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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Fitz on February 14, 2014, 10:44:35 PM
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So, this is probably a year or more into the future... maybe two.
But i want another fun car.
My rough requirements (that are probably flexible) are:
Newish. Like, I don't want something 20 years old that I'm gonna have to wrench on ALL the time. No time for that really at this point.
Murrican V8. Australian also acceptable (what came from holden that was chevy/pontiac branded here? the GTO, probably the G8)
Four door (for ease of kid loading)
Things I'm considering.
An SRT8 Chrysler 300. Tough to find for a reasonable price, but I've rented one for a week a few years back, and it was LARGE, which is good since so am I
Charger (DO IT GOT DA HEMI IN IT?). The newer ones, although pricey, are pretty beefy in RT trim. THe older ones, could maybe even find an SRT8.
G8 GT
GTO with the LS2 (not four door)
Maybe one of the new style camaros or mustangs, but the price goes up some and they aren't four door.
Thoughts?
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Don't know about the current production Chargers/300s but the older ones had transmission issues. Especially the AWD models IIRC. You might want to research that. That's the biggest issue I've heard with them.
Personally, I'd much rather have a Charger than a 300. Looks way better IMHO.
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I'd love me a challenger
http://vimeo.com/m/48102506
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I'd love a challenger too.
I really like the G8 GTs
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/drivers-officers-profiling-specific-cars-searches/nbfJ9/ (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/drivers-officers-profiling-specific-cars-searches/nbfJ9/)
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Dodge Magnum SRT-8.
Love the looks. I rented several with teh 3.5L V6 and they were fun to drive. I can only imagine what a 6.1L V8 and 425HP would be like.
I had to move computer equipment and the car rental place had a minivan or the Magnum. Make mine the Magnum.
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Love the looks. I rented several with teh 3.5L V6 and they were fun to drive. I can only imagine what a 6.1L V8 and 425HP would be like.
It would feel like...speeding tickets. Lots and lots of speeding tickets.
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Don't know about the current production Chargers/300s but the older ones had transmission issues. Especially the AWD models IIRC. You might want to research that. That's the biggest issue I've heard with them.
Personally, I'd much rather have a Charger than a 300. Looks way better IMHO.
what?! A Chrysler with transmission problems?! Shocked!
The 300 is a 5G Merc transmission. Only Chrysler could figure out how to botch that one. The Charger is the same platform, so I'll bet its the same. Just stay on top of the annual $200 transmission service and you'll be fine!
I wanted the new Marauder when it came out... A decade ago. I think Ford sold about five of them and packed it in.
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I've been giving the Hemi Magnum wagon more than a couple looks of late.
Especially since they've been discontinued. Prices aren't too bad, and it's the same chassis as the 300.
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the SRT8 magnum would get my music gear to and from gigs very effectively.......
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DROOOOOL
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SRT Magnum, Challenger, or Mustang.
Of the three, all being available in a desirable package and at a doable price, I'd go with the Mustang.
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<tallpine> Obviously you need a 30 year old pickup. Damn near new. I don't know why you'd want anything with an automatic transmission or electric windows, those just fail. </tallpine> :rofl:
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Actually, I rather like the idea of a 4-door rear wheel drive car compared to all these little FWD boxes and beans. :P
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I think it'll be a magnum or charger, unless I decide two doors is acceptable, in which case it will be one of the newer stangs or camaros
By the time I do it, the newest mustang will be out, lowering the cost of the current ones
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The Challenger isn't as fast and doesn't corner as well as the Camaro or Mustang. I think the Challenger has the retro look down the best of all of them, though. If you're large, any of those won't be real comfortable.
I'm not a fan of Chrysler, but the Chargers are fast.
Before we'd decided to divorce, I'd planned on buying my ex a Magnum. It has a retro look already that could be enhanced. Black with blacked-out windows, wide tires and deep dish chrome wheels. Certain models have a lot of power, too. I guess now I'll have to spend that money on me. ;)
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Weird suggestion, but why not an 03 or later Crown Vic with a supercharger kit? (in 03 they went to R&P steering. Huge improvement over the recip ball units that had remained unchanged since, I kid you not, the chassis' introduction in 1978.) Get the Sport model for the uprated suspension, bucket seats, and console shift. Throw on some Edelbrock IAS shocks, graphite suspension bushings, and better wheels, and they can be a pretty snappy looking rig with that a good ride, decent handling, and that whole semi-sleeper old school family /muscle car vibe. If it hadn't been for an elderly driver running a red light I'd still have mine. Silver frost metallic with graphite leather interior. Roomy, comfy, and dirt easy to maintain if you have decent mechanical skills. Also helps that their is a healthy internet contingent of Vic heads that will give you all the help you can handle. Helps that Vics are cheap to buy, too.
