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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Monkeyleg on August 28, 2013, 06:45:28 PM
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I've commented before on the ridiculous knit hats with ear flaps and string ties. When I was in my teens and twenties, the only people who wore those--male or female--were quintuple-super-nerds. Even the regular nerds wouldn't have been seen in them.
Now I see them everywhere. I saw a kid the other day driving a convertible wearing one. In Alabama. In August. In 90+ degree heat.
I don't get it.
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Bad enough to wear some stupid hat, but to cover yourself in tattoos that will remain long after the fad dies. Worse to do it so it can't be covered except with a hazmat suit.
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But the guy who did this should be strung up by his wedding tackle.
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A guy walks down the street in a hat like that - you know he's not afraid of anything. :lol:
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and people born the 1920's questioned your style when you were in your teen and 20's.
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It's the style of being a *expletive deleted*tard.
People are idiots and wear idiotic things, do idiotic things to their body, and of course do idiotic things to their cars.
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I really doubt that tattoos are just some fad. ;/
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I wear just about the same sort of clothes that I did back in 1880 =D
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A guy walks down the street in a hat like that - you know he's not afraid of anything. :lol:
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damn straight.
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Jayne Cobb, trend setter.
Gather around and listen to a tale,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1RkW1of6E
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I have 0 ink and no dog in this fight, other than being irritated with people who think tattoos are new.
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I have 0 ink and no dog in this fight, other than being irritated with people who think tattoos are new.
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That looks like it could be his own face over his heart area.
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I've commented before on the ridiculous knit hats with ear flaps and string ties. When I was in my teens and twenties, the only people who wore those--male or female--were quintuple-super-nerds. Even the regular nerds wouldn't have been seen in them.
That's the point. I think it's one part "I'm so awesome, I make this look cool," one part needing attention, and another part, "I reject society's fashion, man."
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It's all to make old farts like you cranky.
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High fashion 1974
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I tried to explain it to my son like this...
Fashions and styles change. When I was in high school, Levi 501 shrink to fit jeans, the mullet (especially with the front spiked,), and cheesy little moustaches were popular for guys. You wouldn't want to be seen with any of that now. Tats are in fashion now in a big way. But tats are a lifetime commitment often made for a fashion decision. Want some ink, get it done right by someone who knows what he is doing, put it somewhere that doesn't show 24/7 (like your face), and choose something that will be as meaningful in 20 years as it is now.
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It's all to make old farts like you cranky.
It works ...
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That's the point. I think it's one part "I'm so awesome, I make this look cool," one part needing attention, and another part, "I reject society's fashion, man."
Nailed it. It's that in a nutshell.
High fashion 1974
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In the 1970's we weren't completely blind to that stuff. Even then, it was being done with an undercurrent of "We're so ironic and this stuff is so awful it's cool..." or the contrast of the garish plaids on a suit coat etc. Of course, when it's in the Sears or JCP catalog, it's so mainstream, people have to do something else to set themselves apart, and it starts over again.
Although I do think there's a new proliferation of more diverse and perhaps more persistent fashions/subcultures, due to the Internet and modern communication. It kind of short circuited the whole, "What the cool kids in the big cities are doing, and it trickles out into the countryside over X-years.." system.
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I tried to explain it to my son like this...
Fashions and styles change. When I was in high school, Levi 501 shrink to fit jeans, the mullet (especially with the front spiked,), and cheesy little moustaches were popular for guys. You wouldn't want to be seen with any of that now.
Unless you're a hipster. Then you would like it very much. See my earlier comment.
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How many people my age (~60) do you see walking around with shag haircuts? Platform shoes?
What will young people in 30-40 years say about the 60-something's with tattoos covering arms, legs, chests, backs, hips, butts, hands, faces and God only knows where else? Does anyone think that tattoos will be fashionable in the year 2050?
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How many people my age (~60) do you see walking around with shag haircuts? Platform shoes?
What will young people in 30-40 years say about the 60-something's with tattoos covering arms, legs, chests, backs, hips, butts, hands, faces and God only knows where else? Does anyone think that tattoos will be fashionable in the year 2050?
Dick, I hate to burst your little bubble, but the folks who get tattoos all over like that generally arn't concerned with fasion or will care too much if it looks like crap in 2050.
