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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on November 21, 2013, 07:55:59 AM
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21559785-giant-boeing-747-freighter-lands-at-wrong-kansas-airport?lite
Uh oh. The Dreamlifters are based at Paine Field in Everett and I drive by them all the time. I am sure they will figure out something.
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Sounds like an RGE for the flight crew.
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RGE?
Maybe they updated the article, but it says that they figured out that it could take off. Wasn't mentioned whether that would be by unloading some or all of the cargo...
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RGE?
Maybe they updated the article, but it says that they figured out that it could take off. Wasn't mentioned whether that would be by unloading some or all of the cargo...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rge (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rge)
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Wow, that "RGE" was pretty obscure. Thanks, adively, on behalf of all the rest of us who are not "hip" and "cool" and "with it."
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If it's unloaded, I'm betting its no big deal. The original 747 took off in some crazy short distance, like 3500'. Empty, of course. Loaded should be a lot more fun.
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Those Dreamliner parts are so lightweight that it shouldn't be any problem =D
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That has happened more than a few times in the airline world
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Those Dreamliner parts are so lightweight that it shouldn't be any problem =D
Made of upsy-daisyum. They have to bolt them to the floor so they don't float away.
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That has happened more than a few times in the airline world
This.
We sit real close to HOU. When they're on 30, people try and slip in to our 35 on the visual from time to time. UAL is bad about it for some reason....
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Last year in Tampa we had a loaded C-17 accidentally land on a 3,500' runway. He was a couple miles short of his intended target. Apparently getting it back in the air was tricky.
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That has happened more than a few times in the airline world
I remember the story of a Continental Airlines pilot landing his 737 at Cabaniss Field in Corpus Christi back in 1997. Looking at the aerials you can see how easy it would be to make the mistake visually since CCIA and Cabaniss are only separated by maybe five miles, North-South, and have runways on virtually identical headings. If CCIA is obscured for some reason then Cabaniss becomes the obvious choice. I vaguely recall the article saying something along the lines of CCIA being VFR for the most part with air traffic control being out of San Antonio, with the combination being how the mistake was made. Must have been loaded light too since the Cabaniss runways look like they're about half of CCIA's length
For those as don't know, Cabaniss Field is a WWII era training airfield that the Navy still uses for touch-and-go training so the runways are maintained but nothing else is really. As a result the hangars, which are the main visible structures, look like some post- apocalyptic nightmare. I can only imagine what the flight crew and passengers thought at the sight of them.
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For those as don't know, Cabaniss Field is a WWII era training airfield that the Navy still uses for touch-and-go training so the runways are maintained but nothing else is really. As a result the hangars, which are the main visible structures, look like some post- apocalyptic nightmare. I can only imagine what the flight crew and passengers thought at the sight of them.
Probably thought they were in "The Langoliers" :lol:
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Last year in Tampa we had a loaded C-17 accidentally land on a 3,500' runway. He was a couple miles short of his intended target. Apparently getting it back in the air was tricky.
Interesting, as I've seen a heavily loaded C17 take off in less space. Of course, they want more runway in case they need to abort.... :O
Back in the day, they did hot weather testing at the airfield I worked at (Yuma AZ). Then the damn test C17 followed us to 29 palms when we went up there for CAX, so they could test it on the mobile air field runway.
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Just took off. Nice to watch.
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Take-off footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjbARHz6o0
Took off with about 1000 feet to spare. Good he didn't have to abort.
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Take-off footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjbARHz6o0
Took off with about 1000 feet to spare. Good he didn't have to abort.
I think the same thing taking off from SLC in a 737 with about 100 feet to spare :O
And that's after burning up about half the fuel just taxi-ing ;/
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I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels. I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.
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I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels. I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.
According to Wikipedia the Blue Angels had to stop the JATO takoffs in 2009 because of dwindling rocket stocks. =(
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I think the same thing taking off from SLC in a 737 with about 100 feet to spare :O
And that's after burning up about half the fuel just taxi-ing ;/
WTF? SLC has long runways.
I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels. I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.
They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.
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According to Wikipedia the Blue Angels had to stop the JATO takoffs in 2009 because of dwindling rocket stocks. =(
My understanding is the J model killed off the need for jato.WTF? SLC has long runways.
They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.
Perception I'm sure.
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They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.
Oh, indeed. But it looks so cool to see that thing rotate in 100 yards and start climbing at a 45 degree angle.
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Probably thought they were in "The Langoliers" :lol:
That's exactly what I thought of when I read that post.
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According to Wikipedia the Blue Angels had to stop the JATO takoffs in 2009 because of dwindling rocket stocks.
Oh, indeed. But it looks so cool to see that thing rotate in 100 yards and start climbing at a 45 degree angle.
Until one of the bottles breaks loose, then you are screwed.
http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/history/321/321.html
bob
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Need to give the ruskies a call. Bring over that antov 225 and load the dream lifter inside of it.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rge (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rge)
Also known as a CAE, career altering event.
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WTF? SLC has long runways.
Must be the altitude, but it was in the winter/spring so it wasn't that hot.
Scared the crap out of me - rotated and lifted off and there was dirt below.
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Must be the altitude, but it was in the winter/spring so it wasn't that hot.
Scared the crap out of me - rotated and lifted off and there was dirt below.
I'm sure Tony can elaborate more on this, but I've seen planes that are clearly at speed stay on the runway while building more speed before rotating. I'd imagine maybe it's to get a faster initial climb rate.
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I'm sure Tony can elaborate more on this, but I've seen planes that are clearly at speed stay on the runway while building more speed before rotating. I'd imagine maybe it's to get a faster initial climb rate.
