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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on August 24, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
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The Occupation is planning to boycott Starbucks today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/21/starbucks-boycott-gun-control-group/2681203/
I know a lot of you are too cool to go to Starbucks, or you just don't like their coffee, or whatever. Well, just go and buy a cookie, then. Also, if you pay with a $2 bill (for the Second Amendment) it lets them know you appreciate their gun-friendly policy. Not that anything at Starbucks actually costs less than $2.00.
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I got a $25 dollar Starbuck's gift card for Xmas. I will have to make sure I use it!
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This will mark the second time I've been to a Starbucks !!!
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They still actually sell regular coffee at Starbucks. When my coworkers want to stop there for a grande triple and a half frapalatte double esspresso 2% goats milk hold the whip drink, I just order a regular coffee.
I've held respect for Starbucks ever since I read a local story several years ago about some open carry guys in the Starbucks on the wealthy side of town. A reporter from the local liberal weekly wrote a story on how disgusted he was buy this and in the story mentioned how he told the counter person that she had to kick them out and that she replied along the lines of, "Why do you care? They're not bothering anybody". Which sent him into an apoplectic tizzy for the rest of his story, with, as I recall, 99% of the online comments supporting him. As far as I know, Starbucks never budged.
I don't believe the Starbucks philosophy is "pro gun". I believe they are pro "live and let live", which I think I respect more, because they're defending someone's right to do something in their stores that they may not necessarily agree with.
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Same thing here in WA.
Starbucks is not so much Pro 2nd, it is, we obey the laws of the state. In WA, there have been several OC type of events at many different Starbucks.
bob
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Ok, got my leadfest tshirt on and going for a cup.
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Amanda and I will be open carrying there later
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IIRC, someone posted somewhere that the owners/founders of Starbucks are in fact very pro-2A what with them owning machine guns and other Class III toys.
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No occupidiots. Although this was the same Starbucks that was drunk dry by the TEA Party protest outside in 2010.
Dunno what I'm drinking, but its pretty good.
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I don't know what it's normally like, but this place seems pretty busy.
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The Occupation is planning to boycott Starbucks today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/21/starbucks-boycott-gun-control-group/2681203/
I know a lot of you are too cool to go to Starbucks, or you just don't like their coffee, or whatever. Well, just go and buy a cookie, then. Also, if you pay with a $2 bill (for the Second Amendment) it lets them know you appreciate their gun-friendly policy. Not that anything at Starbucks actually costs less than $2.00.
Good idea, but 120+ miles round trip is a long way to go for a cup of coffee. =(
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They still actually sell regular coffee at Starbucks. When my coworkers want to stop there for a grande triple and a half frapalatte double esspresso 2% goats milk hold the whip drink, I just order a regular coffee.
I've held respect for Starbucks ever since I read a local story several years ago about some open carry guys in the Starbucks on the wealthy side of town. A reporter from the local liberal weekly wrote a story on how disgusted he was buy this and in the story mentioned how he told the counter person that she had to kick them out and that she replied along the lines of, "Why do you care? They're not bothering anybody". Which sent him into an apoplectic tizzy for the rest of his story, with, as I recall, 99% of the online comments supporting him. As far as I know, Starbucks never budged.
I don't believe the Starbucks philosophy is "pro gun". I believe they are pro "live and let live", which I think I respect more, because they're defending someone's right to do something in their stores that they may not necessarily agree with.
Yep. It happened a few years ago in Seattle, IIRC. The CEO published a public letter saying that Starbucks welcomes all law-abiding people, regardless of political leanings.
That letter was the inspiration for the "Guns and Coffee" moral patches that imitate the Starbucks logo.