That's not the majority of "younger folks".
I think I've snapped at you before for this, but good grief, stop being such an old fart. Just because you are that old, doesn't mean you have to act it. ;/ And the whole "kids these days" thing is annoying and just shows how unable you are to move forward and accept the times.
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I think I've snapped at you before for this, but good grief, stop being such an old fart. Just because you are that old, doesn't mean you have to act it. ;/ And the whole "kids these days" thing is annoying and just shows how unable you are to move forward and accept the times.
He thinks like an old dude, and you think like a young whippersnapper. That doesn't make you right, or him wrong. Besides, there's no law that says he must "move forward and accept the times." That's groupthink.
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That's the point. I think it's one part "I'm so awesome, I make this look cool," one part needing attention, and another part, "I reject society's fashion, man."
Lolz. Those that reject 'society's fashion' all dress, pierce, and tat the same.
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Does anyone think that tattoos will be fashionable in the year 2050?
Considering people have been wearing fashionable tattoos for the last four thousand years, I would be willing to bet "Yes".
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Dick, I hate to burst your little bubble, but the folks who get tattoos all over like that generally arn't concerned with fasion or will care too much if it looks like crap in 2050.
First of all, the people who get tattoos like that generally are VERY concerned with fashion. The may follow a different fashion trend, but they got the tattoos for the message they send.
Secondly, condemning your future self to a permanent fashion choice is your right, but I find it quite foolish. (Shoes, hair, clothes, etc.. can all be changed VERY easily. With only photographic evidence of your youthful foolishness.)
And, I'm sure they don't care it will look like crap (because it will) in 2050. Most of them have no concept of maturing, nor even of growing older (they are clearly two different things.)
Incidentally, it's not just "old pharts" who are disappointed by the shortsightedness of today's youth- some of use younger ones have the ability to look more than 5 years down the road.
(And don't get me started on the "disking" or any other like stupidity. I hope many of these people's future selves discover time travel and come back to kick their own youthful butts.)
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Lolz. Those that reject 'society's fashion' all dress, pierce, and tat the same.
I've been laughing at the "I want to be a non-conformist too" attitude since the '80s. :rofl:
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BSL, I don't give a rat's behind what any of these individuals do, although I find what they do amazing.
Fashions in the past weren't permanent. You could cut your hair differently, stop wearing this or that makeup, get rid of the spats, or stop wearing powdered wigs (before my time, believe it or not). I just think it's bizarre to do something as a fashion or a statement that's permanently marked on one's body.
It's not that I'm an "old fart". It's just that I've had many more years than most here to observe what people do, and to observe fashion trends. There's all sorts of factors that drive fashion, and some of those are manipulative factors driven by manufacturers (I've told the story already about the tie-dyed fad). I've had to laugh every time I saw a new outrageous fashion, as the motivation for embracing it is always the same. It's why my older brothers were greasers, it's why I had long hair, and it's why some of my nephews had the punk rock look. Some things never change, they just look different.
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BSL, I don't give a rat's behind what any of these individuals do, although I find what they do amazing.
Fashions in the past weren't permanent. You could cut your hair differently, stop wearing this or that makeup, get rid of the spats, or stop wearing powdered wigs (before my time, believe it or not). I just think it's bizarre to do something as a fashion or a statement that's permanently marked on one's body.
It's not that I'm an "old fart". It's just that I've had many more years than most here to observe what people do, and to observe fashion trends. There's all sorts of factors that drive fashion, and some of those are manipulative factors driven by manufacturers (I've told the story already about the tie-dyed fad). I've had to laugh every time I saw a new outrageous fashion, as the motivation for embracing it is always the same. It's why my older brothers were greasers, it's why I had long hair, and it's why some of my nephews had the punk rock look. Some things never change, they just look different.
Look up the Wasp Waste. That was pretty perminant, and has the benifit of being a style long before you were born, since you can't seem to grasp the concept that tattoos have been around long before you were a twinkle in your daddys eye as well.
Nobody is saying that anything is new or changed. Well, except that you come off as sounding like you think everyone is an idiot because it was better in the olden times.
Personally, I think it's amazing that you bother to be shocked by it at all.
