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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on August 20, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
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And immediately their parents go into "My baby wouldn't do something like this" mode (while admitting the kids were wannabe gangbangers and I guess thinking that wasn't enough of a clue to do some parenting).
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/20/police-say-teen-shot-australian-student-in-oklahoma-for-fun-it/
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I don't suppose the killers were Black ;/
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Of course their baby wouldnt do something like that, it was the evil Somedood. Their innocent little angels were just having urban choir practice in the yard...
*expletive deleted*ing "parents" who arent and no personal responsibility...
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. The teens, ages 15, 16 and 17, can be tried as adults, but they can't face the death penalty since they are under the age of 18, a spokesperson for District Attorney Jason Hicks told the Sydney Morning Herald.
I wonder when this happened. In 1999 and 2003, Oklahoma executed people who were 16 and 17 at the time of their crime. They need to bring it back!
I grew up about 35 miles from Duncan and after I retired and went back to go to school, I did some clinicals in the hospital there. I moved away from there for good in 2000.
bob
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okie gangbangers? i thought the gangs stayed away from the heartland.
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to do some parenting
That's not their responsibility. Society is supposed to do that. The schools are supposed to teach them right from wrong - when differentiating right from wrong does not interfere with self esteem and self actualization. Churches used to be responsible for teaching that stuff, until enlightenment convinced us that the imposition of a value system that does not come from the government is some sort of violation of the child's rights.
Lately the prosecutors in my area have been throwing a child neglect charge on top of anything else there might be when a parent/caretaker commits some offense when children were with them at the time. A few drunken mommies who were out driving with the kiddies in the back seat have been charged with DUI and improper operation -- and child neglect. We've recently had a parent charged with shoplifting - and because their kiddie was with them charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and child neglect were tacked on. The shoplifting is a misdemeanor due to the dollar amount involved. Contributing is a misdemeanor because sex was not involved. Neglect is a Class Six felony - minumum of 5 years with the possibility of $25,000 also being assessed.
Even if tacking on the felony neglect charge in those cases is merely meant as a wake-up, it is a perversion of the elements of the offense. On the other hand, these three choirboy candidates seem to be suffering from some intentional ommission that meets the elements in Paragraph B:
§ 18.2-371.1. Abuse and neglect of children; penalty; abandoned infant.
A. Any parent, guardian, or other person responsible for the care of a child under the age of 18 who by willful act or omission or refusal to provide any necessary care for the child's health causes or permits serious injury to the life or health of such child shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony. For purposes of this subsection, "serious injury" shall include but not be limited to (i) disfigurement, (ii) a fracture, (iii) a severe burn or laceration, (iv) mutilation, (v) maiming, (vi) forced ingestion of dangerous substances, or (vii) life-threatening internal injuries.
B. 1. Any parent, guardian, or other person responsible for the care of a child under the age of 18 whose willful act or omission in the care of such child was so gross, wanton and culpable as to show a reckless disregard for human life shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.
2. If a prosecution under this subsection is based solely on the accused parent having left the child at a hospital or rescue squad, it shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution of a parent under this subsection that such parent safely delivered the child to a hospital that provides 24-hour emergency services or to an attended rescue squad that employs emergency medical technicians, within the first 14 days of the child's life. In order for the affirmative defense to apply, the child shall be delivered in a manner reasonably calculated to ensure the child's safety.
C. Any parent, guardian or other person having care, custody, or control of a minor child who in good faith is under treatment solely by spiritual means through prayer in accordance with the tenets and practices of a recognized church or religious denomination shall not, for that reason alone, be considered in violation of this section.
Letting your spawn go around doing stuff that will end them in prison for the rest of their life seems to me to be a gross, wanton, and reckless disregard for the outcome of said spawn's life. And besides, flogging was abolished.
stay safe.
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I wonder when this happened. In 1999 and 2003, Oklahoma executed people who were 16 and 17 at the time of their crime. They need to bring it back!