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Good idea, but 120+ miles round trip is a long way to go for a cup of coffee. =(
Oh, I guess a few hours of driving is too much, to preserve your gun rights, eh? Sunshine patriots... :P
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The Occupation is planning to boycott Starbucks today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/21/starbucks-boycott-gun-control-group/2681203/
I know a lot of you are too cool to go to Starbucks, or you just don't like their coffee, or whatever. Well, just go and buy a cookie, then. Also, if you pay with a $2 bill (for the Second Amendment) it lets them know you appreciate their gun-friendly policy. Not that anything at Starbucks actually costs less than $2.00.
Do you think the minimum wage clerk will really get the 2 dollar bill thing?
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They still actually sell regular coffee at Starbucks. When my coworkers want to stop there for a grande triple and a half frapalatte double esspresso 2% goats milk hold the whip drink, I just order a regular coffee.
I've held respect for Starbucks ever since I read a local story several years ago about some open carry guys in the Starbucks on the wealthy side of town. A reporter from the local liberal weekly wrote a story on how disgusted he was buy this and in the story mentioned how he told the counter person that she had to kick them out and that she replied along the lines of, "Why do you care? They're not bothering anybody". Which sent him into an apoplectic tizzy for the rest of his story, with, as I recall, 99% of the online comments supporting him. As far as I know, Starbucks never budged.
I don't believe the Starbucks philosophy is "pro gun". I believe they are pro "live and let live", which I think I respect more, because they're defending someone's right to do something in their stores that they may not necessarily agree with.
Being pro live-and-let-live is better than being pro gun; far better. I respect anyone's right to not like guns. The problem really does come down to live-and-let-live.
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I'm hitting Starbucks 5 times a week these days.
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it's about a 120 miles round trip for me, although i do have to see my doctor nearby them this wednesday.
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I'm hitting Starbucks 5 times a week these days.
I was doing that for a while, then I added up the calories (fancy drink), and cost per month, and went :O .
Now it is just an occasional stop.
bob
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I'm not normally a Starbuck drinker but I stopped by after my bike ride this AM and ordered some lime cooler dealio, it was the least calorie item on the menu. I did like it, tasted a lot like a mojito. Might have to have one of those every now and then.
I didn't see any protesters outside and the car in front of me had an Obama sticker on it. I was so hoping to see the usual protester crowd that seems to hang out in front of any thing not Democrat with their crappily hand made signs.
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Do you think the minimum wage clerk will really get the 2 dollar bill thing?
I don't know, but from what I've read, it is "a thing," at Starbucks. I guess it might depend on how much controversy that specific store has experienced, or how much the management pays attention to what's going on at other stores.
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Good idea, but 120+ miles round trip is a long way to go for a cup of coffee. =(
Oh, I guess a few hours of driving is too much, to preserve your gun rights, eh? Sunshine patriots... :P
A real patriot like you wish you were would have sent him money to pay for the gas needed to make the trip. :angel:
The local Starbucks did not seem any more crowded than any other Saturday AM - but then I usually drive right on past it to park in front of the place where a bunch of us OC fanatics gather every Saturday for breakfast, conversation, and like we do every week, plan to take over the world. I stopped in and added to the press of people clamoring for coffee and the right to not be infringed - bringing the crowd up from 6 to 7 caffiene-addled patrons, only one other of which was openly carrying such that I could notice. And she was a regular at the Saturday breakfast who also decided to protest the boycott. The rather too-pleasant young man passing the coffee over the counter seemed to know what the two-dollar bill tip was about, but seemed more impressed that it was a bit more than twice the usual tip he received.
Ordered a "large" - there did not seem to be any confusion over whether that would be a Grande or a Vente.
stay safe.
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A few years ago, I received some $2 notes in my change, passed them on to friends' kids for the novelty. I was immediately quizzed on whether the clerk gave me the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge." Seems that the deuce serves as an announcement/invitation among some homosexuals. :O
I still find Starbucks overpriced, undervalued, will stick to Dutch Brothers (http://www.dutchbros.com/), where, last I heard or read, permit holding employees carry at work without jeopardizing their jobs.
