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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on November 08, 2013, 11:57:02 AM
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http://www.myfoxny.com/video?clipId=9504622&autoStart=true
Hmm.
Premise: make underwear that is so strong that a rapist cannot forcibly pull them down, or cut them.
The big flaw I see in the product, is you now have a product that is cut-proof, but imagine you have an attacker over a woman wearing one of these. He's trying to cut the product off, and can't. What do you think he is going to do next with his knife, now that he's been foiled by super-panties?
I "get" the product... it's sort of like a bulletproof vest. Wearing a vest doesn't mean you want to get shot, and wearing this product doesn't mean a woman intends to get into rape-likely situations. Most folks believe that rape is about taking power over another person though, and when a rapist encounters something as frustrating as this thing, he might encourage himself to pursue other ways to take power over the victim.
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If a woman is dead set on fighting back viciously, these may be a good supplement to help buy her time...
If she's not though, I don't think it would be helpful.
Interesting idea, I hope it works out.
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Seems to me that in an effort to remove the stigma, encourage communication, and that over-used phrase, "raise awareness", the whole idea that "rape is really about power, not sex" is getting over done. It most absolutely is a crime of sexual gratification, and yes, there are elements of surprise, dominance, and power involved, however they only serve to enhance the perpetrator's sexual gratification.
If it were all about power and not sex, "rapists" would just beat people up, make them lick their boots, and say something denigrating about themselves before running off into the night.
As to the underwear, I'm neutral on the idea. If in the heat of the moment the rapist doesn't realize that the underwear is specifically designed to stop him, he may just get frustrated and leave. Or it could be useful in date or party rape where drugs (voluntary or involuntary) or alcohol are involved, and the rapist is more opportunistic isn't as likely to be angry and forceful.
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I can think of better ideas for protection than a chastity belt.
$5 says more sales from fetish folks than protection folks.
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As a prevention for date rape it's so so.
As a prevention of drunk idiot sex... They may be on to something ("drunk idiot sex" = so drunk neither party can say weither they consented or not. The leading cause of chick crying foul the next morning at a confused and very hungover dude)
For the prevention of violent rape? That is the dumbest idea ever. I disagree with AJ. I think this loses the victims advatage to fight back. Now, instead wanting to subdue and rape (which gives you more time to *expletive deleted*ck him up and get away) , you've pissed him off and he kills you immediatly.
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They should put more energy into anti rape underwear for the rapists to wear.
I would offer to help design it. It would have to include non removable sharp metal components.
I think anyone geared towards reinforced she briefs likely has a false sense of security.
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When I first heard of this I thought there may be a strategicly placed juliene slicer or maybe a spring loaded noose, like a snare. Not so much a prevetative as a retribution.
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When I first heard of this I thought there may be a strategicly placed juliene slicer or maybe a spring loaded noose, like a snare. Not so much a prevetative as a retribution.
If I remember correctly, Vietcong women would use a shot glass and razor blades. A few GI's needed corrective surgery.
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When I first heard of this I thought there may be a strategicly placed juliene slicer or maybe a spring loaded noose, like a snare. Not so much a prevetative as a retribution.
There have been inventions of that type, but it appears that they haven't made it to the production stage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device)
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When I first heard of this I thought there may be a strategicly placed juliene slicer or maybe a spring loaded noose, like a snare. Not so much a prevetative as a retribution.
I like that. It sends a nice message. "You made it this far... You won't be going any further."
Plus, no more repeat offenders. =D
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http://www.myfoxny.com/video?clipId=9504622&autoStart=true
Did you all watch the lady at the end, with her brainless victim-blaming grievance? :laugh: She's actually upset with the idea that women should accept any responsibility for defending themselves from rape. Leftists... =|
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I would bet, just in a numbers game, that these are more likely to foil first responders than rapists.
But I do like the idea of women (and men for that matter) think I g about their safety and taking some responsibility for it. As we often say about less then optimum firearms "It's better then a sharp stick".
Although combining these with a sharp stick could have possibilities. Defense in depth.
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What happens if the wearer has to pee?
A frustrated rapist seems to me more likely to beat the hell out of the victim than to just give up and leave. Stabbing the bastard in the eye seems like a much better option.
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Did Biden come up with this idea?
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A frustrated rapist seems to me more likely to beat the hell out of the victim than to just give up and leave. Stabbing the bastard in the eye seems like a much better option.
I guess it's up to the individual to decide whether they want rape or a severe beating. But at least they wouldn't get both.