Brad
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Another thing you might have already considered- tge chrysler cars are pretty common, but the Holden/Pontiac's are kind of rare. If you want something fun to drive on weekends, garage the rest if the time, the Holdens are much more lijely to become collector items some day.
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buy a 300 and build your own SRT8. There are an a**load of speed parts for 300's and Chargers.
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Also Fitz, thanks to you, now I want a muscle car bad. Even a Dodge, which I have zero love for Mopar but damn...
Let me clear out my current debt and I might just reward myself with something in the next couple of years.
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I haven't owned one, but I test drove a used Lincoln LS sport sedan. freaking amazing! maybe not the look you're going for, but it handled near as well as a mustang and has the 4 door requirement. all it needs are the wide rears, a lift kit, and the starzky and hutch paint job to be good to go!
here's some specs. http://autos.aol.com/cars-Lincoln-LS-2004-V8_Sport__4dr_Sedan/overview/
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I just could never own a 4 door muscle car, just seems wrong.
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The Aussies sold the Magnum wagon as the Chrysler 300 Touring model, including the 300's formal front end treatment.
That means a 300 front end will also bolt up to a Magnum wagon, perhaps? Cool!
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I just could never own a 4 door muscle car, just seems wrong.
Gotta say can't really consider a four door a muscle car... to me it's more of a performance touring car. Something that's still can haul ass, doesn't look like a grannylandyacht, yet is still big and comfortable, plus can haul some people vs. cramming them into a two door back seat.
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Wouldn't this be the ultimate rummage sale car for a woman who was in her teens in the 60's?
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Would haul a half stack and three guitars nicely
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they have made the station wagon........ :cool:.
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That wagon has 425hp :)
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I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.
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I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.
I wish they would bring back a bunch of good stuff.
They had full-size 4dr RWD cars in the 1980s getting 20++ mpg. Could probably do as good as my little shitbox today ;/
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I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.
Chevy Nomad FTW.
Dodge pretty much has the muscle station wagon market to thrmselves.
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I wish GM would bring back the Chevelle as a 2dr RWD with the current Vette/Camaro motor, 6.2-liter LT-1 V-8.
Part of the reason gm was bleeding money is that it had too much identical stuff in its lineup
The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics
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Part of the reason gm was bleeding money is that it had too much identical stuff in its lineup
The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics
They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they ???
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They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they ???
Yes, and its another weakness in their lineup from a financial standpoint . The brand identity suffers as a result.
Care to guess why ford f150 is the best selling truck (which becomes self fulfilling)?
Because half the people who buy a gm truck buy one brand, and half buy another
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Ford does it too, but has managed to differentiate enough to keep it a winning proposition
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Yes, and its another weakness in their lineup from a financial standpoint . The brand identity suffers as a result.
Care to guess why ford f150 is the best selling truck (which becomes self fulfilling)?
Because half the people who buy a gm truck buy one brand, and half buy another
Yeah, I knew that - which is why I'm pissed everytime I hear "F-150 is #1" =( ;/
I have two of each right now (well, one of the Chevys is not a pickup/suburban). Back around 1975 when I worked for a dealer, we got a pickup in off the transport that said "Chevrolet" on one side and "GMC" on the other. It most likely would have been delivered that way except some punk kid pointed it out :P
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Back to the topic.
I'm so in love with the g8 gt... But it was auto only. I'd prefer manual. The gxp I think could be found with a six speed, but they're unobtainium
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Chevy Nomad FTW.
Has to be a 2 door. Don't f'it up as a 4 door wagon.
Also drop tailgate, not a hatch back.
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The car you propose would be basically the Camaro with different cosmetics
No, much longer wheel base. Camaro is a coupe/pony car, Chevelle is a 2 door sedan.
Be more like the same wheel base as the current Impala/Malibu.
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They still make Chevy and GMC pickups, don't they ???
Which is stupid. Hell they used to make THREE brands of S-10 Blazer...chevy, gmc, and olds.
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Which is stupid. Hell they used to make THREE brands of S-10 Blazer...chevy, gmc, and olds.
All it is some trim and badges, not a big deal. Not like they are two unique vehicles.
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All it is some trim and badges, not a big deal. Not like they are two unique vehicles.
Hurts brand identity.
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No, much longer wheel base. Camaro is a coupe/pony car, Chevelle is a 2 door sedan.
Be more like the same wheel base as the current Impala/Malibu.
...and here it is (unfortunately only in 4 -doors):
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html
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...and here it is (unfortunately only in 4 -doors):
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html
I know the center pillar on a four door offers strength on uni-body construction, but why try and brand a 4 door as muscle car. You would think the people who would be the likely buyers (baby boomers) would have remembered the 2 door muscle cars of their youth.
