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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: freakazoid on February 22, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
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Shotgun called a Sjögren. The first inertia recoil shotgun from 1909, and some think it actually beat the Browning Auto-5, patent wise or to market, as the first semi-auto shotgun. Just got in to the not so local gun store. Ordered it from a private seller and had it shipped in. Finished the paperwork earlier today and now I have the joy of waiting on the California mandatory 10 day waiting period before I get to actually take possession of it., because otherwise I would totally go out on a shooting spree with my antique. It shoots 12 gauge, 2 1/2" shells, had to order in a box of 250 rounds from rstshells.com. Here is an interesting video of it where I first learned about it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XznhQ35AxCQ Shooting video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2C5eKkPl_k
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Never seen one, learn something new everyday.Thanks!
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It's Swedish, or what?
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If somebody watched the video they would know. :angel:
Produced in Denmark, invented by a Swedish guy.
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One for Forgotten Weapons.com. I'd never heard of this.
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No videos but they have a section on it, http://www.forgottenweapons.com/sjogren-shotgun-photos/ And apparently there was also a rifle made, http://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/sjogren-rifle-shotgun/ But information on that is even more scarce.
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If somebody watched the video they would know. :angel:
Watch your own flippin' video, sonny. And get off my lawn with your goofy old shotgun.
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I like to learn something every day!
Fascinating and thanks. Well-done videos, good delivery --no Uhhhs and Ahhhs and Ummmms. And your fingernails were clean! :rofl:
I wonder if it would have worked with those Aguila shorty shotshells, LOA slightly less than 1-1/2". Pretty low power, though, maybe not enough oomph to unlock the breech or set the slide back. But might be worth a try.
One of my High School teachers was named Mr. Sjögren, and we pronounced it "show`-gren," corrupted to Mr. Show-a-grin when he wasn't around.
Terry
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Neat!
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What did you have to give for it?
I can't imagine that they're particularly plentiful, even in Sweden...
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What did you have to give for it?
I can't imagine that they're particularly plentiful, even in Sweden...
I've seen a few listed on auction sites. Supposedly 5000 of them were made for the Swedish market. Sjögren also designed rifles with the same system, and was designing a pistol with the same system that was never put into production because the blueprints were never finished. I'm reading a bit about it right now, and apparently, only 9 rifles total were made from that design, in 3 different calibers - 3 in 6.5x55, 3 for the the Danish 8x58 RD cartridge, and 3 for 7.62x54R.
The shotguns generally go for around 2500-3000 kronor here (~$360 - $430).
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The person in the videos isn't me.
I've seen a few listed on auction sites. Supposedly 5000 of them were made for the Swedish market. Sjögren also designed rifles with the same system, and was designing a pistol with the same system that was never put into production because the blueprints were never finished. I'm reading a bit about it right now, and apparently, only 9 rifles total were made from that design, in 3 different calibers - 3 in 6.5x55, 3 for the the Danish 8x58 RD cartridge, and 3 for 7.62x54R.
The shotguns generally go for around 2500-3000 kronor here (~$360 - $430).
Getting one of those would be neat. The one sent in to the British Army trial apparently resides in the British Pattern Room, wonder where the others are.
Mine cost me $995 which seems to be the normal price but I've heard since it doesn't come up very often the price can vary on places like gunbroker. Simpsonsltd has two listed, one for $950 and one for $1295.
Apparently there were 500 or 600 alternate barrel lengths made, seen one for sale once with one listed with it, would love to try to get one.
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The person in the videos isn't me.
Getting one of those would be neat. The one sent in to the British Army trial apparently resides in the British Pattern Room, wonder where the others are.
Mine cost me $995 which seems to be the normal price but I've heard since it doesn't come up very often the price can vary on places like gunbroker. Simpsonsltd has two listed, one for $950 and one for $1295.
Apparently there were 500 or 600 alternate barrel lengths made, seen one for sale once with one listed with it, would love to try to get one.
There's atleast one in a museum in Denmark. I forgot to mention that the 9 rifles were the official numbers - the one(s) in the Danish museum might be one of these, or it could be that they made more of them for army trials, say in the UK or elsewhere.
Here's pictures of the Sjögren rifle: http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/things/automatgevr-sjgren-frsk/S-AM/AM.045341
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Pretty cool and really funky looking.
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Resist the urge to cut the barrel back [barf], paint it with Gunkote [barf] and fit it with tactical plastic furniture. [barf]
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My friend and I had talked about taking some antique and tacticooling it out and painting it with hello-kitty. :rofl:
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My friend and I had talked about taking some antique and tacticooling it out and painting it with hello-kitty. :rofl:
Bullpup conversion!