As for stabbing him in the eye - why not wear the underwear and stab him in the eye both eyes?
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Nah. Both eyes & we'd have to support him.
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Nah. Both eyes & we'd have to support him.
I'm good with attempted rapists getting three hots and a cot - for life. =)
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I bet a guy could make a mint selling these in men's sizes in New Mexico.
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I bet a guy could make a mint selling these in men's sizes in New Mexico.
/thread win
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I bet a guy could make a mint selling these in men's sizes in New Mexico.
Maybe I don't want to know. =|
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Maybe I don't want to know. =|
fistful, it has been under discussion here...http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=41942.0 (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=41942.0)
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Ohhhh, OK. I didn't get the NM connection.
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I bet a guy could make a mint selling these in men's sizes in New Mexico.
You'd probably get charged with resisting arrest.
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My lady friend didn't like the idea of them. Alcohol would be a better analogy for her perspective. Drinking or not drinking should not be a mitigating circumstance. Far too many folks are under the opinion that as soon as a female takes even a sip of the mildest wine, there should be a huge discount on anything that happens to that female. Conversely, if a male does anything while under the influence of alcohol, he should get more of a pass.
Likely it's not a universal thing, but it was a widely "understood" thing in the small rural towns both the lady friend and I grew up in. Oh, and every college/university I've ever seen, wishing to ensure they have the proper crime stats. "Not struggling enough", "not enough physical injuries" and plenty of other excuses out there. She's moreso concerned if they actually (unlikely) caught on, a victim not wearing them would be a mitigating defense for rapists. I was a bit skeptical at first, but the alcohol analogy made it a lot more clear.
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My lady friend didn't like the idea of them. Alcohol would be a better analogy for her perspective. Drinking or not drinking should not be a mitigating circumstance. Far too many folks are under the opinion that as soon as a female takes even a sip of the mildest wine, there should be a huge discount on anything that happens to that female. Conversely, if a male does anything while under the influence of alcohol, he should get more of a pass.
Likely it's not a universal thing, but it was a widely "understood" thing in the small rural towns both the lady friend and I grew up in. Oh, and every college/university I've ever seen, wishing to ensure they have the proper crime stats. "Not struggling enough", "not enough physical injuries" and plenty of other excuses out there. She's moreso concerned if they actually (unlikely) caught on, a victim not wearing them would be a mitigating defense for rapists. I was a bit skeptical at first, but the alcohol analogy made it a lot more clear.
How drunk were you when that made sense?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one perplexed by Rev's answer. I just figured I was having a bad comprehension day, but it seems lots of posts recently are relying on implied sarcasm and double entendre or inferred meaning.
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Rev,
Tell your friend the same argument could be applied (but hasn't) to a whole list of other self-defense options. Guns, knives, pepper spray, kubatons, rape whistles, those spiky key-chain things, bulletproof vests.
"That guy didn't have any throwing stars - he was just asking to be mugged and shot in the back!"
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Rev,
Tell your friend the same argument could be applied (but hasn't) to a whole list of other self-defense options. Guns, knives, pepper spray, kubatons, rape whistles, those spiky key-chain things, bulletproof vests.
"That guy didn't have any throwing stars - he was just asking to be mugged and shot in the back!"
That's exactly the problem. This device is not quite but almost useless in terms of self-defense. There's some concern, which I hope turns out to be overblown, that instead it'll just be a poison pill gift to the more scummy defense attorneys and prosecutors. There are plenty of both out there, that try to use any ridiculous excuse as a "mitigating" circumstance. For whatever reason, some folks are eager to buy any excuse in a rape case.
Clothing has been brought up before, to "prove" the victim was "asking for it". It sounds like it's ridiculous. It SHOULD be ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's a potential concern.
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Even better antirape underwear.
http://thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
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Even better antirape underwear.
http://thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
And now this thread has been won!
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That's exactly the problem. This device is not quite but almost useless in terms of self-defense. There's some concern, which I hope turns out to be overblown, that instead it'll just be a poison pill gift to the more scummy defense attorneys and prosecutors. There are plenty of both out there, that try to use any ridiculous excuse as a "mitigating" circumstance. For whatever reason, some folks are eager to buy any excuse in a rape case.
Clothing has been brought up before, to "prove" the victim was "asking for it". It sounds like it's ridiculous. It SHOULD be ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's a potential concern.
You're telling me there are rape victims that have lost cases, because they weren't carrying mace or a rape whistle?