I grew up about 35 miles from Duncan and after I retired and went back to go to school, I did some clinicals in the hospital there. I moved away from there for good in 2000.
bob
2005.
SCOTUS said killing juveniles was cruel and unusual. Here's the details: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/u-s-supreme-court-roper-v-simmons-no-03-633
stay safe.
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2005.
SCOTUS said killing juveniles was cruel and unusual. Here's the details: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/u-s-supreme-court-roper-v-simmons-no-03-633
stay safe.
Ought to be able to sentence them and wait till their 18th birthday to execute. Happy birthday mother *expletive deleted*er!
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2005.
SCOTUS said killing juveniles was cruel and unusual. Here's the details: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/u-s-supreme-court-roper-v-simmons-no-03-633
stay safe.
I've honestly never understood the 8th Amendment. Punishments, by their nature, must be both cruel and unusual, otherwise they aren't punishments. Locking someone up is in fact cruel - they are denied their freedom to go about as they please, and it's also unusual, as in "doesn't happen to you every day".
Any chance of it being overturned?
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I've honestly never understood the 8th Amendment. Punishments, by their nature, must be both cruel and unusual, otherwise they aren't punishments. Locking someone up is in fact cruel - they are denied their freedom to go about as they please, and it's also unusual, as in "doesn't happen to you every day".
Any chance of it being overturned?
That is a modern interpretation. At the time, I think stuff like hard labor and hanging were considered normal. I think long prison terms were less common as few had resources to pay guards or feed prisoners.
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Ought to be able to sentence them and wait till their 18th birthday to execute. Happy birthday mother *expletive deleted*er!
I laughed heartily at this.
Thanks :-D
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I've honestly never understood the 8th Amendment. Punishments, by their nature, must be both cruel and unusual, otherwise they aren't punishments . . .
I think in the original context it meant "disproportionate to the offence." So hanging a person for making a funny face at the King would be "cruel and unusual" but hanging him for murdering two shopkeepers and a coachman would not.
As for this crime, if it happened as described in the linked article - a deliberate, premeditated murder done simply for the fun of it - hanging would not fit my idea of "cruel and unusual" punishment; rather, hanging would be "just and appropriate."
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I think in the original context it meant "disproportionate to the offence." So hanging a person for making a funny face at the King would be "cruel and unusual" but hanging him for murdering two shopkeepers and a coachman would not.
As for this crime, if it happened as described in the linked article - a deliberate, premeditated murder done simply for the fun of it - hanging would not fit my idea of "cruel and unusual" punishment; rather, hanging would be "just and appropriate."
Hopefully the killers will at least hear the train coming round the bend while not seeing any sunshine.
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I think in the original context it meant "disproportionate to the offence." So hanging a person for making a funny face at the King would be "cruel and unusual" but hanging him for murdering two shopkeepers and a coachman would not.
As for this crime, if it happened as described in the linked article - a deliberate, premeditated murder done simply for the fun of it - hanging would not fit my idea of "cruel and unusual" punishment; rather, hanging would be "just and appropriate."
My understanding (could be wrong) was that cruel and unusual referred to some of the wacky punishments en vogue back then. So whipping a theif was ok, sitting him on top of a pointy doghouse with weights tied to his legs would not be.
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I don't suppose the killers were Black ;/
Well, now that you mention it...
http://www.newson6.com/story/23198130/3-suspects-charged-in-murder-of-australian-man (http://www.newson6.com/story/23198130/3-suspects-charged-in-murder-of-australian-man)
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That is a modern interpretation. At the time, I think stuff like hard labor and hanging were considered normal. I think long prison terms were less common as few had resources to pay guards or feed prisoners.
Got no problems with either.
I think in the original context it meant "disproportionate to the offence." So hanging a person for making a funny face at the King would be "cruel and unusual" but hanging him for murdering two shopkeepers and a coachman would not.