The only 2 door cars GM makes is the Camaro and Corvette.
Dodge at least made the Challenger at 2 door.
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I know the center pillar on a four door offers strength on uni-body construction, but why try and brand a 4 door as muscle car. You would think the people who would be the likely buyers (baby boomers) would have remembered the 2 door muscle cars of their youth.
The only 2 door cars GM makes is the Camaro and Corvette.
Dodge at least made the Challenger at 2 door.
1. Folks are used to 4-door cars being good performers, nowadays.
2. The last several common American coupes made in large numbers were pretty awful performers(1).
3. "Likely buyers" are mostly not baby boomers who saw the original muscle cars when they were new.
(1) The Pontiac Gran Prix of S**t. The Chevy Lumina Eurosport POS Edition. Chrysler LeBaron K-car (Polished Turd Edition). Chrysler Sebring Coupe! The Ford Thunderbirds (pre-convertible retro-model) were somewhat better than mediocre.
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1. Folks are used to 4-door cars being good performers, nowadays.
2. The last several common American coupes made in large numbers were pretty awful performers(1).
3. "Likely buyers" are mostly not baby boomers who saw the original muscle cars when they were new.
(1) The Pontiac Gran Prix of S**t. The Chevy Lumina Eurosport POS Edition. Chrysler LeBaron K-car (Polished Turd Edition). Chrysler Sebring Coupe! The Ford Thunderbirds (pre-convertible retro-model) were somewhat better than mediocre.
Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.
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I had a 2-door Impala and even as a kid I hated it.
It was a nice enough car, but those long doors were a pain to open in a parking lot. =(
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Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.
4 doors were family cars and 2 doors were the single persons or father's (businessman) vehicle.
This carried on into the 90's. I'm not really sure why 4 door became the standard with cars.
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Yep- I don't see much advantage of a two door either- I have kids/stuff to haul around. They make sense in mustang/camaro/ corvette/300 (orwhatever)ZX platforms which are fairly compact, but they simply don't appeal to people like myself.
Also the little doors on the smaller cars just don't open into a big enough opening to put items the back seat of the car.
2 door coupe sedan, you open the bigger door, flip the seat forward and there is a lot of room to put things in it.
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Test drove a 2011 charger today while waiting on my service on my truck.
Something cool about a 4 door car with 370 HP. LULZ
I liked it.
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1. Folks are used to 4-door cars being good performers, nowadays.
Muscle Era had 4 doors with same engines as the 2 door models.
I'm really starting to think it some side impact safety regulation why 2 doors aren't that available in longer wheel bases.
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Also the little doors on the smaller cars just don't open into a big enough opening to put items the back seat of the car.
2 door coupe sedan, you open the bigger door, flip the seat forward and there is a lot of room to put things in it.
Yep,
I've had two coupes from the 70s and 80s, but don't miss that layout.
what I do miss us the buick and chrysler land yachts that had no permanent pillar between the front and rear windows.
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Yep,
I've had two coupes from the 70s and 80s, but don't miss that layout.
what I do miss us the buick and chrysler land yachts that had no permanent pillar between the front and rear windows.
My Brother had a 1970 Ford Galaxy like that back in 1992 with a 390. A pretty fast tank down the road.
My 1968 Plymouth Satellite with a 383 walked all over it, but I had more HP and less weight. Yea for those light Mopar B bodies.
I wish I still had that car, there wasn't very many of them made in that configuration.
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My Brother had a 1970 Ford Galaxy like that back in 1992 with a 390. A pretty fast tank down the road.
My 1968 Plymouth Satellite with a 383 walked all over it, but I had more HP and less weight. Yea for those light Mopar B bodies.
I wish I still had that car, there wasn't very many of them made in that configuration.
Dad owned a 1970 or 1971 plymouth fury police interceptor. 440cid v8 under the hood witheither a 4bbl or 3 2bbl carbs. He lovd yhe way it handled.
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Dad owned a 1970 or 1971 plymouth fury police interceptor. 440cid v8 under the hood witheither a 4bbl or 3 2bbl carbs. He lovd yhe way it handled.
Ford made the Police Intercepter, Mopar was Police Pursuit.
If it was a true police car package it would have been a 440 with 4bbl carb in a 1970.
1971 Fury Pursuit also came with a 360 4bbl in some packages.
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My dad bought a used 1968 Pontiac Catalina station wagon when we were wee youngsters.
One of our local counties had decided the sheriff's department could share a ride with the medical examiner.
They ordered it from Michigan with the 455 Police Interceptor Package, believe it or not. Hence, a giddyup Poncho wagon. And boy, did it giddyup!
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^^^^^
The reasons why Suburbans and other SUVs are so popular today.