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Look up the Wasp Waste. That was pretty perminant, and has the benifit of being a style long before you were born, since you can't seem to grasp the concept that tattoos have been around long before you were a twinkle in your daddys eye as well.
Nobody is saying that anything is new or changed. Well, except that you come off as sounding like you think everyone is an idiot because it was better in the olden times.
Personally, I think it's amazing that you bother to be shocked by it at all.
:facepalm: Waist. WAIST. :rofl: Unless you're refering to wasp feces. [popcorn] :angel:
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:facepalm: Waist. WAIST. :rofl: Unless you're refering to wasp feces. [popcorn] :angel:
*sigh* yes, suprise, BSL mixed up her spellings. What a shocker...
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You left an "r" out of surprise. >:D
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How many people my age (~60) do you see walking around with shag haircuts? Platform shoes?
What will young people in 30-40 years say about the 60-something's with tattoos covering arms, legs, chests, backs, hips, butts, hands, faces and God only knows where else? Does anyone think that tattoos will be fashionable in the year 2050?
If you go to a church, you will see lots of blue hairs wearing fashions from 30-50 years ago.
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Fashions come and fashions go. Even the fashion of tattooing comes and goes.
While I (as undisputed Oulde Pharte Curmudgeon Emeritus) may refer to certain spasmodic jerkings or the fully-clothed representations of the more energenic forms of recreational copulation, I do recall the expressions of angst uttered by the "adult" members of society upon seeing preceeding waves of contortionism performed by the youth of the day. One of the benefits of age affecting short-term but not ravaging long-term memory is the ability to remind you milk-toothed cubs of the utter shock engendered by one of the earliest line dances - the minuet, and the vapors caused by the raw sexuality displayed by those libertines who first waltzed.
And speaking of "fully clothed" - how many of you recall the uproar when garments covering the nether limbs first became fully enclosed?
Styles may stabilize due to practicality or some form of cultural stagnation, or may radically change as the youngest segment with purchasing power seeks to assert independence from their parents and also to create outward signs of membership in "the group". How may times throught history have we seen literal herds of snowflakes all dressed alike, all talking alike, and all going to hell in that ultra-large handbasket together?
Every once in awhile things come together such that several cultures with their distinguishing styles all crash upon the world stage in the same place and time. Terry may be able to back me up on the confluence of zoot suits, pegged jeans/white t-shirts/black penny loafers/duck's ass haircut, pendletons/khakis/bandanas and the pink sports coat/white carnation of the late 1940s mostly in SoCal but also NYC and Hartford, Conn, and ($diety forbid!) Debuque. Or the polo shirt/chinos progenitor of the Yuppie and the paisley hippie (before they discovered tie dying) on the Strand of South Carolina?
The truth is that becoming outraged at the goings-on of the younger set just encourages them to continue and to excalate. What I am seeing is that greater and greater numbers are not finding a life situation that makes "growing up" and "maturing" desirable or even necessary. While aware of the use of hats, colors, and the actual position of the hat and bill to designate membership/affiliation in social affinity groups (gangs), one of the saddest things for me to observe is a 40-something bopping down the street with his hat on sideways or hanging down protecting his neck while the rest of torso is bared in the hopes that tanned moobs will attract the girls.
Do not allow me to even start on what, how and why females of the various species/subspecies wear. Let us just say that the conflict between wearing for the purpose of attracting the male and the purpose of signaling other females scares the daylights out of me.
But before we dog-pile Dick for being a stick i the mud, we need to know - where between the points of his hips and his armpits the waistline of his pants are located. (And if he has a dunlap, if his pants go over or under.)
stay safe.
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My reasoning for not giving two ****'s about how other people dress compared to how i dress(including tats and piercings) is that everything we do in terms of how we looks has some sort of self fulfilling want behind it. I figure no matter how bland i try to dress or look in general, it still has the same basic motive as someone who decides to wear a chicken on their head that day. It all comes down to how we want others to view us. without this basic desire, why would we bother to wear anything other than grey coveralls everyday?
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BSL, I'm well aware that tattoos have been around since ink was invented, and probably before that. My grandfather had a few, and made me promise never to get one.
I'm just amazed that anyone would embrace something as fleeting as fashion in a permanent way. I can recall going to carnivals where you paid money to get into a tent to see a woman billed as a freak with not too many more tattoos than the one in the photo I posted.