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Bullpup conversion!
With Tapco parts!
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That may be the coolest looking gun I have ever seen.
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Neat shotgun. I wonder if it would shoot those short 12 ga shells? chris3
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^ I wondered the same thing a couple of posts ago.
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With Tapco parts!
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Neat find!
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sweet, and a unique manual of arms. hopefully they didn't screw it up with import marks.
watch out for nose, finger and hand bits with the exposed slide!
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I don't recall seeing any.
Speaking of which, if you bought some type of firearm from someone from another country, how would that work? Would you have to pay a bunch of money to get it over here. Would it have to get scarred up with import marks? Can it even be done?
Neat shotgun. I wonder if it would shoot those short 12 ga shells? chris3
Those Aguila minishells? I wonder too. From what I have read some people have had to modify their pump actions to get them to work right.
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Neat to see the action cycling, but it definitely missed the Browing Auto 5 lessons in finesse.
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I don't recall seeing any.
Speaking of which, if you bought some type of firearm from someone from another country, how would that work? Would you have to pay a bunch of money to get it over here. Would it have to get scarred up with import marks? Can it even be done?
It can be done, but it does need to follow all the relevant import rules (certain firearms that are legal to build and sell in the US aren't legal to import, and it needs to go through a licensed importer, and probably a few other things). I think it does need an import mark. Your shotgun may have been imported before all that was required.
There are a lot of firearms imported all the time (Saigas, Glocks, etc.), but to get a specific firearm imported over probably wouldn't be cheap because of all that legal hurtles.
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That's disappointing. I've got my eye on a shotgun that's overseas, unless I happen to find one for sale here.
Why do shotguns hate me? Some might remember when I mentioned the Baikal that I had pinched my arm shortly after I got it. Well shortly after picking this one up from the store when reaching over looking at the bottom I pressed the the thing needed to cause the bolt assembly to slide forward, grabbing a big chunk of arm skin with it. Two neat cuts, and the skin in between got squeezed pretty hard. :'( Looking back I can't even figure out how I had my arm to where it would pinch me.
Had some initial problems when I got it.
Figured out that the RST 2 1/2" shells I got are actually crimped just a tad to short causing them to jam. It seems that the shell has to be long enough to completely cover the lifter, otherwise the next shell in line will be just above the lifter preventing it from lifting the shell up. I finally figured out what was going on when I stuck my Winchester 2 3/4" shells in. My 2 1/2" RST shells, which when crimped measure out to about 2 1/16", and the Winchester shells when crimped measure to about 2 1/4", just enough to make a difference and you can also tell by looking at it from below. Talked to someone else who has one who said he uses the Gamebore shells, should receive my box tomorrow.
Other problem was that I couldn't completely lock in the barrel assembly to the rear half. To separate the forward section from the back there is a button beside the end of the tube cap that you press which allows you to rotate and lift the cap which then allows you to rotate the forward section and then separate it from the back half, and then just reverse to put it back together. Finally figured out what was going on. From what I have read the way the barrel is secured in sounds kind of like the way the M12 is, it uses a barrel ring. The barrel is threaded and this barrel ring is screwed onto it. The barrel ring has teeth and it is screwed onto the desired depth. There is a little bar that is slid into the side of the barrel assembly that locks against the teeth of the barrel ring and that is held in with a screw. Well on the bottom of that there is a groove that a little extended pin that sticks out of the receiver slides into when you connect the two pieces. It just so happened that the little bar wasn't fully pushed in so the pin on the receiver wasn't actually sliding into the groove, but there was just enough wiggle room that it would still close. The pin would lift up on the barrel assembly just a little bit causing it to cant, and that was just enough to keep it from fully locking in. Took a little bit of looking how everything connected but I finally got it.
Got back recently from the trap range and it fired every time. Didn't hit every time though. :lol: Of course I haven't shot trap, or any other shotgun sport, for many many years.
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So you're saying instead of Garand Thumb or Ljungman Fingers, you got Sjögren Arm? =D
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lol yeah. I had also got the pad of my ring finger pinched too.
Anybody know what the 13/1 12, the 12 is inside of a circle, on the barrel could mean?
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lol yeah. I had also got the pad of my ring finger pinched too.
Anybody know what the 13/1 12, the 12 is inside of a circle, on the barrel could mean?
I've read a few articles about these in Swedish, I'm sending off a message to the author to ask if he knows.