Edit to add: http://projects.registerguard.com/web/updates/26010850-55/combs-barista-plunk-robbery-lane.html.csp
I would have guessed carrying a Glock for defense without a round chambered is a recipe for disaster. (Almost wrote "Condition 3," would that have drawn fire from the purists?)
Further ETA: Ooops! "(Dutch Bros. coffee chain co-founder Travis) Boersma said the barista who shot Combs has not yet returned to work. While the man violated a Dutch Bros. policy by taking a gun to work, Boersma said he supports his employee for taking action to defend himself during the incident." <LINK> (http://projects.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25776403-41/plunk-police-robbery-bros-dutch.csp)
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A couple years back there was a big to do in the Bay Area, with certain chains like Peet's not allowing customers to OC. Charbucks didn't knuckle under to that (OC was still legal in CA at the time) so I started buying a coffee from them every morning. The nearest one is in Norton Shores, maybe I'll go to the mall and leer at the girls after getting a coffee. =D
To celebrate freedom today I bought a Ruger made 25 round mag for my 10/22. It worked pretty well. I also bought some PMC 5.56 and checked the zero on my AR. It was nice to shoot at a real range again! I need more of those 10/22 mags for the zombiepocalypse.
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A real patriot like you wish you were would have sent him money to pay for the gas needed to make the trip. :angel:
Nah, then he'd get all dependent and stuff. He'd probably start doing drugs and having illegitimate kids.
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A few years ago, I received some $2 notes in my change, passed them on to friends' kids for the novelty. I was immediately quizzed on whether the clerk gave me the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge." Seems that the deuce serves as an announcement/invitation among some homosexuals. :O
I wondered why my cousin always tipped in $2 bills. He's openly, flamboyantly gay and pays at restaurants with plastic but always tips with cash, and always with $2 bills. Deliberately gets a stack of them every month from the bank. I just figured it was a personality quirk. Didn't know it was a signal.
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Is it because there's no such thing as a $3 bill?
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The current sound bite/bumper sticker is "different but accepted."
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The pastor of my church always gives $2 bills to the fathers in the congregation, every Father's Day. Because that's what his father did. He didn't give 'em out this year. Maybe he found out. :laugh:
I tried to get some $2 bills from the bank, but they were out. (As in, out of the bills, not out of the closet. At least, I think that's what they meant.) I only have one, which I use as a book mark. They're pretty cool, since they have the signing of the Declaration on them.
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Can you still get $2 bills?
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So, what is the consensus?
Given A Starbucks OC customer paying for a cup of Pike Place with a $2 bill, is he assumed to be doing so due to 2A, or due to some gay social custom?
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Run your own test, pay with those deuces, hang around in the parking lot or alley and see if there is a response... =D
(No need to post your results.)
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Nah, then he'd get all dependent and stuff. He'd probably start doing drugs and having illegitimate kids.
Sounds like a good plan to me. =D
There was a $tarbuck$ near the Crane plant in Lynnwood where we used to go get a cup of coffee just to get out of the madhouse for a few minutes. I wasn't open carrying because most employers tend to frown on that.
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There is a Starbucks in Epping, NH, not too far from the Sig Sauer Academy ranges. I almost always open carry there when I'm taking a class at Sig simply because I am already dressed for the range and don't want to change just to get coffee.
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Had some family business to attend to. Tried to fit in a stop but wasn't able to.
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Can you still get $2 bills?
At the bank where I asked, they said they'd have some in on Monday. So there is apparently some demand for them.
Why, are you gay or somethin'?
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So a thread about boycotting Starbucks has morphed into a thread about two bucks (instead of two does).
My the thread drift is strong in this one.
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$2 bills are also popular at the strip clubs. Didn't know about the gays using them.
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I have been "car camping" and doing long drives in between norcal and northern NV, I open carried in Sbucks and got smiles and spent quite a lot of time catching up om email
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So a thread about boycotting Starbucks has morphed into a thread about two bucks (instead of two does).