I should note that the photos that Charby posted were hardly the most radical fashions of the 1970's. With the exception of the plaid pattern in the sport coats, the clothing is pretty bland.
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I should note that the photos that Charby posted were hardly the most radical fashions of the 1970's. With the exception of the plaid pattern in the sport coats, the clothing is pretty bland.
In the late 70's, I recall wearing a double-knit polyester bright pink leisure suit with a rayon Hawaiian shirt and a pukka shell necklace. I was stylin' and it sure got attention from the babes! Negative attention, now that I recall, but hey.
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One of the fastest growing businesses is Tattoo removal. Lots of Inkings of Regret out there.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Laser-Tattoo-Removal---A-Business-That-Continues-to-Grow&id=6439231
I think I see a business opportunity !!!!
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In the late 70's, I recall wearing a double-knit polyester bright pink leisure suit with a rayon Hawaiian shirt and a pukka shell necklace. I was stylin' and it sure got attention from the babes! Negative attention, now that I recall, but hey.
You're lucky one of the "babes" didn't kick you in the yarbles just for looking obnoxious. ;)
I watched friends wear plaid suits, get afro perms, wear monster platform shoes and all sorts of other hideous gear. I've always been fascinated by what marketing people can get the gullible to buy. Back in the 70's I predicted that the fashion moguls would get young people to wear union suits with the rear flap down. It hasn't happened yet, but the guys wearing sagging pants showing their butt cracks isn't too far off my prediction.
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(I've told the story already about the tie-dyed fad).
Link?
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I can't find a link. Maybe I've never told this story here.
In the very early 1970's a hurricane struck the southeast coast. Kohn Mills, which was the largest supplier of denim fabric to Levi Strauss, had their warehouses flooded. Millions of yards of denim were left blotchy by the ocean water. Levis Strauss was also stuck without a steady supply of denim.
Somebody in marketing had the bright idea to make jeans and jackets and whatnot from the damaged fabric, and charge more for it. They call it tie-dyed denim. And it went over big time. You couldn't walk ten feet on a college campus without seeing someone in a tie-dyed something.
Not only were they savvy enough to be able to sell their damaged goods to gullible trendy young people, but they also were bright enough to know that by charging more the damaged fabric would be seen as something special.
There's nothing I love in marketing so much as turning a defect into a feature. :)
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Sorta like the guys I read about in Manhattan, MT who were selling worn out jeans to the wannabes in Manhattan, NY =D
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There's nothing I love in marketing so much as turning a defect into a feature. :)
You wouldn't happen to work for Microsoft would you?
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And speaking of "fully clothed" - how many of you recall the uproar when garments covering the nether limbs first became fully enclosed?
I was at one of my son's baseball games this year when I noticed that one of the opposing team's coach was wearing a kilt.
My first thought was 'THAT LOOKS COOL. I should get one plus it will annoy the wife.'
My wife taps me on the shoulder and says "Check out that kilt, it looks cool, you should get one."
:facepalm:
She must have been reading my mind because it completely ruined it for me.
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I was at one of my son's baseball games this year when I noticed that one of the opposing team's coach was wearing a kilt.
My first thought was 'THAT LOOKS COOL. I should get one plus it will annoy the wife.'
My wife taps me on the shoulder and says "Check out that kilt, it looks cool, you should get one."
:facepalm:
She must have been reading my mind because it completely ruined it for me.
Yeah, see, parents of teens need to understand this trick. Approval can ruin an outfit.
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... one of the opposing team's coach was wearing a kilt . . .
Wearing a kilt is not about fashion, it's about FREEDOM!!
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Wearing a kilt is not about fashion, it's about FREEDOM!!
Ohhhhh-K. The boxers not quite loose enough for ya?
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Wearing a kilt is not about fashion, it's about FREEDOM!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Ohhhhh-K. The boxers not quite loose enough for ya?
If it irritates fistful, then I'm going to get one... and post pics.
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I was at one of my son's baseball games this year when I noticed that one of the opposing team's coach was wearing a kilt.
My first thought was 'THAT LOOKS COOL. I should get one plus it will annoy the wife.'
My wife taps me on the shoulder and says "Check out that kilt, it looks cool, you should get one."