Well, it sure gets a faster heart rate :lol:
Unlike most passengers, I actually pay attention to what the aircraft is doing.
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Takeoff rotation is predicated on the flight data done prior to starting engines. S1 airspeed is calculated, as is V1. S1 is decision, V1 is rotate. V1 can be quite a ways down the runway, especially to somebody observing from the outside. ;)
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Takeoff rotation is predicated on the flight data done prior to starting engines. S1 airspeed is calculated, as is V1. S1 is decision, V1 is rotate. V1 can be quite a ways down the runway, especially to somebody observing from the outside. ;)
That must be the military version, but it is close to the civilian version.
V1 is decision speed. If everything is working right, keep going. If not, stop.
VR is rotation speed. Time to rotate the nose upwards and takeoff.
V2 is engine-out climb speed.
The speeds are based on weight, density altitude, runway length, aircraft limitations, and initial climb requirements. Generally speaking, more speed is more better, but it has to be balanced with available runway to stop on. The speeds are planned for the worst case scenario: engine failure at V1, then continue the takeoff and climb. More speed on the ground equals more energy for the initial climb.
When I takeoff out of Ft Myers, FL (RSW) the V1 speed is usually pretty high because RSW has a 12,000 ft long runway. Lots of room to stop if needed.
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That must be the military version, but it is close to the civilian version.
V1 is decision speed. If everything is working right, keep going. If not, stop.
VR is rotation speed. Time to rotate the nose upwards and takeoff.
V2 is engine-out climb speed.
The speeds are based on weight, density altitude, runway length, aircraft limitations, and initial climb requirements. Generally speaking, more speed is more better, but it has to be balanced with available runway to stop on. The speeds are planned for the worst case scenario: engine failure at V1, then continue the takeoff and climb. More speed on the ground equals more energy for the initial climb.
When I takeoff out of Ft Myers, FL (RSW) the V1 speed is usually pretty high because RSW has a 12,000 ft long runway. Lots of room to stop if needed.
I had to explain this to a co worker when a DC9 used most of the 9,000 footer the other day. But she's a little dumb anyways.
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I had to explain this to a co worker when a DC9 used most of the 9,000 footer the other day. But she's a little dumb anyways.
If you really want to scramble her brain, ask her what powers the wheels on the ground.
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If you really want to scramble her brain, ask her what powers the wheels on the ground.
Fission engine.
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Looking back on it, I'm thinking that after taxing at SLC for thirty or forty minutes, the pilots just forgot how to fly and were going to drive all the way to California - right up until they saw the end of the runway and decided maybe they better do something else =D
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Looking back on it, I'm thinking that after taxing at SLC for thirty or forty minutes, the pilots just forgot how to fly and were going to drive all the way to California - right up until they saw the end of the runway and decided maybe they better do something else =D
Not to pick nits but the way SLC is laid out I'm pretty sure you didn't taxi that long. Probably just felt like it.
Not that I wasn't ATC there for over 6 years or anything. ;)
Terminals sit between the parallel runways this drops taxi time. SLC is always at the top for on time service in the nation.
DFW, IAH, DEN, ATL those kind of taxi times wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Not to pick nits but the way SLC is laid out I'm pretty sure you didn't taxi that long. Probably just felt like it.
Not that I wasn't ATC there for over 6 years or anything. ;)
Terminals sit between the parallel runways this drops taxi time. SLC is always at the top for on time service in the nation.
DFW, IAH, DEN, ATL those kind of taxi times wouldn't surprise me at all.
I guess I know how it's laid out. I have no clue why it takes so long.
My daughter said that folks on her plane we saying that they guessed the pilot was going to drive all the way to Billings :lol:
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I had to explain this to a co worker when a DC9 used most of the 9,000 footer the other day. But she's a little dumb anyways.
Man oh man, I hope by "coworker" you mean the janitor that was changing the trash can liners, and not the person sitting at the station next to yours!
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Man oh man, I hope by "coworker" you mean the janitor that was changing the trash can liners, and not the person sitting at the station next to yours!
You wish. : p
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Man oh man, I hope by "coworker" you mean the janitor that was changing the trash can liners, and not the person sitting at the station next to yours!
Yeah no.
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the op reminds me of the time when i was a kid and a guy and his girl landed a cessna 172 in our back yard. we had a 750 ft strip and an aeronca champ in the backyard, so he mistook us for a small airfield about 5 miles up the road. the first question he asked when he got out of his plane was "how long is that runway?". we ended up with about 3/4ths of a 55 gallon drum of avgas, and he waited until evening to try and get out of there solo. :lol:
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the op reminds me of the time when i was a kid and a guy and his girl landed a cessna 172 in our back yard. we had a 750 ft strip and an aeronca champ in the backyard, so he mistook us for a small airfield about 5 miles up the road. the first question he asked when he got out of his plane was "how long is that runway?". we ended up with about 3/4ths of a 55 gallon drum of avgas, and he waited until evening to try and get out of there solo. :lol:
Wow - I know some folks with a 182 and a 1200' grass strip, and they use just about the whole thing :O
I did some odd jobs for the folks next door, and she comes in barely over the road and fence when landing. She must have to watch for traffic along with everything else.
They also have a J-3 and of course it takes practically no room at all to takeoff/land =)
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When I lived in AK, we used to go see the STOL competitions. Nothing like watching a Super Cub take off in 50'.
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When I lived in AK, we used to go see the STOL competitions. Nothing like watching a Super Cub take off in 50'.
Yeah, seen that at -30 of Fire Lake near Chugiak =)
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When I lived in AK, we used to go see the STOL competitions. Nothing like watching a Super Cub take off in 50'.
I like the videos of the Cubs and Huskys practically landing on water on tundra tires.