My the thread drift is strong in this one.
Ohhhh, now I get it. Two bucks. Funny.
So... Pink Pistols rally at Starbucks? Fistful is buying!
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I'm not normally a Starbuck drinker but I stopped by after my bike ride this AM and ordered some lime cooler dealio, it was the least calorie item on the menu. I did like it, tasted a lot like a mojito. Might have to have one of those every now and then.
I didn't see any protesters outside and the car in front of me had an Obama sticker on it. I was so hoping to see the usual protester crowd that seems to hang out in front of any thing not Democrat with their crappily hand made signs.
I'm not surprised no protesters were at Starbucks. There would be nothing gained by protesting a company owned or franchised starbucks. Too few folks would know. When they got on all the network news stations they had already accomplished their goal.
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In a brief discussion at a Dutch Bros. in Grant's Pass OR a few minutes ago, I was told company policy forbids employees working armed. *sigh*
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We should take up our charity efforts to support Tim Horton's instead. We have one on base now, becoming a once a month addict. Good coffee and we get to understand the enemy.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FdfWsdW9.jpg&hash=7d170d16e2dfb20aea5d68f71f01903e63e62c09)
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In a brief discussion at a Dutch Bros. in Grant's Pass OR a few minutes ago, I was told company policy forbids employees working armed. *sigh*
I am not surprised; very few places will allow it. I doubt Starbucks allows its employees to carry.
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How the heck did a Tim Horton's get built on a U.S. military base?
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How the heck did a Tim Horton's get built on a U.S. military base?
THAT was my first thought! ???
Well, maybe not word for word! ;)
bob
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How the heck did a Tim Horton's get built on a U.S. military base?
Probably via the Mideast. They have 27 in Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
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Does anyone else think it's weird to have a coffee and doughnut chain named after the Prime Minister?
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Does anyone else think it's weird to have a coffee and doughnut chain named after the Prime Minister?
So you *haven't* been to Barry's House of Chicken & Waffles yet? ???
Chris
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So you *haven't* been to Barry's House of Chicken & Waffles yet? ???
Chris
Presiden' Popeye does have a certain ring to it...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0-RpST3qLw
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I resurrect this thread to mention that I'm at a Starbucks now, and they just played the Fistful of Dollars theme.
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I resurrect this thread to mention that I'm at a Starbucks now, and they just played the Fistful of Dollars theme.
Run for the hills! End times are here!!!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0-RpST3qLw
Billy Dee Williams for the win!
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Well, so much for that-
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-usa-starbucks-guns-idUSBRE98H04N20130918
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Being a bit too "in your face" backfired. Folks need to realize that because a company doesn't take a stand one way or another doesn't mean they want to be part of the debate. All they want to do is sell coffee. They were never an ally, but our constant harping that they were "good" shined a light on them they didn't want.
We would have been better off to quietly appreciate their stance on the issue and not turn it into an event.
Chris
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The coffee chain did not, however, issue an outright ban on guns in its nearly 7,000 company-owned cafes, saying this would potentially require staff to confront armed customers.
I guess we'll have to wait and see if any of the stores get posted. If not, this isn't really a win for either side.
FWIW, I wasn't suggesting that anyone open carry in Starbucks. Or not open carry in Starbucks. I conceal, personally.
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Being a bit too "in your face" backfired. Folks need to realize that because a company doesn't take a stand one way or another doesn't mean they want to be part of the debate. All they want to do is sell coffee. They were never an ally, but our constant harping that they were "good" shined a light on them they didn't want.
We would have been better off to quietly appreciate their stance on the issue and not turn it into an event.
Chris
This.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/18/223652632/no-guns-please-starbucks-tells-customers?ft=1&f=1001
From the comments:
I can't wait to see all the YouTube videos that are going to be posted by enraged "responsible gun owners" wearing Gadsen flag t-shirts and spraying rows of venti pumpkin lattes (with whipped cream of course) with semi-automatic weapons. "That that Starbucks! FREEEEEDOMMMM!"
