrives.
Terry, 230RN
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home raised game animals could be a vector for CWD back into the wild population
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I miss the days when police were peace officers.
Quotable quote from charby.
Terry, 230RN
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home raised game animals could be a vector for CWD back into the wild population
That is what already happened in WI.
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I can see putting it down due to potential CWD issues. I don't see the need to show up with the SWAt team.
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I can see putting it down due to potential CWD issues. I don't see the need to show up with the SWAt team.
agreed