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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Scout26 on November 01, 2013, 01:00:26 AM
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Everyone knows about the news stories about somewhere between 7 and 11 million Americans in the Individual Insurance Market getting their policies cancelled. (The "If you like like your plan you can keep it." Lie.)
And that the administration knew about well in advance.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-knew-millions-wouldn-t-be-able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html
(Fox News called it back in May: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/30/obamacare-to-usher-in-health-insurance-cancellation-notices/)
Along those same lines (and because of the same reasons), 50-75% of Employer provided health plans will cancelled when the employer mandate kicks in. (Which should have happen earlier this year.)
All those notices will go out around this time next year. About a week before the election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg
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Along those same lines (and because of the same reasons), 50-75% of Employer provided health plans will cancelled when the employer mandate kicks in. (Which should have happen earlier this year.)
All those notices will go out around this time next year. About a week before the election.
The obvious question: How will this be blamed on the GOP candidate?
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The obvious question: How will this be blamed on the Ted Cruz?
FTFY.
The GOP is in on Obamacare. There are only a few people in congress that are trying to stop/repeal this mess.
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FTFY.
The GOP is in on Obamacare. There are only a few people in congress that are trying to stop/repeal this mess.
Well, I was thinking (wishfully) that it was already a presidential election year. I blame candy overdose.
Still, going along with the Democrats doesn't mean they won't skewer you for any and every reason, and politically destroy you.
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It's all part of the
Democrats Socialists plan to achieve their stated goal of Single Payer health care.
No big surprises here. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_xwnVLC-YQ
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It's all part of the Democrats Socialists plan to achieve their stated goal of Single Payer health care.
No big surprises here. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_xwnVLC-YQ
Bingo
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It's all part of the Democrats Socialists plan to achieve their stated goal of Single Payer health care.
No big surprises here. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_xwnVLC-YQ
Fortunately these socialists are inept and have made such an absolute mess of things, I think (and hope) that the people of this country will recoil in horror at the idea of giving the government more control over all of this.
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I wish i agreed
I suspect you overestimate the people.
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I wish i agreed
I suspect you overestimate the people.
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New and Improved! Bread and Circuses, re-released as Starbucks and Reality TV!
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Fortunately these socialists are inept and have made such an absolute mess of things, I think (and hope) that the people of this country will recoil in horror at the idea of giving the government more control over all of this.
I'm afraid you are more optimistic then I. The problem will of course be the greedy insurance companies fouling up the works, and solutions will be implemented to that end.
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I fear I must agree with the pessimists.
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The obvious question: How will this be blamed on the GOP candidate?
Easy. Blame the GOP for the Affordable Health Act law and blame Obame for Obamacare.
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Fortunately these socialists are inept and have made such an absolute mess of things, I think (and hope) that the people of this country will recoil in horror at the idea of giving the government more control over all of this.
I'm afraid I lack your optimism.
My bet is on the "see! We told you the way to go is government healthcare! Those big bad republicans are to blame for holding things up!"
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"Everything would be working fine if the evil, heartless Republicans weren't in cahoots with with the evil, greedy insurance companies!"
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Fortunately these socialists are inept and have made such an absolute mess of things, I think (and hope) that the people of this country will recoil in horror at the idea of giving the government more control over all of this.
The Socialists don't care if O'Care collapses, it will just give them the opportunity to swoop in an do something!
"Everything would be working fine if the evil, heartless Republicans weren't in cahoots with with the evil, greedy insurance companies!"
Werd!
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"Everything would be working fine if the evil, heartless Republicans weren't in cahoots with with the evil, greedy insurance companies!"
What kills me is that now that they have re-engineered their marketing and sales models, the insurance companies are in cahoots with Obamacare. They WANT it to go forward, even though the ultimate end-game of O-care is to put them out of business with a single payer solution (government tax revenue).
