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Title: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: vaskidmark on November 30, 2013, 03:16:14 PM
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-linking-genetically-modified-corn-to-cancer

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Bowing to scientists' near-universal scorn, the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology today fulfilled its threat to retract a controversial paper claiming that a genetically modified (GM) maize causes serious disease in rats, after the authors refused to withdraw it.

The paper, from a research group led by Gilles-Eric Séralini, a molecular biologist at the University of Caen, France, and published in 2012,  showed “no evidence of fraud or intentional misrepresentation of the data,” said a statement from Elsevier, which publishes the journal. But the small number and type of animals used in the study mean that “no definitive conclusions can be reached.” The known high incidence of tumors in the Sprague–Dawley strain of rat ”cannot be excluded as the cause of the higher mortality and incidence observed in the treated groups,” it added.

Today’s move came as no surprise. Earlier this month, the journal’s editor-in-chief Wallace Hayes threatened retraction if Séralini refused to withdraw the paper. Hayes announced the retraction at a press conference in Brussels this morning. Séralini and his team stand by their results, and allege that the retraction derives from the journal's editorial appointment of biologist Richard Goodman, who previously worked for biotechnology giant Monsanto for seven years.

So rats hat are prone to getting cancer because anything got cancer.  And the fact that they were fed corn grown from seeds engineered by mega-agra Monsanto had no influence on anything the new editor might be under for having once been employed by Monsanto.

stay safe.
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 30, 2013, 05:45:42 PM
Science is all about seeking the grantz moniez!!!11!!
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: geronimotwo on December 01, 2013, 02:01:20 PM
so, how did Richard goodman get an editorial appointment?
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 01, 2013, 02:08:09 PM
So... the JoFCT found out that the study was questionable and force-retracted it after the author refused a request to do so.  Seems like the system worked.

Brad
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: Lee on December 01, 2013, 07:37:35 PM
And no agri-companies in France (or Europe in general) would like another reason to reduce sales of US products containing GMO materials... wink...wink.
The only surprising part is that the study would be so poorly designed from the outset...again...wink...wink.
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: RevDisk on December 01, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
So... the JoFCT found out that the study was questionable and force-retracted it after the author refused a request to do so.  Seems like the system worked.

Ayep
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: Scout26 on December 01, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
If it's the study I'm thinking of, they also gave the rats eating the GMO corn a steroid known to produce/enhance cancers in rats, while the non-GMO rats were not given the steroids.   Sorry, but if you are doing an experiment you control for all factors expect the one you are testing for.

This is the study that all the "EBIL Monsanto, GMO is the DEBIL!!" folks that I know on FB quote.  But if you simply read the study it jumps right out at you that it's fatally flawed and designed to produce the "GMO=Cancer" result. 

Found it:  http://gmoseralini.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/GES-final-study-19.9.121.pdf

He gave them Estradiol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol#Mechanism_of_action_on_cancer_cell_proliferation), and then was "Shocked !!  Shocked, I tell you." at the results.

Not to mention that he's been one of the more outspoken Anti-GMO "scientists" that there are.  All the "research" that he's done have shown GMO's to be da ebil, yet no one has been able to duplicate his results.   He's a hack. 
Title: Re: But I thought science was all about seeking the truth
Post by: Sergeant Bob on December 02, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
So... the JoFCT found out that the study was questionable and force-retracted it after the author refused a request to do so.  Seems like the system worked.

Brad

Abolutely! Not a typo, I meant to spell it that way!