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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: lupinus on April 02, 2014, 06:29:13 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/02/shooting-with-casualties-reported-at-ft-hood/
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http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood
Reports are saying white male with a .45, but reports always say white male so I don't trust it. Possibly multiple suspects? 3 hit one KIA reported so far.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Active-Shooter-Situation-Reported-At-Fort-Hood-253635771.htm
Several arfcom folks are currently posting from on base in this thread.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1609706_Breaking___Incident_at_Fort_Hood_.html&page=1
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No idea if this is related, but thought I'd pass it along:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/
The FBI is searching for a recent Army recruit believed to be planning a "Fort Hood-inspired jihad against U.S. soldiers," FoxNews.com has learned.
The alert, whose legitimacy was confirmed by military and law enforcement officials, stated that a man identified as Booker had told friends of his "intention to commit jihad." Booker, who is also known as Muhammad Abdullah Hassan, was recruited by the U.S. Army in Kansas City, Mo., in February 2014 and was scheduled to report for basic training on April 7. But he was discharged last week, apparently after law enforcement authorities learned of his alleged plan.
Both the FBI and the 902d Military Intelligence Group at Fort Leavenworth are involved in the hunt.
More at the link.
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Live feed says 8 hit, one KIA, one shooter in custody one on the loose.
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Scanner traffic. http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/219/web
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Video clip of what appears to be part of the search happening. http://instagram.com/p/mTemn2lkvB/#
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Deja vu all over again.
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Don't worry. This is a manufactured story. After all, soldiers and civilians cannot carry personally owned weapons on base.
Thank you, victim disarmament gun free zones!
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Don't worry. This is a manufactured story. After all, soldiers and civilians cannot carry personally owned weapons on base.
Thank you, victim disarmament gun free zones!
Freakin workplace violence!
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15 injured now being reported.
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I've seen one report where there is one confirmed dead and then another report where "a shooter" is dead from a self-inflicted wound. Not sure if the one dead is one and the same.
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They're saying one shooter confirmed dead, no word on if there was/is actually another shooter.
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Fox News said that Ft Hood said: "Not terrorism, soldier on soldier incident." Did they ever admit that Maj. Muslim Nut Job from 2009 was a terrorist? If they did it was several months.
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Fox News said that Ft Hood said: "Not terrorism, soldier on soldier incident." Did they ever admit that Maj. Muslim Nut Job from 2009 was a terrorist? If they did it was several months.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Hood is a *expletive deleted*ing cesspool, and we still have tons of dirtbags in the army from the two-war plus up period.
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I'm seeing 4 dead, shooter who killed himself and 3 victims.
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Fox News said that Ft Hood said: "Not terrorism, soldier on soldier incident." Did they ever admit that Maj. Muslim Nut Job from 2009 was a terrorist? If they did it was several months.
Workplace violence. If it was terrorism that would mean that A. .gov would have to pay more money to survivors and victims families and B. .gov sucks at stopping terrorism.
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Do we WANT it to be terrorism? I'm seeing comments like the above all over the internet.
Is there any reason, at this point, to believe it's not just some shitbag soldier with a grudge?
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Fox News said that Ft Hood said: "Not terrorism, soldier on soldier incident." Did they ever admit that Maj. Muslim Nut Job from 2009 was a terrorist? If they did it was several months.
Workplace violence. If it was terrorism that would mean that A. .gov would have to pay more money to survivors and victims families and B. .gov sucks at stopping terrorism.
Yeah. Gotta love it. Some guy gets mad at his wife and raises his voice at her and he gets charged with "terroristic" threatening, but a real, live Islamiscist terrorist kills multiple people and it's not terrorism, it's "workplace violence."
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Do we WANT it to be terrorism? I'm seeing comments like the above all over the internet.
Is there any reason, at this point, to believe it's not just some shitbag soldier with a grudge?
In today's Army it was probably gang warfare.
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Welp. I'm out. Have fun with this thread
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I have a simple and effective BS filter when evaluating these kinds of reports. If TPTB immediately come out as say "Not terrorism", I immediately assume it is terrorism until proven otherwise. TPTB go out of their way to avoid offending certain groups and in doing so they are offending me and forcing me into a preliminary conclusion of "You lie!"
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. . . Reports are saying white male with a .45, but reports always say white male so I don't trust it . . .
Shooter's name is supposedly Ivan Lopez . . . maybe a white Hispanic? ("Ivan" . . . maybe a white Russian Hispanic?)
We'll see what new ethnicity the media comes up with this time.
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Shooter's name is supposedly Ivan Lopez . . . maybe a white Hispanic? ("Ivan" . . . maybe a white Russian Hispanic?)
We'll see what new ethnicity the media comes up with this time.
My brother says there is a middle name of Mohammed that is not being reported
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Do we WANT it to be terrorism? I'm seeing comments like the above all over the internet.
Is there any reason, at this point, to believe it's not just some shitbag soldier with a grudge?
I want it to end with the perpetrator room temp and no one else hurt.
As far as the terrorist vs grudge these sorts of mass murder events at usgov facilities seem to be heavily weighted toward terrorist perpetrators. Otoh if i see a killdozer as the tool of vengence i will think grudge.
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I want it to end with the perpetrator room temp and no one else hurt.
As far as the terrorist vs grudge these sorts of mass murder events at usgov facilities seem to be heavily weighted toward terrorist perpetrators. Otoh if i see a killdozer as the tool of vengence i will think grudge.
Personally, I think the word "terrorist" has been overused and politized into a nonsense word at this point.
To me it always meant an act designed to inspire terror amoung a populance for a specific, caculated reason and message.
These lone shooter incedents don't have the same feel. Regardless of the wacked out rantings of the perpatrator, the terror is seems more designed as a momentary thrill and a power trip for the induvidial doing it. It's evil and it's pyschotic, but it's not the calcualated and ruthless design of a bigger picture.
The worst part is, by labeling these guys as "terrorists" we add to their thrill.
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He had behavioral health and mental health issues. I always thought those were just two terms for the same thing.
Army reports he served 4 months in Iraq and is/was self-reported for TBI and PTSD but no documrntation of any injury sustained over there. He was supposedly being seen for either his behavioral health or mental health problem(s) as well as Rx'd antidepressants.
I say since we can't sue the Army, let's sue Big Pharma for causing him to snap.
Did anybody else catch the PIO saying his handgun needed to have been registered on base, even if he kept it at home off-base? For some reason I thought that the .mil was just recently told they could not require that any more.
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/03/details-about-fort-hood-gunman/20862062/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl11%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D460689
Details about Fort Hood gunman
Apr 3rd 2014 5:47AM
FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) - Officials at Fort Hood have released few details about the gunman who killed three people before taking his own life in a shooting Wednesday at the sprawling Army base. Here's what we know about the gunman.
- His name is Ivan Lopez. .... he was not in the process of leaving the Army.
- Lopez served for four months in Iraq in 2011. He was not wounded in action while serving overseas, but self-reported a traumatic brain injury upon his return to the U.S. "He was not a wounded warrior," said Lt. Gen. Mark Milley, the senior officer at Fort Hood. "He was not wounded in action, to our records, no Purple Heart, not wounded in action in that regard."
- Lopez had several mental health issues. He was taking medication and receiving psychiatric help for depression and anxiety, and was undergoing a process to determine whether he had post-traumatic stress disorder. "We do not know a motive," Milley said. "We do know that this soldier had behavioral health and mental health issues, and was being treated for that."
- Lopez had one weapon, a .45 caliber Smith and Wesson handgun, that was not registered with post authorities as required. Authorities don't yet know how much ammunition he was carrying.
- Lopez died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He killed himself in a parking lot at the base transportation brigade's administration building, after he was confronted by a military policewoman. ....
stay safe.
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I love this bit from the NY Post...
Authorities on Thursday were still investigating why an Iraq War veteran shot and killed three people and wounded 16 others at Texas’ Fort Hood before committing suicide — and have not ruled out terrorism.
“We’re going to keep an open mind. … Possible extremist involvement is still being looked at very, very carefully,” Army Secretary John McHugh told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday.
So, Nidal Hassan, a Muslim with a Muslim/Middle Eastern last name, who was knowingly linked to an extremist Imam/Cleric and mosque, and had been griping about American involvement overseas in the Middle East and AWOT... they bend over backwards to make the ludicrous claim it was "Just workplace violence".
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You can't be too careful about those white hispanics.