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Title: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Jocassee on May 01, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
And yes I say this even as a law-breaking cell phone user.

RESPECT THE BUBBLE.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/25392761/driver-caught-using-cell-phone-jamming-device
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Fly320s on May 01, 2014, 11:43:15 AM
And yes I say this even as a law-breaking cell phone user.

RESPECT THE BUBBLE.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/25392761/driver-caught-using-cell-phone-jamming-device

You don't see a problem with interfering with people's cell phone usage?
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Jocassee on May 01, 2014, 11:48:29 AM
You don't see a problem with interfering with people's cell phone usage?

I find humor in it from an over-engineered solution to the problem perspective. I think it's hilarious that he wasn't content to jam transmission for 50 feet, 50 yards, or 500 yards...he was putting out something that was jamming actual towers probably a MILE away in either direction. He didn't half-ass it...

Completely illegal and my comments are offered in complete jest.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Scout26 on May 01, 2014, 12:09:40 PM
If the law says you can't use your cell-phone while driving, then he's just following the law and making sure his fellow drivers do the same.


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


 :police: :police: :police:
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: HankB on May 01, 2014, 01:05:44 PM
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Agents from the FCC used direction finding techniques to find that strong wideband emissions were coming out of a blue Toyota Highlander SUV driven by Humphreys.
They must have brought a lot of resources to bear in order to localize emissions from a moving vehicle.   
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: mtnbkr on May 01, 2014, 01:09:20 PM
They must have brought a lot of resources to bear in order to localize emissions from a moving vehicle.   

Not really.  Hams do it frequently with some pretty basic equipment against much weaker transmitters.

Chris
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Scout26 on May 01, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
Not really.  Hams do it frequently with some pretty basic equipment against much weaker transmitters.

Chris

And it only took the feds two years to track him down.  I wonder how much was spent....



I bet RevDisk could have done in in less then a day and for under $100 in gear/parts, to include building the gizmo from scratch, then calling in artillery and and air strike on his moving vehicle.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: mtnbkr on May 01, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
And it only took the feds two years to track him down.  I wonder how much was spent....



I bet RevDisk could have done in in less then a day and for under $100 in gear/parts, to include building the gizmo from scratch, then calling in artillery and and air strike on his moving vehicle.

Actually, the Feds were notified a year ago.  I'm sure they have a pile of privacy-related red tape to wade through as well.

It can take dedicated Hams weeks or months to track down mobile sources of interference.  They don't tend to have red tape to deal with.

I'm sure there would be an outcry if they found the guy "too easily" (the feds are snoopin' on us!).

Chris
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: BobR on May 01, 2014, 02:27:18 PM
I just use the Stebel Natulis horn on the front of my bike if I get beside someone using their cell phone, at appx 130dB it gets their attention pretty quick. It may help I ride a very big bike with a black and white paint scheme, and am normally open carrying when riding. Now I wonder what it really is, the noise, the paint scheme or the gun.   ;)

bob
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 01, 2014, 03:20:06 PM
Yep it would be awesome to call 911 because your child needs to be rushed to the hospital and this guys jamming the signal....grow up man.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: geronimotwo on May 01, 2014, 03:26:45 PM
it's likely the guy caused more distractions, as everyone was fiddling with their phones trying to get them back online. 
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: charby on May 01, 2014, 03:36:51 PM
What Jamis and G2 said.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 01, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
Yep it would be awesome to call 911 because your child needs to be rushed to the hospital and this guys jamming the signal....grow up man.

That's what I was thinking.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: 230RN on May 01, 2014, 07:34:58 PM
"it's likely the guy caused more distractions, as everyone was fiddling with their phones trying to get them back online."

True, that.

Before I became a Ham I tracked one Citizen's Band (CB) Radio abuser in Boulder using a small shielded attenuated loop on my CB walkie-talkie.  He was using an (illegal) 100 W linear amplifier and trashed up Channels 19 (the "Trucker's Channel") and Channel 9 (the "Emergency Channel") pretty good.  At the next club meeting I gave his address to a couple of trusted members. 

I didn't have to use triangulation, I just kept driving toward the weakest signal (it's the weakest signal which indicates the direction with a loop).

Day or two later his transmissions stopped. Someone had cut the cable going to his rooftop antenna --not me, but I know who did it.
 