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What kills me is that now that they have re-engineered their marketing and sales models, the insurance companies are in cahoots with Obamacare. They WANT it to go forward, even though the ultimate end-game of O-care is to put them out of business with a single payer solution (government tax revenue).
True it is. They stand to make a metric butt load of money with the new minimum insurance requirements in the unACA
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True it is. They stand to make a metric butt load of money with the new minimum insurance requirements in the unACA
But only for maybe a decade or so. At which point, the economic reality of "insurance" when it comes to health care will be exposed as unrealistic, and the socialists can try to institutionalize a "right" to health care and make insurance a thing of the past.
This shyt would cost 1/10th of what it does today if you got rid of all the MillCreeks (risk managers) and AZRedhawks (expensive IT guys) and Gertrude (damned paper-pushing billers). No ICD9/CPT4 codes. Just doc, patient, and treatment.
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The obvious question: How will this be blamed on the GOP candidate?
I blame the GOP right now. If they had stood their ground in the .gov shut down, instead of grabbing ankle at the first sign of bad press, we might of had a different story.
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This shyt would cost 1/10th of what it does today if you got rid of all the MillCreeks (risk managers) and AZRedhawks (expensive IT guys) and Gertrude (damned paper-pushing billers). No ICD9/CPT4 codes. Just doc, patient, and treatment.
Speaking of which, are you guys going to have the ICD-10 ready to go for us? Time is running short!
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Speaking of which, are you guys going to have the ICD-10 ready to go for us? Time is running short!
Is there a new set of diagnostic codes coming out? I'm a few years removed from working in that industry, but I do a little bit of consulting from time to time for a former employer.
Frankly, I'm happy to throw in the towel and have a 2 tier healthcare system. Free shyt for the Free Shyt Army, and good health care for people that understand how economies actually operate. You get postal/tsa/public school quality employees in the free system, and no governmental fee schedules are accepted at all in the private system.
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I blame the GOP right now. If they had stood their ground in the .gov shut down, instead of grabbing ankle at the first sign of bad press, we might of had a different story.
"Might have had." And I just don't see them having that much leverage at that point in time. Now, if they had stood their ground when the bill came up for a vote. Or if the Supreme Court had stood its ground...
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Is there a new set of diagnostic codes coming out? I'm a few years removed from working in that industry, but I do a little bit of consulting from time to time for a former employer.
http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD10/index.html?redirect=/ICD10/
Theoretically, all of our electronic medical record and billing software has to be ready to do ICD-10 on 1 October 2014. All of the private and public payors are adopting the standard. It will lead to many more diagnosis codes and inpatient procedure codes. At least at this time CPT is remaining unchanged.
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The Fail gets even stronger:
Apparently, testing the DAY BEFORE the launch of Healthcare.gov showed that more then 1100 users would crash the system.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/6/last-minute-bulletin-obamacare-website-couldnt-han/
Hey, Republicans here's a freebie.
"If they can't even do something as simple as design a website, how well do you think they will manage your healthcare?"
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Delaware? Has 4 folks signed up at a mill each
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Hey, Republicans here's a freebie.
Don't tell me - you were the kid that asked for a pony every Birthday even though you never got one. :P =D
The R's wouldn't know an easy lob if it smacked them in the forehead.
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Don't tell me - you were the kid that asked for a pony every Birthday even though you never got one. :P =D
The R's wouldn't know an easy lob if it smacked them in the forehead.
or they really want something like 0-care, and are happy to let the D.s get it past their base.
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Everyone knows about the news stories about somewhere between 7 and 11 million Americans in the Individual Insurance Market getting their policies cancelled. (The "If you like like your plan you can keep it." Lie.)
And that the administration knew about well in advance.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-knew-millions-wouldn-t-be-able-to-keep-insurance--report-222249311.html
(Fox News called it back in May: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/30/obamacare-to-usher-in-health-insurance-cancellation-notices/)
Along those same lines (and because of the same reasons), 50-75% of Employer provided health plans will cancelled when the employer mandate kicks in. (Which should have happen earlier this year.)
