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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Fitz on May 19, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-guns_n_5354569.html
I have mixed feelings on this
I don't support businesses who dont allow guns. Period.
But... previously they didn't have a problem. Then a bunch of dudes OC rifles in there... for whatever reason.
I'm not sure what they were trying to accomplish, but it seems it had the opposite effect.
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Chipotle has been on my FOAD list since the campaign to appease vegans by F***ing up the pinto beans.
That's just fine. Keep your (now) mediocre and overpriced burrito. I was a fan, and happily paid for tasty food, up until the point they decided to let politics influence the quality of chow.
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Chipotle has been on my FOAD list since the campaign to appease vegans by F***ing up the pinto beans.
That's just fine. Keep your (now) mediocre and overpriced burrito. I was a fan, and happily paid for tasty food, up until the point they decided to let politics influence the quality of chow.
I don't eat there regularly, but I did enjoy it occasionally.
The only other similar place near me is Freebirds, which i like.. No idea of their stance on guns, but since they don't have a properly posted TX 30.06 sign, I havent needed to worry
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And anyways, i guess my major point of irritation is this is another example of a "battle" that gun rights advocates engaged in, against someone who wasn't really an enemy... but now is.
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Or maybe, some people who were not involved in the OCT (Open Carry Texas) event decided posting a picture of themselves up on the book of faces (and other things) so a group of people purporting to be moms would get in a tizzy and start making demands to the Chipotle chain. BTW, why in all that is sacred would someone want to eat at that place when I am sure there was a mom and pop mexican place within a couple of blocks boggles my mind.
bob
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
Based on what I have read in other media, including newspapers in Texas, I suspect there is more than a bit of truth in this story. Way to win converts to the cause, OCT.
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Well a libertarian would say, well its is their business and they have the right to do that. Also the libertarian would also say, if you don't agree with them, no one is making you use their business.
I've never been to Chipotle, even though there is one not far from my house.
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My ex and I ate at Chipotle's once. Worst restaurant food I've ever had. I looked at other diners' dishes, and they didn't look any better.
I caught an article online about the story. I love this blurb:
"The announcement came after a petition by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which has called on other companies to ban firearms in their stores as well. The group said its petition was in reaction to open-carry gun activists appearing at a Dallas-area Chipotle restaurant over the weekend.
Erika Soto Lamb, a spokeswoman for the group, said she thought the move by Chipotle was a "bold statement," especially considering its previous stance of complying with local laws."
I'm glad that the group was able to stop Chipotle's from complying with local laws. ;/
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Well a libertarian would say, well its is their business and they have the right to do that. Also the libertarian would also say, if you don't agree with them, no one is making you us their business.
I've never been to Chipotle, even though there is one not far from my house.
I agree. My point is, their decision was preceeded by tards doing tardish things
Why would a gun owner who has all kinds of pics of him OCing a rifle everywhere choose to convince a business to NOT allow guns?
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Chipotle is delicious. I really like the rice they use.
Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women
I'm sure this is about to be a completely unbiased article.
A tall, thin man standing nearby stared at Longdon, then back at the screen. Then he walked up to Longdon and spat in her face. No one else blinked.
Longdon was shocked and embarrassed, she told me, but she didn't falter. "Wow, aren't you a big man," she said as he turned and walked away. Instead of calling for security, she wheeled herself to a restroom to clean herself off. She was tired—she lives with constant physical pain—and didn’t want to miss her flight.
Meh. People sometimes spit when in the presence of someone that discusses them. Sometimes you see it in movies where the hero couragesly does it when threatened against some real bad guy, but these are "gun extremests" so what they did was in fact cowardly by trying to make themselves "big men". ;/
What happened to Longdon in Indianapolis is part of a disturbing pattern. Ever since the Sandy Hook massacre, a small but vocal faction of the gun rights movement has been targeting women who speak up on the issue—whether to propose tighter regulations, educate about the dangers to children, or simply to sell guns with innovative security features.
Why won't these gun extremists understand that they are just trying to do things like sell guns with innovative secureity features and give a simple educatation to our children? It's not like any of these things they are trying to do violates our Second Amendment rights? Think of the children.
They shouted about constitutional rights and tyranny, and called people arriving to trade in their guns "sellouts."
The horror! :O
After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, "like something out of a commando movie," Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. "Don't you wish you had a gun now, bitch?" he scoffed before taking off.
Not cool, but it does prove a point. Also wouldn't of shed a tear if she was packing and shot him.
The sight of groups of (mostly) men carrying semi-automatic rifles along a busy road or inside the local Jack in the Box has prompted bystanders to call police.