"Partners are instructed not to confront customers or ask them to leave solely for carrying a weapon."
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Really don't blame them. Who wants to confront a gun-totin'-'Murican before he/she has had their morning Salted Caramel Cafe Mocha Latte Cappuccino. My guess is that the Roscoeites will still come in packing to show those hippie baristas that they are the only true Patriots.
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Kinda like the "no colors" sign i had to post in the bar
damn phone
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Being a bit too "in your face" backfired. Folks need to realize that because a company doesn't take a stand one way or another doesn't mean they want to be part of the debate. All they want to do is sell coffee. They were never an ally, but our constant harping that they were "good" shined a light on them they didn't want.
We would have been better off to quietly appreciate their stance on the issue and not turn it into an event.
Chris
Yeah.
I OCed in there several times. But I OC lots of places.
I guess part of the blame is mine. Oh well.
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Being a bit too "in your face" backfired. Folks need to realize that because a company doesn't take a stand one way or another doesn't mean they want to be part of the debate. All they want to do is sell coffee. They were never an ally, but our constant harping that they were "good" shined a light on them they didn't want.
We would have been better off to quietly appreciate their stance on the issue and not turn it into an event.
Chris
Yes, sometimes people so blinded by a cause can be their own worst enemy.
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I'm offended, but only because of how fence-sitting, spineless and wishy-washy the Starbucks position is.
"We don't want guns in our stores (to try and appease the anti's who won't shut up), but we're not going to actually say anything, post anything, or do anything beyond this statement here (to try and not tick off the pro-gun people either)."
Weakness and stupidity on their part for thinking this will make the whole thing "go away faster" which I gather is what Starbucks really wants. This just continues it. Anti's will whine that it's "not enough", and Pro's will now be pissed.
They should have had the strength to stay the course Starbucks was on, which was "We don't care either way, and just want to mind our own business which is selling coffee, and following the laws of the states in which our various stores reside, period." This is now like a parent with two bickering kids in the back seat of the car, and finally caves in and gives some sort of hollow concession to the one that's being the most annoying.
Never works.
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From a purely philosophical standpoint, I can see, and largely agree with AJ's point. However Starbucks, as a publicly traded business, has to look at what's best for their shareholders. I don't know if their current position does that, but I can see their management figuring 'appeasement" and "lets hope this goes away" as the best course to keep the stock from dropping.
I don't necessarily like using something that's not a right and that some would consider a vice as part of my analogy, but I liken the "guns / no guns" issue at Starbucks to "smoking / no smoking". There is no doubt the antis started the hullabaloo, by sticking their noses into the business of a few people open carrying in a Starbucks. Then the gun community got wind of it, and the next thing you know, you have far above the statistical average of open carriers at various Starbucks, not just open carrying, but vocalizing that they are. Now you have people at the Starbucks who didn't care about the few people a day coming through with guns who don't necessarily feel comfortable with a "mob" of open carriers who are there not for a cup of coffee, but to prove a point.
Just like with "no smoking" bans. If a place (bar, restaurant, whatever) has one or two smokers, maybe most people don't care. If an anti-smoker complains though, and the next thing you know there are fifty smokers in the place, not to specifically partake in whatever the place offers, but to prove they have the right to smoke, you now have patrons that didn't care, or were only slightly bothered before, complaining about all the smoke in the room. If the business thinks it will get more business from smokers than from non-smokers, it may ignore the complainers. If it thinks it's now going to lose business, because all those smokers are only there to prove a point and they won't be coming back, it may be more likely, from a purely business standpoint, to put up a 'no smoking" sign.
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This is now like a parent with two bickering kids in the back seat of the car, and finally caves in and gives some sort of hollow concession to the one that's being the most annoying.