All those notices will go out around this time next year. About a week before the election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg
Employer based healthcare insurance is stupid for many reasons. Why do we want to preserve that?
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Employer based healthcare insurance is stupid for many reasons. Why do we want to preserve that?
For the same reason i decline to like obama telling me what to do i reject your equally onerous attempt
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Having mice in your house is bad, and trying to get rid of them is a good idea. Rejecting the idea of burning your house down to accomplish this is not inconsistent.
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2 non-answers so far. Can I get 3 non-answers as to why we want to preserve an employer based system?
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I actually do not like employer based healthcare. But Government forced healthcare is worse. The R's proposed Tax credit for buying health insurance and or paying for your own healthcare is a step in the right direction.
Meanwhile, for the cost of lifetime limits on insurance Delaware enrolls four, count 'em, FOUR, people through their exchange. At a cost of $1 million per enrollee. Success !!!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/11/07/delaware-spent-4-million-to-enroll-four-people-in-obamacare-n1742240?utm_source=facebook
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I like employers being allowed to offer insurance and folks being allowed to buy or not buy their own. Business owners should be allowed to offer anything they want to employees. Liberty and all
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@ scout
So you're saying, the disastrous ACA is forcing people out of employer based is the main issue, rather than incentive them out. That makes sense.
But at a certain point, if the gov't levels the tax incentive systems to start pushing away from employer based I think we would still see employers dropping their health care benefits as a matter of headache avoidance.
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@ scout
So you're saying, the disastrous ACA is forcing people out of employer based is the main issue, rather than incentive them out. That makes sense.
But at a certain point, if the gov't levels the tax incentive systems to start pushing away from employer based I think we would still see employers dropping their health care benefits as a matter of headache avoidance.
This should be a market driven process, at least as much as possible. If the market steers away from employer based systems, so be it. Employers should have the same degree of choice as employees.
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2 non-answers so far. Can I get 3 non-answers as to why we want to preserve an employer based system?
We don't like the current model. We think the proposed new model is worse. Not sure why that's difficult to understand? ???
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It's ok, guys. Obama's sorry.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/07/bipartisan-bill-to-delay-individual-mandate-introduced-as-obama-apologizes-over/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/07/bipartisan-bill-to-delay-individual-mandate-introduced-as-obama-apologizes-over/)
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Employer based healthcare insurance is stupid for many reasons. Why do we want to preserve that?
I agree with your first point.
We want to preserve that because change ought to gradual and slow. Employer-based health insurance has existed for coming up on 70 years. The government created these perverse incentives to create this situation. (Wage controls during WWII to begin with, special tax consideration now.)
The situation needs to be rectified SLOWLY because people are used to employer based health insurance. Begin by treating individually purchased healthcare and employer provided healthcare the same (i.e. preferential tax treatment for both.) The situation will work itself out.
We ought not to FORCE choices on people. We ought to stop providing incentives for a sub-optimal choice, though.
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It's ok, guys. Obama's sorry.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/07/bipartisan-bill-to-delay-individual-mandate-introduced-as-obama-apologizes-over/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/07/bipartisan-bill-to-delay-individual-mandate-introduced-as-obama-apologizes-over/)
He's SORRY alright.
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At a certain point, those of us against ACA should not put ourselves in a verbal corner.
We need to be careful at this point about saying ACA is bad because it is going to cause employees to lose their employer sponsored quasi-insurance; and then later support systems that move us away from employer based quasi-insurance.
We need to be careful and say ACA is bad because it is killing the private market. It doesn't truly reform our health care system, while driving more cost. And makes many employer based and privately bought insurance plans illegal since they do not meet ACA regulatory requirements. That is a different story than just saying its bad because companies are dropping employee based insurance. The plans are being dropped because the regulation is potentially forcing it out.