All these evil evil men. Grrrr.
They use their guns because that's all they have. If you know what I mean."
Oh good, another penis size reference. I forgot that's why we carry firearms.
Last October, hundreds of armed people gathered for a rally at the Alamo in San Antonio, where Open Carry Texas had invited Alex Jones,
I'm sure he was super curtious and non-provocative. :facepalm:
Provocative tactics in the name of the Second Amendment are by no means confined to Texas. Recently, public displays of guns have caused alarm in Wisconsin, and gun rights activists have menaced a businesswoman in California and a gun dealer in Maryland for trying to sell firearms equipped with high-tech safety features.
Can't understand why anyone would be angry at someone working to bring in more anti-second amendment laws.
Last Thursday, a firearms instructor in Florida posted a video on the Facebook page of Moms Demand Action, in which he filmed himself at a gun range blasting a paper target bearing the Moms logo. "Happy Mother's Day," he says with a grin, displaying the cluster of bullet holes.
People often destroy the symbols of their enemies, take flag burning or effigies for example. But he used a ggggun!
Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, has faced a continuous barrage. "For me, the question is always, 'Why does this person want to kill or rape or silence me?'" she says. "I think the answer is that this issue touches a cultural nerve based on gender, geography, and other politics. There are pundits who make a good deal of money encouraging this type of anger."
[barf]
The reality is that a majority of NRA members and gun owners support the reforms we're fighting for."
No, no they don't
Am I saying that there are not people who are pretty nasty people who would serve a lot more by not talking? No. What I am saying is that most of the examples given here are really not bad at all. We certainly seem to treat the people who would like to see our constitution shredded a lot better than we did when it was first drafted up. I wonder what people would think if we were to douse one of their leaders with oil, cover in feathers, and gave them the wooden horse treament. There would probably be calls from our own side calling for their heads.
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Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, has faced a continuous barrage. "For me, the question is always, 'Why does this person want to kill or rape or silence me?'" she says. "I think the answer is that this issue touches a cultural nerve based on gender, geography, and other politics. There are pundits who make a good deal of money encouraging this type of anger."
'Cause pro-gun conservative chicks never get death threats, or hear about why/how they should be raped, or their children killed by spree killers. ;/
Shannon Watts hires armed security. 'Nuff said.
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I l8ve the comments section. I wonder how many indignant people whonposted about being 'intimidated' by gun owners give a crap about armed NBPs outside of polling places?
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Those posters go to great lengths to live in "good" neighborhoods
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I agree. My point is, their decision was preceeded by tards doing tardish things
Why would a gun owner who has all kinds of pics of him OCing a rifle everywhere choose to convince a business to NOT allow guns?
Pretty much, in your face action really works wonders doesn't it?
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Those posters go to great lengths to live in "good" neighborhoods
Failing to notice, of course, that crime, like any other profit-motivated endeavor, will go where the money is.
They like to set up high-density regions of wealth, with lots of houses full of expensive toys closely spaced so the burglars and home invaders can park and walk more easily, then they wonder why the crime doesn't stay in the "bad" neighborhood less than ten minutes' drive away.
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It's their right to say what one can openly bring into their business. It's your right not to do business with them.
That said, the clowns OCing ARs and such, especially when the fight is pretty much won, are not helping in the slightest. The way to normalize open carry of firearms is to actually act normal. As I said on Facebook, if your normal carry requires an AR be slung over your back, you may want to look to moving somewhere else.
Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR. Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual. People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.
As Alan Andrews of Vicious Circle/The Squirrel Report (in)fam(y) said, "don't violate the don't-be-a-dick rule. "
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I'm curious - how would you organize and carry out a campaign to legalize the open carry of handguns?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing that the open-carry-at-people of rifles may not be the best way to go about it. But I'd like to hear a "better idea".
stay safe.
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Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR. Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual. People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.
Y'know, a PS90 is small enough to be carried in a drop leg holster for some of us. Where would that fit in the continuum of "little gun on hip good, big gun on sling bad?"
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It's their right to say what one can openly bring into their business. It's your right not to do business with them.
That said, the clowns OCing ARs and such, especially when the fight is pretty much won, are not helping in the slightest. The way to normalize open carry of firearms is to actually act normal. As I said on Facebook, if your normal carry requires an AR be slung over your back, you may want to look to moving somewhere else.
Sidearms aren't generally noticed & don't seem nearly as threatening as an EBR. Just wear your sidearm (where legal) and go about your business as if nothing were unusual. People will be far more accepting of that than someone walking around with a EBR w/magazine in it basically getting up in their face with it.