:facepalm:
She must have been reading my mind because it completely ruined it for me.
So she kilt your enthusiasm ;)
FWIW, the original "kilt" was an outer garment or cloak/coat. Under that would have been a roughly knee length linen shirt. So technically kilts are not a substitute for trews or trousers, because pants would have been not known or only rarely worn in those days. Somebody just got the bright idea to wear his belt on the outside of his cloak.
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Ohhhhh-K. The boxers not quite loose enough for ya?
Don't knock it until you try it.
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Ohhhhh-K. The boxers not quite loose enough for ya?
Oh wod is me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I'm still waiting for my ponytail to come back in style.
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I'm still waiting for my ponytail to come back in style.
May it never be.
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My pony has a long tail :lol:
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I'm still waiting for my ponytail to come back in style.
Me too. If it does, I'm gonna have to find a way of attaching it too my head, though. My wife keeps it in a suitcase somewhere...
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I gave up trying to figure out fashion AGES ago... roughly in jr high. Instead, I just wore what I thought was cool. And still do... including the kilt
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I gave up trying to figure out fashion AGES ago... roughly in jr high. Instead, I just wore what I thought was cool. And still do... including the kilt
I'd say "wearing what you think is cool" is a pretty succinct definition of fashion.
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I'm still waiting for my ponytail to come back in style.
I work at a university and there is a lot of male students with pony tails.
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>I'd say "wearing what you think is cool" is a pretty succinct definition of fashion.<
"Fashion" generally refers to what society (or a given subculture) say is "correct"
I ignore that entirely
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"Fashion" generally refers to what society (or a given subculture) say is "correct"
I ignore that entirely
Where do you think you got your idea of "cool"?
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Pony tail shmony tail.
Just go with a rat tail and call it good
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Some of todays fads will provide hours of amusement 20-30 years from now. Like, guess what the tattoo used to be a picture of before she gained 100 pounds and got all wrinkled. And when the guys with the giant gauges in their ears get old and saggy, their lobes will be flopping around getting caught in elevator doors and whatnot. =D
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Some of todays fads will provide hours of amusement 20-30 years from now. Like, guess what the tattoo used to be a picture of before she gained 100 pounds and got all wrinkled. And when the guys with the giant gauges in their ears get old and saggy, their lobes will be flopping around getting caught in elevator doors and whatnot. =D
No, they'll just use them to hold their ponytail.
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No, they'll just use them to hold their ponytail.
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Bedlimite, I really really hate you right now.
That is so *expletive deleted*ing gross. [barf]
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Bedlimite, I really really hate you right now.
That is so *expletive deleted* gross. [barf]
Why you gotta be so judgmental?
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Why you gotta be so judgmental?
Blame my touchy guts.
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I'm with Dick where tats are concerned. I can always deny/hide my prom pictures from 1972. Velour tuxedo jackets, I poopest thee not. Tattoos otoh, are a permanent subscription to a temporary fad. I know tattoos have been around since before recorded history. So has syphillus.
I don't know 5 people my age with tattoos. I don't know 5 people under thirty without 'em.
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I don't know 5 people my age with tattoos. I don't know 5 people under thirty without 'em.
I'm 51 and I know quite a few people my age that have tattoos, I've got 3 that I can show in public.
Sometimes it's the demographic you hang around with, not counting kids and neices and nephews I'm not sure I know 5 people under 30 that I associate with.
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Tattoos otoh, are a permanent subscription to a temporary fad. I know tattoos have been around since before recorded history.
I don't think temporary fad mean what you think it means.
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Sometimes it's the demographic you hang around with, not counting kids and neices and nephews I'm not sure I know 5 people under 30 that I associate with.
There are people under 30 ??? Who knew? :facepalm:
=D
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Y'all just keep talking about the passing fad of fashion...and I'll keep wearing an onion on my belt....
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Y'all just keep talking about the passing fad of fashion...and I'll keep wearing an onion on my belt....
It was the style at the time.
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Y'all just keep talking about the passing fad of fashion...and I'll keep wearing an onion on my belt....
Give me five bees for a quarter.
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Give me five bees for a quarter.
Uh, can you explain that?
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Uh, can you explain that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUj8dma0oo
Check your email.