Never works.
Great, you've now ruined my only parenting tactic. :mad:
I'll have to resort to threats and duct tape.
Chris
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I just submitted this to DuffleBlog
KABUL - Hot on the heels of Starbucks' new open letter asking their customers to leave their weapons at home, Green Beans has taken sides in the controversial "open carry" debate.
"We appreciate that many of our customers like to carry weapons," a spokesman from Green Beans said,"but the fact is, many of our Afghan employees seem quite uncomfortable with our patrons carrying assault weapons"
"We feel very strongly about this and have tried our best not to offend any particular groups. Especially given the outrage we caused in the Air Force after our support of Chik-Fil-A's marriage policy"
"Additionally," he continued, "We feel this is a great way to help curb some of the green on blue violence that continues to plague the Multi-National force in Afghanistan."
Already the statement is causing heated debate on both sides of the issue.
Military officials have made it clear that Green Beans is not "banning" the carry of weapons in their locations, merely "asking" Soldiers accustomed to obeying policy without question to comply with the request. COL Rich Remfson, aide to the commanding General of FOB Leatherneck said he applauded the change, adding "I don't like carrying this *expletive deleted*ing thing around anyway. Do you have any idea how hard it is to carry two drink carriers full of grande cafe mochas with 3 shots of expresso, caramel drizzle, and whip along with an M4?"
"A Coffee shop is no place for weapons," Private First Class Ima B. Pogey said. "I feel safer already." PFC Pogey, a wheeled vehicle mechanic with 547th BSB, believes that the existing PT belt policy is all that's required to keep the coffee shops safe.
Some soldiers don't share PFC Pogey's sentiments.
"What the *expletive deleted*ck is this *expletive deleted*it?" asks SGT John Jacobson, an infantryman with the 101st. "What is this, Chicago? Seven deployments to this shithole and Iraq, and suddenly I can't feed my caffeine need without putting my squad at stack arms and posting a guard? I guess it's back to chugging Ripits and ignoring the tachycardia."
"The background check system used by the US government has never failed. Anyone with a badge is supposed to be here and therefore doesn't need a weapon. That's why we have security guards." Said PO3 Dale Stainbridge, a sailor with the SEABEE detachment.
One prominent California Senator has applauded the policy, saying "These assault weapons, these weapons of war, have no place on the streets of Afghanistan."
As of this writing, the Department of Defense hasn't released an official statement on the new policy.
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If you didn't see this policy coming, you weren't watching. Ever since the last "appreciation" day, with more and more people making it appear that Starbucks was pro gun, the handwriting was on the wall.
The problem I have with it is the devious way that he asked people to not carry guns into the stores. Now when we do, if we do, it is the bad "patriot" who has no respect for the rules. By requesting, Starbucks has removed themselves from being the bad guy, because they did not prohibit guns, they just asked politely that you leave you gun at home.
Now, when the anti gun crowd see a gun carrier at Starbucks, they can shout to the rooftops; "See...Look, we told you about those gun people, they won't even honor a simple, polite, request. They just won't listen to reason, we have to push for more laws banning guns."
I would have rather Starbucks taken a real stand and posted their stores.
Any bad publicity they would have had, now is pushed onto the pro-gun side, and the anti-gunners get away scott free and get to claim a momentous "victory".
bob
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Bob,
And it is -ALL- the fault of pro-gun folks who couldn't leave well enough alone.
A company being neutral is a win, we should not have punished them by creating annual "Appreciation Days"; we should simply have patronized them while armed -as part of our normal routine- if we liked their coffee.
The OC attention whores instead put Starbucks on the skyline again and again, which any thinking person could see could -only- have negative possible results. Once you have absolute free exercise of a right, you can only lose it, you can't get it "more-er."
The phrase is "to shake their fists in the tyrant's face" not "use an unwilling neutral business to rub a "victory" in the face of the anti-gunners."