As Alan Andrews of Vicious Circle/The Squirrel Report (in)fam(y) said, "don't violate the don't-be-a-dick rule. "
The flip-side of that is no group has really done a good job of expanding or defending their rights by trying to play nice, not upset people, and fly below the radar.
- The women's sufferage protests and arrests.
- The Civil Rights marchers, bus and diner sit-ins.
- The gay Stonewall riots in New York.
Honestly, if aside from the handful of anti-gun states, the main anti forces are now fighting Facebook and Twitter wars for the gun policies of Starbucks and Chipotle locations, it's obvious that overall in America, we've got the anti's fighting for crumbs. :cool:
That said, I think the OC protests are useful. When your enemy is weak, that's when you hammer them. Now is the time to send a message: "If you don't like guns, are afraid of guns, and don't want to see guns, then shut up, and go away. Otherwise, we'll be there, in your face with guns."
However, the key is to do it on the damn sidewalk. Not inside or on private property unless it's someone who's supportive of the cause. Then this leaves the anti's impotent, and they are denied even the symbolic "win" of having a corporate chain update their firearms policy from "neutral" to "anti".
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I like how my friend (retired Maj USAF) summed it up. (he is way more pro gun that most everyone I know)
I'm at the point where I don't care whether I piss anyone off about this.
If you're an open carry advocate, good for you.
If you're an open carry advocate who goes around toting an AR or an AK, you're a frickin' toolbag and the reason we can't have nice things.
A pistol on the hip is one thing. A rifle is something completely different. If you can't understand that, don't go out in public--you're giving us all bad names.
This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America. All you're doing is letting your inner Lindsey Lohan out when you do *expletive deleted*it like this.
Knock it the hell off.
/rant mode off
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A pistol on the hip is one thing. A rifle is something completely different. If you can't understand that, don't go out in public--you're giving us all bad names.
While I pretty much agree with your friend, I'm not sure his "reasoning" is particularly compelling.
"It isn't like what I do for some inexplicable reason that any right thinking person simply must agree with, so if you do it you're an assbag."
Yeah, doesn't really cut the mustard.
This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America.
I've hear the same sort of thing said about people who choose to carry a handgun every day.
Also, to be clear, while I don't routinely carry any gun openly and certainly not a rifle, I vehemently oppose laws prohibiting it.
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Quote from: charby's friend
This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, you douchebags, it's America.
I've hear the same sort of thing said about people who choose to carry a handgun every day.
Also, to be clear, while I don't routinely carry any gun openly and certainly not a rifle, I vehemently oppose laws prohibiting it.
Also- some places in America are not like the 'stan or iraq- the death tolls in some urban areas from random violence is actually much higher.
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There are no laws. Yet. But if you want some these fools are working for you
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There are no laws. Yet. But if you want some these fools are working for you
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My concern exactly.
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I'm curious - how would you organize and carry out a campaign to legalize the open carry of handguns?
I'm not necessarily disagreeing that the open-carry-at-people of rifles may not be the best way to go about it. But I'd like to hear a "better idea".
stay safe.
What states have done it? Look at them.
(And I think we should. By the time it got around to Illinois, we knew how the whole process of legalizing and then normalizing concealed carry went.)
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What states have done it? Look at them.
(And I think we should. By the time it got around to Illinois, we knew how the whole process of legalizing and then normalizing concealed carry went.)
Dear Learned Sir -
Try again.
Legalizing and "normalizing" concealed carry is easy, as once you get over the horror of just knowing that somebody standing in line at Starbucks just might, maybe, is doing it right next to you but you'll never know unless they go all berzerk or sheepdoggy when some fool tries to rob the place.
But the folks in Texas already know that some among them are already carrying concealed and that there has not been a river of blood washing through the gutters, the horses have not fainted, and darned few women have actually stampeded because of someone concealed carrying (which if they are doing it right you would never know).
But what about letting them carry pistolas right out in the open, on their hips or in shoulder holsters even? What's your plan for getting that accepted so that it can be "normalized"?
stay safe.
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My post from the Starbucks thread seems relevant..