Sometimes you want to bring the dog along ;)
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Ford made the Police Intercepter, Mopar was Police Pursuit.
If it was a true police car package it would have been a 440 with 4bbl carb in a 1970.
1971 Fury Pursuit also came with a 360 4bbl in some packages.
we had an old black and white fury from the nys thruway action. I'm not sure what the model was called, but the engine was the 440 interceptor, as I recall.
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we had an old black and white fury from the nys thruway action. I'm not sure what the model was called, but the engine was the 440 interceptor, as I recall.
Intercepter is a Ford name.
The Police 440 from Mopar had all forged internals for longevity under severe usage.
It would have been the 440 HP that was in the Police Pursuit cars.
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My dad bought a used 1968 Pontiac Catalina station wagon when we were wee youngsters.
One of our local counties had decided the sheriff's department could share a ride with the medical examiner.
They ordered it from Michigan with the 455 Police Interceptor Package, believe it or not. Hence, a giddyup Poncho wagon. And boy, did it giddyup!
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A friend of my Dad's still has a 68 Catalina convertible (In bright red!). Not a 455, 400 IIRC.Sweet car.
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We had a 68 Bonneville when I was a kid. I thought the pointy nose was awesome. Dad loved the engine, a 428 HO. He talks about it to this day. Apparently it made stupid good power... when it wasn't eating timing chains.
Brad
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We had a 68 Bonneville when I was a kid. I thought the pointy nose was awesome. Dad loved the engine, a 428 HO. He talks about it to this day. Apparently it made stupid good power... when it wasn't eating timing chains.
Brad
Probably the 428 HO with 390 HP from the factory.
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My muscle car if I had a gazillion dollars.
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It would be the two tone seafoam mopar green with painted white top and wing.
Not sure about the 440 six pack or a 426 Hemi for the power plant.
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I always wanted an '87 Buick GNX- there's a guy a few houses down from me that actually has one.
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I always wanted an '87 Buick GNX- there's a guy a few houses down from me that actually has one.
I've drove one, they got some nuts for an American made 1980's vehicle.
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But i want another fun car.
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Newish. Like, I don't want something 20 years old that I'm gonna have to wrench on ALL the time. No time for that really at this point.
It's newer than the '67, and like most cars, if you wrench on it right once, you won't have to again for a while. Bonus is that at least you can wrench on it. I'd say about half the cars I see on the side of the road or on wreckers are less than three years old. I'd be willing to bet whatever is wrong with them is either impossible on a '68, (ECM failure? Yeah right.) or would fixable on a classic with hand tools in less time than it takes to get a wrecker there. My 1997 Saturn likes to remind me how much more I'd be able to do if there was actually room around the engine to get to stuff. (Don't get me started on the 5 hours it took to change the belt tensioner due to having to make two trips for more tools (regular socket wouldn't reach, deep wouldn't fit in the space between the bolt and sidewall) and disassemble a lot of stuff that shouldn't have been an issue.)
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A T bucket kit is a few years down the road too. I like how the newer powerful cars can get HP close to 400 with pretty decent gas mileage
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A T bucket kit is a few years down the road too. I like how the newer powerful cars can get HP close to 400 with pretty decent gas mileage
Computers are amazing aren't they.
There is a difference in driving a 375 HP big block with a mechanical secondary carburetor vs a 375 HP fuel injected computer controlled big block. The newer technology is so much more consistent HP/Torque across the power band but that being said I just love the throw you in the back seat when the secondary kicks in on the carburetor.
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Computers are amazing aren't they.
There is a difference in driving a 375 HP big block with a mechanical secondary carburetor vs a 375 HP fuel injected computer controlled big block. The newer technology is so much more consistent HP/Torque across the power band but that being said I just love the throw you in the back seat when the secondary kicks in on the carburetor.
I agree that the old stuff has that certain "something"
My favorite car to drive was my grandfather's relatively anemic 64 corvette. It wasn't the amount of power that made it a hoot, it was how suddenly it hit.
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While not traditional, and not V8 powered, the current-gen Taurus SHO is damned impressive. Plus it's roomy, comfy, good looking, and handles like a dream.
Brad
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While not traditional, and not V8 powered, the current-gen Taurus SHO is damned impressive. Plus it's roomy, comfy, good looking, and handles like a dream.
Brad
Boy, I lusted over the first-gen SHO. They put out a prototype SHO wagon and I that was even hotter.
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I had a first gen. Fantastic car to drive, hideously expensive to own once you were out of the warranty. EVERYTHING on that car was specific to the SHO, even the damned battery. (Well, everything except the starter, which it shared with the garden variety Vulcan 3.0 that Ford was putting in everything.) The wondermous little Yamahammer engine was bulletproof. The accessories, not so much. And don't even get me started on clutches...
Brad