As for this crime, if it happened as described in the linked article - a deliberate, premeditated murder done simply for the fun of it - hanging would not fit my idea of "cruel and unusual" punishment; rather, hanging would be "just and appropriate."
This makes sense. I'm also of the opinion that if the article is correct, capital punishment is the only fitting sentence here. Obviously for all of them - morally, they are equally guilty. Also, I have no problems with executing minors...
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Well, now that you mention it...
http://www.newson6.com/story/23198130/3-suspects-charged-in-murder-of-australian-man (http://www.newson6.com/story/23198130/3-suspects-charged-in-murder-of-australian-man)
A multiracial gang: diversity of perversity.
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I wonder what their criminals records look like. The parent of one of the little hellspawn said that their little darling monster had been in trouble with the law for "childish" stuff. I'm suspecting that their opinion of "childish stuff" differs somewhat from the opinion of the average APS member regarding what constitutes "childish stuff".
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It seems that Austrailian news doesn't have the same desire to protect savage murderers from public shame. Pictures in the story below.
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/two-teens-charged-with-murdering-melbourne-baseball-player-chris-lane/story-fnii5sms-1226700172461
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A multiracial gang: diversity of perversity.
At least one of them looks like obama trayvon.
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Social media, what a wealth of ...... well, it is something.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/blackcoon44 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/blackcoon44)
Not surprisingly, there is quite a bit of hate going on there.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/chancey.luna?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/#!/chancey.luna?fref=ts)
I don't think the other one was as computer literate as his friends. ;)
And that leads you to mom:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3)
I first heard about this almost as soon as it happend, it was posted on a British bike forum, which has quite a few Australians on it. They were kind of taken aback how something like this could happen. I really didn't have a lot to say to them, after all, it is hard to explain how 3 teenagers just decide to go out and shoot someone, just for fun.
bob
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like that trio? love this one
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/8/20/judge_considering_mi.html
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like that trio? love this one
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/8/20/judge_considering_mi.html
The problem was, she said something the court ruled earlier could not be said in front of the jury.
Under questioning from Hillsborough Assistant State Attorney Ron Gale, Bedwell said McTear told her over the phone "he was going to come over and shoot my baby in the face and ... was going to kill both of us."
Why would she not be allowed to say that?
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And that leads you to mom:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3)
A real go-getter too.
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Why would she not be allowed to say that?
not sure but in capital cases they get real persnickety. give the defendant every break to cut down appeals
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And that leads you to mom:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3
Hey now, she and her precious tax credit son are just practicing alternative forms of income earning and getting back at whitey for his crimes against them...don't judge her, she and her spawn are totally innocent.
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:mad:
Shades of Truman Capote's IN COLD BLOOD...... >:D
These kids had cold cold hearts.
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Psychopaths like that ain't got hearts.
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It's four days already. I haven't seen a comment from Obama yet. What's the hold up?
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It's four days already. I haven't seen a comment from Obama yet. What's the hold up?
He's trying to figure out which one to claim as his son. And hasn't figured out how to use a quarter toss to do so.
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At least one of them looks like obama trayvon.
I'm waiting for the President to announce that, "If I had a son, he'd look like that."
Should I hold my breath?
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Social media, what a wealth of ...... well, it is something.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/blackcoon44 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/blackcoon44)
Not surprisingly, there is quite a bit of hate going on there.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/chancey.luna?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/#!/chancey.luna?fref=ts)
I don't think the other one was as computer literate as his friends. ;)
And that leads you to mom:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=222161&offender_book_id=114021&imageindex=3)
I first heard about this almost as soon as it happend, it was posted on a British bike forum, which has quite a few Australians on it. They were kind of taken aback how something like this could happen. I really didn't have a lot to say to them, after all, it is hard to explain how 3 teenagers just decide to go out and shoot someone, just for fun.
bob
Are you in the UK? Being new, I don't know. But for those who are in the UK, this should not be a surprise at all. They've always had their share of random killings with guns, knives, bats, swords.
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Why would she not be allowed to say that?
Prejudices the jury against him was my first guess - it was wrong.
The statement indicates premeditation (well, duh! if true) which eliminates the possibility of the lesser included crime of second degree murder. He has the right to have the jury decide that he was just scum, as opposed to depraved scum. I'm guessing that the prosecution has nothing except momma's allegation to go towards "proving" premeditation and thus agreed to put a block on discussing that issue in order to allow the jury to be able to decide based on other evidence that the murder was the product of a depraved mind. Physical evidence from the scene ought to be able to do that.
This really puts stress on my desire to see that no innocent man is railroaded through a denial of their rights - all of their rights. This is one of the better examples of how bad cases make good law.
stay safe.
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Kind of like that case where they didn't want the woman to say that the man had raped her that was talked about here at some point.
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Not to derail but what was that story? What was she supposed to say the man had done to her?
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Only one word fits those who commit such crimes.
Vermin
Just because they happen to walk on two legs and make noises that sound like words does not negate what they are.
And they should meet the same end as others of their ilk.
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Are you in the UK? Being new, I don't know. But for those who are in the UK, this should not be a surprise at all. They've always had their share of random killings with guns, knives, bats, swords.
I was going to post the same thing for the most part. Although we do have some UK members, Bob is not one of them. =)
In England and the surrounding environs, random violence for the hell of it is the primary national pastime. It surpassed cricket and boiling random things and calling it cuisine a long time ago.
Only the Home Office cooking the books and counting only "murders" that are actually convicted as "murders" vs. plead lesser to manslaughter, or... never solved at all allows them to foist the fabrication that the UK is safer than the US on everyone. A true accounting shows them to be even with the US despite draconian gun control, if not actually a smidge higher.
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Oh, snit! Now it gets really deep -
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/20/were-chris-lanes-teenage-killers-really-bored-warning-strong-language/
Picked it up from Instapundit (who had it yesterday but I missed it then). PJ Media suggests 1) the teens were not "bored" but had amuch more henious motive, and 2) that the story being carried could be intentional "anti counter-Trevonism".
#1 makes me sputter as I look for that really dull, ragged-edged knife I keep on hand for flaying certain oxygen theives.
#2 makes me want to go "Hmmm" a whole lot.
stay safe.
edited to correct the Trevonism issue.
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Josh Earnest, a White House spokesman, was asked about the allegations at a press conference Wednesday and said, "This sounds like a pretty tragic case." He went on to say he does not want to get ahead of the legal process.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/21/police-release-11-call-following-thrill-kill-australian-college-student-in/#ixzz2cdTUKOtY
yes the white house would never do a thing like that :angel: ;/
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That Aussie started everything by getting out of his
car campus.
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That Aussie started everything by getting out of his car campus country.
FTFY
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Jennifer Luna, whose son is suspected of firing the fatal shot, claimed her son was at home saying: “My son is not that way. My son is a good kid.”
The three teens now say that they killed Lane at random because they were “bored.”
Why hasn't Ms. Luna been arrested?
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Why hasn't Ms. Luna been arrested?
For what? [tinfoil] [popcorn]
Lying about where her much beloved innocent wittle kiddie was? A lot of times DAs won't prosecute mothers because juries won't convict them. If you go after motherhood you might take a swip at apple pie -- HOW DARE YOU!?!?!?!
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Picked it up from Instapundit (who had it yesterday but I missed it then). PJ Media suggests 1) the teens were not "bored" but had amuch more henious motive, and 2) that the story being carried could be intentional "anti counter-Trevonism".
My first reaction when I read the original story was that they were probably getting back at "Whitey" to avenge Treyvon. I'm surprised it took other people so long to get there ...
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Australian press manages to dig up all sorts of information on the three yutes and their recent activities from the father of a second, intended, victim.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/chilling-911-call-details-final-moments-of-melbourne-baseballer-chris-lane8217s-life/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461
As David Hardy notes, the US press, due to it being right there on the scene, has so far managed bupkis. http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2013/08/insight_on_the.php
The more I read the more similarities I see with the ferals that used to get coverage in the British press until they became so common as to no longer be "news".
Possibly the only ray of sunshine in this is that one of the little scroats seems to be fascinated with posting on Facebook.
And for giggles (at least in my warped mind) there is this:
In the back left area of the court was Jones's parents and supporters, including his pregnant girlfriend.
The white folks sit in the back. Does that indicate progress/success in race relations or something perhaps more evil? I'm going to completely ignore the fact that the 17-year old white kid has a pregnant girlfriend, just on the off chance she is over the age of 14. http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/08/sr/statelaws/summary.shtml
stay safe.
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I just don't understand where Holder and Obama are on this? Have they not heard the story yet?
Not that I want anything bad to happen to any one, and there is not much good that can come out of something like this, but do you think this will help Zimmerman?
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vaskidmark, thanks for the links. What an amazing difference in coverage between the Australian coverage and the US coverage.
I think this story is a sign of the times. I think we will see more stories like this.
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You won't hear anything about it from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, either. =(
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You won't hear anything about it from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, either. =(
WRONG!
Jesse jackson tweeted that this sort of violence is "frowned upon"
Not even joking
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WRONG!
Jesse jackson tweeted that this sort of violence is "frowned upon"
Not even joking
Wait WHAT?
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Glad I don't have a Twitter account, then.
Because I'd do more than "frown upon" his response...
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Justice For Chris Lane!
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Who will be the first on the floor of the House or Senate wearing a baseball cap to protest this violence? ;)
bob
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Teenagers have been going on killing sprees for a long time (read about Charles Starkweather-1957).
Since I know humans of all varieties commit horrible crimes, my upset is reserved on behalf of the victim.
He did nothing to deserve that. :mad:
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Teenagers have been going on killing sprees for a long time (read about Charles Starkweather-1957).
Since I know humans of all varieties commit horrible crimes, my upset is reserved on behalf of the victim.
He did nothing to deserve that. :mad:
Compassion for the victims and their families is good but it's not enough. My upset is over political, justice, and legal systems that focus on some very small, relatively, amount of violence for political reasons and downplay or ignore much greater violence - again, for political reasons - thereby allowing there to be hundreds or thousands of other victims beyond this one or any one victim.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/260-school-children-killed-chicago-3-years-where-are-tears-them
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/chicago-shootings-6-kille_n_3453390.html
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And now we have this.
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html (http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html)
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And now we have this.
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html (http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html)
I am thinking this was a robbery or carjacking gone wrong. At least there are surveillance photos of the "suspects". And in this town, Spokane, people who are any color but white, stand out like a sore thumb.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd ....... just to keep the theme going;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/
What in the name of baby Xenu is going on these days?!?
bob
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All I can say is keep your guard up.
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I am thinking this was a robbery or carjacking gone wrong. At least there are surveillance photos of the "suspects". And in this town, Spokane, people who are any color but white, stand out like a sore thumb.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd ....... just to keep the theme going;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/
What in the name of baby Xenu is going on these days?!?
bob
Why do you say carjacking gone wrong? I don't see anything in the photos or the story to indicate anything other than what the story says:
"It does appear random. He was in the parking lot, it appears he was assaulted in the parking lot and there was no indication that he would have known these people prior to the assault," Spokane Police Major Crimes Detective Lieutenant Mark Griffiths said.
Edit: Carjackings and robberies don't go wrong. They start wrong.
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I guess it depends on which end of the carjacking, robbery, assault you are on whether or not it goes right. If the perp gets shot and dies on the spot, that would also be considered as going right, at least by me, and maybe some others.
As far as the other "speculation", it makes sense, to me.
He had just arrived in his car to play pool with a female friend. A witness said she saw two young men run away from Belton's car. She found him by his vehicle badly beaten.
http://www.krem.com/news/Major-Crimes-investigating-assault-outside-Eagles-Ice-Arena-220620071.html
The police are calling it random, at this point. A friend of the deceased stated it was a robbery, who really knows, other than the 2 who are in hiding.
bob
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They beat him and left him for dead. Just because they took the wallet (assuming they did since we don't seem to know) of the man that they beat to death does not change this from a cold blooded and random murder into a robbery.
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They beat him and left him for dead. Just because they took the wallet (assuming they did since we don't seem to know) of the man that they beat to death does not change this from a cold blooded and random murder into a robbery.
You like coffee, don't you? :P
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I am thinking this was a robbery or carjacking gone wrong. At least there are surveillance photos of the "suspects". And in this town, Spokane, people who are any color but white, stand out like a sore thumb.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd ....... just to keep the theme going;
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/
What in the name of baby Xenu is going on these days?!?
bob
Sometimes I think "they"* want a race war of some kind. Gen up a new crisis that can't be allowed to go to waste.
* Indeterminate, faceless entity that can usually be blamed for most of the worlds problems.
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All I can say is keep your guard up.
I'm now watching my neighbor's Angus cows very closely. =|
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I'm now watching my neighbor's Angus cows very closely. =|
I take it your neighbor doesn't raise Red Angus!?!? ;) :P
bob
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One 16 year old has been arrested and charged with murder and robbery, he will probably turn on the other one soon, I hope.
bob
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All I can say is keep your guard up.
Goes without saying. Especially in our neighborhood.
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WRONG!
Jesse jackson tweeted that this sort of violence is "frowned upon"
Not even joking
So, like ... what sorts of violence are NOT "frowned upon" by the good Reverend Jackson?
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In honor of Reverend King's speech, let me just say that I am, and I'm sure we are, judging these boys not on the color of their skin but on the content (or lack thereof) of their character.
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The DA insists race wasn't a factor:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/24/race-not-factor-in-australian-player-oklahoma-murder-da-says/
Hmm... so Zimmerman killing Trayvon was racially motivated if Zimmerman had ever so much as looked cross-eyed at a black person, but this wasn't, despite one of the killers bragging just days before about knocking out 5 white people since the Zimmerman trial, and actively encouraging hate of whites.
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It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand.
(says the cracker so pale he literally glows in the dark)
stay safe.
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The DA insists race wasn't a factor:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/24/race-not-factor-in-australian-player-oklahoma-murder-da-says/
Hmm... so Zimmerman killing Trayvon was racially motivated if Zimmerman had ever so much as looked cross-eyed at a black person, but this wasn't, despite one of the killers bragging just days before about knocking out 5 white people since the Zimmerman trial, and actively encouraging hate of whites.
I seem to remember Zimmerman's prosecutor saying the same thing. The double standard you're looking for seems to be in the establishment press, rather than in the courts.
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As far as the other "speculation", it makes sense, to me.
http://www.krem.com/news/Major-Crimes-investigating-assault-outside-Eagles-Ice-Arena-220620071.html
The police are calling it random, at this point. A friend of the deceased stated it was a robbery, who really knows, other than the 2 who are in hiding.
Based on the race baiters' theory, the Treyvon Martin shooting was "random," too ... in that the two protagonists were not previously acquainted, and the shooter "just happened" to see the "kid" and decided to ambush him.
On this other case, it has now been reported that the assailants beat the guy with flashlights. I'm sure that would be something akin to 4-cell or 5-cell Maglights, which can be formidable weapons ESPECIALLY against a senior citizen. The police can call it random, and it probably was, but that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't racial. That can't be known with any degree of certainty whatsoever until the perps are captured and interrogated, and may not be known even then. If race as a motive would be an exacerbating factor in their charging and sentencing, they'd have to be pretty foolish to admit they picked him because he was white, or even that they wouldn't have attacked him if he had been black.
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I'm now watching my neighbor's Angus cows very closely. =|
Middle of nowhere. We all get it. ;/