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=40895.msg838250#msg838250
Yeah, I never advocated (or even heard of until this thread) OCing or making a big deal about being pro-gun. I posted a "go give Starbucks some money" thing on the facebooks whenever anti's tried to do a boycott, but there's a huge difference between "give them money to show we outnumber the other side" and "form a fire team and get your venti caramel macchiato in 3-5 second squad rushes." Morons ruin it for everyone
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There are no laws. Yet. But if you want some these fools are working for you
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I wonder if the mouth breathers' collective IQ even breaks 100. :)
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I am amazed sometimes. I have done many many many foolish things. Some recently. Never occurred to me to photograph them much less post them. There are 2 videos out there one a police dash cam and one a friends super 8 both done sans my approval
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I am amazed sometimes. I have done many many many foolish things. Some recently. Never occurred to me to photograph them much less post them. There are 2 videos out there one a police dash cam and one a friends super 8 both done sans my approval
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But you were, er.."operating"...before the advent of a) cheap, simple cameras capable of instant transmission to the known universe, and b) the compulsion to use the technology to garner attention from millions of complete strangers, foreseeable consequences be damned.
Brave new world, indeed.
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Technology does not make you smarter
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Technology does not make you smarter wiser.
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fixed.
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But the folks in Texas already know that some among them are already carrying concealed and that there has not been a river of blood washing through the gutters, the horses have not fainted, and darned few women have actually stampeded because of someone concealed carrying (which if they are doing it right you would never know).
What is the right way for women to stampede ???
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What is the right way for women to stampede ???
If they do it right, you'll never know.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
Based on what I have read in other media, including newspapers in Texas, I suspect there is more than a bit of truth in this story. Way to win converts to the cause, OCT.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/busted-mother-jones-caught-lying-airport-spitting-incident-was-a-hoax-video/
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I've seen open carry rallies in states that don't have OC with empty holster protests
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http://www.progressivestoday.com/busted-mother-jones-caught-lying-airport-spitting-incident-was-a-hoax-video/
Now isn't that very interesting, indeed.
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If they do it right, you'll never know.
That's what I was afraid of =(
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I've seen open carry rallies in states that don't have OC with empty holster protests
'But... But... But that's not actually carrying anything!!! How can someone demonstrate for/against anything without actually doing the thing they are demonstrating about/over?
And worse, what if all those Civil Rights protestors just walked around with signs saying they wanted to sit at the lunch counter, instead of actually going and sitting there?"
^ actually said to me by a Person of Liberalism1 when discussing the historical context of anti-war protesting. I asked if by that she meant that anti-war protesters ought to wage war. Deer in the headlights.
stay safe.
1 - those are her exact words describing herself. It apparently is what People Without Color Who Major In Liberal Studies call themselves.
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Not sure, but its probably fistfuls fault
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Not sure, but its probably fistfuls fault
Hey now, I haven't openly carried a rifle since about 2000. Had enough of that in the Army.
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I can certainly understand why a lot of people think certain LGOC people aren't helping. What I don't understand is the number of gun people that seem to think that Chipotle is being perfectly reasonable. If a group of _____________ (insert some other civil rights group/advocacy group) was acting stupidly and a major chain decided to ban them, I doubt people would just say, "oh well, they had it coming." Why doesn't Chipotle just deal with these people on a case by case basis and kick out the people that are causing a problem and ignore the majority that are behaving themselves?
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Fence-sitting is about the most reasonable activity going. Like most of the Bloombergers' other targets, Chipotle offered token compliance, without doing much.
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I can certainly understand why a lot of people think certain LGOC people aren't helping. What I don't understand is the number of gun people that seem to think that Chipotle is being perfectly reasonable. If a group of _____________ (insert some other civil rights group/advocacy group) was acting stupidly and a major chain decided to ban them, I doubt people would just say, "oh well, they had it coming." Why doesn't Chipotle just deal with these people on a case by case basis and kick out the people that are causing a problem and ignore the majority that are behaving themselves?
They didn't ban them, I woulda. They told them to leave their toys home. These fools wanted to be seen and treated as a group. They were. Unfortunately lots of other folk are included in that group
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From the comments section at Tam's...
Anonymous Mister_V said...
When trying to normalize open carry, it behooves one to appear, well, normal. Openly sporting a loaded AR does not say "everything is normal" to me, it says "the S has HTF," and I don't think I'm the only one. The attention whores like Navy Seacow and the Tapco Kid there need to realize that they are the "fursuiters" of the gun rights community. Sure, you have a right to do it, but doing it in public just makes the rest of us look like weirdos.
9:29 PM, May 20, 2014
I can certainly understand why a lot of people think certain LGOC people aren't helping. What I don't understand is the number of gun people that seem to think that Chipotle is being perfectly reasonable. If a group of _____________ (insert some other civil rights group/advocacy group) was acting stupidly and a major chain decided to ban them, I doubt people would just say, "oh well, they had it coming." Why doesn't Chipotle just deal with these people on a case by case basis and kick out the people that are causing a problem and ignore the majority that are behaving themselves?
They prohibited a behaviour, not a group. That said, I wouldn't personally have a problem with them banning a group if the people purporting to represent it kept hurting my bottom line. They're a business, not a forum for morans to try to make a point in.
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The adventures of Navy Seacow and the Tapco Kid! Sounds like a great movie!
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The adventures of Navy Seacow and the Tapco Kid! Sounds like a great movie!
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/s526x395/10349895_10154119164925417_6436237483098345727_n.jpg)
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Any chance they are provocateurs hired by Bloomberg?
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Anonymous Mister_V said...
When trying to normalize open carry, it behooves one to appear, well, normal. Openly sporting a loaded AR does not say "everything is normal" to me, it says "the S has HTF," and I don't think I'm the only one.
Some people would say the same thing about open carrying pistols.
The problem is mostly how you present yourself when carrying it.
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Any chance they are provocateurs hired by Bloomberg?
The opposition does not need provactateurs when there are frickin retards on your side.
I don't get why the progun crowd immediately starts thinking False Flag when crap like this happens. The gun culture is full of windowlickers such as these two. Go to just about any gunstore, and you will encounter them on both sides of the counter, for example. Or at a public range on a Saturday.
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I don't get why the progun crowd immediately starts thinking False Flag when crap like this happens.
Because it allows us to delude ourselves into believing we're all smart, sexy operators who wouldn't pull a stupid stunt like this.
"we're obviously too smart for this, it had to be 'those guys'".
Chris
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The opposition does not need provactateurs when there are frickin retards on your side.
I don't get why the progun crowd immediately starts thinking False Flag when crap like this happens. The gun culture is full of windowlickers such as these two. Go to just about any gunstore, and you will encounter them on both sides of the counter, for example. Or at a public range on a Saturday.
or any firearm related forum. :)
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The opposition does not need provactateurs when there are frickin retards on your side.
I don't get why the progun crowd immediately starts thinking False Flag when crap like this happens. The gun culture is full of windowlickers such as these two. Go to just about any gunstore, and you will encounter them on both sides of the counter, for example. Or at a public range on a Saturday.
Quoted for fricking TRUTH. Last time I was on a public range, I got muzzled more than a gangbanger at a LAPD convention. Seriously, the words "Muzzle" and "control" apparently never met in these idiots alleged "brains."
Needless to say, when I find the time to shoot these days, I do so on private land. Hell with the range.
Although, to be fair to the gun stores around here, I haven't seen much of an idiot problem around there. (PRK guns rocks!)
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I don't get why the progun crowd immediately starts thinking False Flag when crap like this happens. The gun culture is full of windowlickers such as these two. Go to just about any gunstore, and you will encounter them on both sides of the counter, for example. Or at a public range on a Saturday.
I worked private security for 5 years. Nothing earns a facepalm like realizing the captain is out sick and you're suddenly senior officer on a site full of them.
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Quoted for fricking TRUTH. Last time I was on a public range, I got muzzled more than a gangbanger at a LAPD convention. Seriously, the words "Muzzle" and "control" apparently never met in these idiots alleged "brains."
Needless to say, when I find the time to shoot these days, I do so on private land. Hell with the range.
Why I joined a private gun club with a membership cap of 150 members.
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The gun culture is full of windowlickers such as these two. Go to just about any gunstore, and you will encounter them on both sides of the counter, for example. Or at a public range on a Saturday.
The window-lickers are everywhere; not just at the range.
A while back, I had the pleasure of watching a tubby young newb at a Conservation Dept. range trying to fit two targets on the target stand, and have to be corrected. Then wandering into his booth during a ceasefire, because something insignificant fell off the bench, and he just had to pick it up. (Both of these are big no-nos at this particular range.) The screw-ups were predictable, given his bright green Croc footwear. :lol:
In fairness, he was much better than the father and son pair I once shot next to. They looked respectable enough, but had clearly not yet grokked the concept of keeping the muzzle downrange. I had to correct them, when kiddo put his pistol down, pointing straight at me.
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On the flip side, at least one establishment in Colorado welcomes open carry (although they do ask that customers' weapons remain holstered, so I'm not sure how they feel about long guns).
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/30/god-guns-and-good-eats-shooters-grill-in-rifle-colorado-is-a-second-amendment-success-story/
You'll thank me once you see the photos.
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Yes, thanks. Nice wait staff! :O
I'll have to get back to Rifle, CO soon.