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So what was this about gay $2 bills? I like $2 bills. <identity crisis> ???
Can I still tip using 50¢ pieces and Eisenhower dollars? (dang, those are getting hard to find)
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I was all prepared to get all preachy about people who are anti OC
Then i just saw some pics from various events
This is why we can't have nice things. *expletive deleted*ers laying their rifles on the ground under their tables, bringing in all kinds of crazy.
They brought this on themselves.
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starbucks is now asking patrons to leave their guns outside! :O
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So am I forgiven now for not going to Starbucks ???
Here's the deal: Starbucks don't see no gun and I don't buy no overpriced long named coffee flavored stuff. :P
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So am I forgiven now for not going to Starbucks ???
Here's the deal: Starbucks don't see no gun and I don't buy no overpriced long named coffee flavored stuff. :P
You shouldn't have felt obliged to go there before, not for merely following state law. That was part of the problem, the perception that we owed them anything and should skyline them by expressing "appreciation.".
In any event, Starbucks coffee sucks, always has in my experience. There are better, local, roasters around, at least around here.
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So am I forgiven now for not going to Starbucks ???
Here's the deal: Starbucks don't see no gun and I don't buy no overpriced long named coffee flavored stuff. milk :P
Fixed that right up for you. Please leave something in the tip jar.
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I have a confession to make......
I went to Starbucks today....and I carried my gun with me.
My gun was concealed in a pocket holster. No one saw it. No one asked if I had a gun. I never mentioned it to the barrista. I didn't wear anything advertising that I was a gun owner. I bought iced tea for my wife & I. We met with our adoption worker. Our baby girl entertained a few customers. And the barristas thanked us for our business.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
Now, if the Texas Starbucks start posting 30.06 "CCW PROHIBITED" signs, Starbucks will never see another dime of my money. But, as long as they respect my CHL permit, I'll keep my gun concealed and not be a jerk in their establishments.
That's the real meaning of RKBA responsibility....don't be a jerk....
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"What is this, Chicago? Seven deployments to this shithole and Iraq, and suddenly I can't feed my caffeine need without putting my squad at stack arms and posting a guard? I guess it's back to chugging Ripits and ignoring the tachycardia."
As a side note: Bwahahahah. That's freaking funny. I don't know what's in those little cans but they will mess with your heart rate.
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As a side note: Bwahahahah. That's freaking funny. I don't know what's in those little cans but they will mess with your heart rate.
Glad you liked it. Hopefully duffleblog will
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That's the real meaning of RKBA responsibility....don't be a jerk....
+1,000. Then again, I personally believe that about all rights. Yep, you have a right to practice your religion freely, but jerks like Westboro piss me off.
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Glad you liked it. Hopefully duffleblog will
Local Dollar Tree has the big 20oz Rip-Its. CitrusX sugar free seems to be the least objectionable one. I buy about two weeks worth at a time.
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Fixed that right up for you. Please leave something in the tip jar.
Only Starbucks that I can recall having gone into is one near year house, by the Walmart at north Lynnwood. (can't remember that street name or exit # without looking at a map)
Paid $2 for their cheapest coffee which is about the worst coffee I ever drank. It was worth it just to get out of the fricking office for a few minutes.
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I'm offended, but only because of how fence-sitting, spineless and wishy-washy the Starbucks position is.
"We don't want guns in our stores (to try and appease the anti's who won't shut up), but we're not going to actually say anything, post anything, or do anything beyond this statement here (to try and not tick off the pro-gun people either)."
Weakness and stupidity on their part for thinking this will make the whole thing "go away faster" which I gather is what Starbucks really wants. This just continues it. Anti's will whine that it's "not enough", and Pro's will now be pissed.
They should have had the strength to stay the course Starbucks was on, which was "We don't care either way, and just want to mind our own business which is selling coffee, and following the laws of the states in which our various stores reside, period." This is now like a parent with two bickering kids in the back seat of the car, and finally caves in and gives some sort of hollow concession to the one that's being the most annoying.