Terry

REF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter_hunting
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Fitz on May 01, 2014, 10:56:44 PM
agree with both jamis and g2.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Balog on May 05, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
No laws against passengers using cell phones, either.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: 41magsnub on May 05, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
No laws against passengers using cell phones, either.

Or hands free devices.

Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on May 05, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
"it's likely the guy caused more distractions, as everyone was fiddling with their phones trying to get them back online."

True, that.

Before I became a Ham I tracked one Citizen's Band (CB) Radio abuser in Boulder using a small shielded attenuated loop on my CB walkie-talkie.  He was using an (illegal) 100 W linear amplifier and trashed up Channels 19 (the "Trucker's Channel") and Channel 9 (the "Emergency Channel") pretty good.  At the next club meeting I gave his address to a couple of trusted members. 

I didn't have to use triangulation, I just kept driving toward the weakest signal (it's the weakest signal which indicates the direction with a loop).

Day or two later his transmissions stopped. Someone had cut the cable going to his rooftop antenna --not me, but I know who did it.
 
Terry

REF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter_hunting

Terry, buddy of mine told me this story years ago, dunno if it's even possible....  But apparently there was a tow truck driver up in the Seattle area with a CB rig in his truck - and a 1000W (yes, 1kW!) linear amp.  My understanding is that he fried the input stages of a lot of radios before he got caught. 
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: mtnbkr on May 05, 2014, 08:07:05 PM
Terry, buddy of mine told me this story years ago, dunno if it's even possible....  But apparently there was a tow truck driver up in the Seattle area with a CB rig in his truck - and a 1000W (yes, 1kW!) linear amp.  My understanding is that he fried the input stages of a lot of radios before he got caught. 

Probably not since many Hams have 1kw amps...legal that is.

Chris
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: tokugawa on May 06, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
I just use the Stebel Natulis horn on the front of my bike if I get beside someone using their cell phone, at appx 130dB it gets their attention pretty quick. It may help I ride a very big bike with a black and white paint scheme, and am normally open carrying when riding. Now I wonder what it really is, the noise, the paint scheme or the gun.   ;)

bob

 this is called "the combo plate".
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on May 06, 2014, 07:51:48 PM
Probably not since many Hams have 1kw amps...legal that is.

Chris

Well, yeah, but most CB rigs aren't set up to handle the input of a jackwagon with a 1kw line amp 10-15 feet from their antenna as they're driving down the highway.
Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: never_retreat on May 06, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
We did the cb into the 1500 watt liner in high school. Piped into a directional antenna. It was not fun until someone in Jamaica responded.
Us and the Rastafarian on the other end had a good laugh. The shop teacher first yelled at us than was impressed with the contact.

Title: Re: I fail to see the problem
Post by: Fitz on May 06, 2014, 10:06:02 PM
Story time....



So no s**t, there I was


In the early days of people having cell phones, I was one of the first joe's in the barracks with a cell phone. I had that nokia a lot of folks had, looked identical to this one:

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Anyway, out at some training at AP Hill, I was put on the ammo guard detail. There was a trailer full of blanks (guards for blanks. LOL), concertina wire, and a radio that went unused. I was still excited about this phone, but it didn't work. I'd wager at the time there was no tower anywhere near AP hill, and now there are several on post.

So, there I am, looking at the antenna protruding from the power amp, running up into and wrapped around in the tree... and the lightbulb goes off.

I took the cap off the phone to expose the leads. Grabbed some spare wire, and twisted em together. Then i ran the other end into the input on the power amp, disconnecting the radio.

Almost instantly: 3-4 bars

Hallelujah! I can call .... well. My girl. My mom maybe? So i called both, mostly to brag about having a phone out in the middle of nowhere. After, the other ammo guard asked if he could use it. We had been out there a while. I was on a really awesome plan at the time, and worked out how much each minute was costing, and it wasn't all that bad. Then the idea hit me.

Joe likes phone calls.

Joe has cash because there's an ATM on AP hill, and a small PX

SO i did what any other enterprising joe would do, and started charging for phone calls. 5 minutes for 10 dollars I think. Or maybe it was 10 for 10. Whatever it was, it was profit.

I had a line. I got greedy. Suddenly a voice i couldn't quite place said "Can I get a phone call, tholdier?"

Wait a minute. I recognize that speech impediment.

It was the Sergeant Major. The look of pure hatred in his eyes haunts me to this day.

He made me give every single cent back to the soldiers who had made the calls. Then he smoked the *expletive deleted* out of me.

Then he gave me a coin for "being smart and motivated"