Never works.
Allow me to retort.
Lets say that in a parallel universe, Burger King decides that it takes a standoffish stance on gay marriage, after Chick-Fil-A takes a very definate stance. Gays see this as an endorsement, start showing up in larger numbers to the stores. This is good for business, even if they lose a few on the other side who start counter protests. Some of the gays with more screws loose start ratcheting up their 'buycotts' by staging mini gay parades around the stores which in turn starts to scare off even some of the more moderate customers, while the other side starts protesting more loudly. Finally, the gays go full retard and start occupying the bathrooms, punch holes in the stalls and start running glory holes in Burger King stores to flaunt their 'right to sodomy.'
At which point of the spectrum do you think Burger King (in parallel universe) should have stepped in and said "whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't promote homosexuality, we don't fight homosexuality, in fact we don't even care about the politics, please keep your pants on and try not to scare the other guests of our stores."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FORtwA2lsjM
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I was all prepared to get all preachy about people who are anti OC
Then i just saw some pics from various events
This is why we can't have nice things. *expletive deleted* laying their rifles on the ground under their tables, bringing in all kinds of crazy.
They brought this on themselves.
:facepalm: I GOTS THE RIGHT TO OC A RIFLE DURR HURR HERP DERP
Sometimes the OC crowd goes deep into the territory of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should..."
What happened to "go to Starbucks and be normal", OC your normal rig and just be chill instead of trying to make a bold "statement"? Was it really that hard?
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We, or at least the folks that felt the need to go full retard, are what brought it on. Starbucks as a company just didn't care either way, but if you're going to force the issue then they are going to have to pick one side or the other. And does anyone really think a coffee chain is going to say "Shut up, these guys going full retard are more than welcome with their guns!"
No one cared till certain folks had to go full retard.
Never go full retard.
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Yeah, I never advocated (or even heard of until this thread) OCing or making a big deal about being pro-gun. I posted a "go give Starbucks some money" thing on the facebooks whenever anti's tried to do a boycott, but there's a huge difference between "give them money to show we outnumber the other side" and "form a fire team and get your venti caramel macchiato in 3-5 second squad rushes." Morons ruin it for everyone.
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"form a fire team and get your venti caramel macchiato in 3-5 second squad rushes." Morons ruin it for everyone.
:rofl:
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Yeah, I never advocated (or even heard of until this thread) OCing or making a big deal about being pro-gun. I posted a "go give Starbucks some money" thing on the facebooks whenever anti's tried to do a boycott, but there's a huge difference between "give them money to show we outnumber the other side" and "form a fire team and get your venti caramel macchiato in 3-5 second squad rushes." Morons ruin it for everyone.
I'm laughing my ass off
Lol
Well played
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+1,000. Then again, I personally believe that about all rights. Yep, you have a right to practice your religion freely, but jerks like Westboro piss me off.
Exactly! These were open-carry bullies in the way that Westboro are freedom-of-religion bullies - perhaps even worse since they pushed their agenda onto private property.
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A former employer, speaking of guns in trucks, said they made a policy of having no policy but he could see an idiot forcing them to establish a policy. Someone made Starbucks establish a policy. Thanks, guys!
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What's sad is that the idjits who created all this kerfluffle probably will never understand or acknowledge that THEY were in any way responsible for Starbucks shift in policy.
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Yeah, I never advocated (or even heard of until this thread) OCing or making a big deal about being pro-gun. I posted a "go give Starbucks some money" thing on the facebooks whenever anti's tried to do a boycott, but there's a huge difference between "give them money to show we outnumber the other side" and "form a fire team and get your venti caramel macchiato in 3-5 second squad rushes." Morons ruin it for everyone.
I'm laughing my ass off
Lol
Well played
As am I!! :rofl: :rofl: