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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Monkeyleg on May 21, 2014, 04:00:26 PM
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People who buy guns and gun accessories are notoriously cheap. I know that's a pretty broad brush, but I do think that gun people tend to squeeze the quarter harder than other folks, and maybe harder than they would when buying other things.
I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.
Any ideas?
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People who buy guns and gun accessories are notoriously cheap. I know that's a pretty broad brush, but I do think that gun people tend to squeeze the quarter harder than other folks, and maybe harder than they would when buying other things.
I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.
Any ideas?
KLR owners.
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Ham Radio operators
Chris
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Most of the people who car camp. Wal-Mart here we come.
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People who buy guns and gun accessories are notoriously cheap. I know that's a pretty broad brush, but I do think that gun people tend to squeeze the quarter harder than other folks, and maybe harder than they would when buying other things.
I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.
Any ideas?
No kidding, drop say $700 on a rifle but top it with $100 Bushnell scope and wrap it in a cheapo $15 big box mart case. Or own several thousands of dollars on firearms and keep them in a sub $500 safe.
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No kidding, drop say $700 on a rifle but top it with $100 Bushnell scope and wrap it in a cheapo $15 big box mart case. Or own several thousands of dollars on firearms and keep them in a sub $500 safe.
You done quit preachin' and started meddlin'... ;)
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People that fix their own cars.
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Mocassin buyers ;)
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KLR owners.
What's "KLR"?
I don't think there's tens of millions of ham radio operators, although I can imagine they could be cheap. After all, why not just pay for a phone line? ;)
Shade tree mechanics would be cheap. I wonder how many there are, and how they can be marketed to.
Moccasin buyers aren't cheap, they're just liars.
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People that fix their own cars.
I'm the rarity there, I don't mind spending money on good parts, good parts means I don't have to replace that part as often.
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I'm the rarity there, I don't mind spending money on good parts, good parts means I don't have to replace that part as often.
Parts with good reputations, tacticool gear, and collector's items are the main things that will get gun owners spending money. The problem with the last is finding the right buyer.
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I'm the rarity there, I don't mind spending money on good parts, good parts means I don't have to replace that part as often.
The "problem",from my persective,is the customer who either calls and just wants the part number so he can buy the part online or the person who takes a crappy cell phone pic,can't describe what it is,does,or where it is on the car,and then gets upset when they're told the cost.And then wants the part number so that they can shop it on-line.
My last boss told me that I "had an anger problem".I wonder why?
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I don't think there's tens of millions of ham radio operators, although I can imagine they could be cheap. After all, why not just pay for a phone line? ;)
About 600k in the US and a few million world-wide. They make gunnies look like spendthrifts though.
Chris
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What's "KLR"?
A model of dual sport motorcycles that are very popular as adventure bikes.
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No kidding, drop say $700 on a rifle but top it with $100 Bushnell scope and wrap it in a cheapo $15 big box mart case. Or own several thousands of dollars on firearms and keep them in a sub $500 safe.
I haven't been in the market for a while, but I thought $700 was the going rate for an entry-level rifle. Like, say, a Ruger M77 MkII. If so, not surprising or particularly cheap for someone to go with an entry-level optic.
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I'm cheap....yep...or maybe not....now I am confused. ???
I bought a RIA 45 mainly because of the reviews and the price, it was cheap in the world of 1911 type guns. I also bought a Sig P238, a 380 that cost as much as the RIA, a little spendy for a 380, but I like it. So, as a gunnie, I am cheap not cheap, hell, I don't know anymore.
You want to know what I think is cheap. All of those HD or HD clone riders who spend a fortune on everything but that 49 dollar thing that they call a helmet to protect their brain pan with......wait, that could just be stupid.
Now I am Confused!!!! =|
=D
bob
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It's not just HD riders. Go to Milwaukee on a warm summer day and you'll see plenty of guys in shorts, t-shirt, gym shoes, no helmet, riding their crotch rockets, with girlfriends on the back similarly dressed.
I've never seen a good $49 helmet. Where are they?
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I haven't been in the market for a while, but I thought $700 was the going rate for an entry-level rifle. Like, say, a Ruger M77 MkII. If so, not surprising or particularly cheap for someone to go with an entry-level optic.
Plenty of bottom shelf Remingtons etc at Walmart for $300ish.
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Ham Radio operators
Chris
Seconded.
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People who buy guns and gun accessories are notoriously cheap. I know that's a pretty broad brush, but I do think that gun people tend to squeeze the quarter harder than other folks, and maybe harder than they would when buying other things.
I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.
Any ideas?
Pilots and cops.
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Musicians.
Can't tell you how often guys want me to cut my asking price by an addtional 25 percent off an already great price.
I have a guy right now who just asked for an additional hundred off a 500 dollar amp head / floorboard
New price is almost a grand for both. The amp was purchased new a few months ago and never gigged. 500 is a good deal, especially since the amp is discontinued now.
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now it seems everyone is cheaping out.
What's "KLR"?
Shade tree mechanics would be cheap. I wonder how many there are, and how they can be marketed to.
it's called "j c whitney".
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People who go to garage sales.
People who shop at Dollar General so they don't have to get all dressed up as if they were going to Wal-Mart.
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I haven't been in the market for a while, but I thought $700 was the going rate for an entry-level rifle. Like, say, a Ruger M77 MkII. If so, not surprising or particularly cheap for someone to go with an entry-level optic.
$700-$1200 is about the base price of a mid level hunting rifle, like a Remington 700 or Win Model 70. Custom goes from there to you can't afford it.
You can pick up a lot of decent hunting rifles from $400-700.
Now target rifles, that is a whole different world of $$$.
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The "problem",from my persective,is the customer who either calls and just wants the part number so he can buy the part online or the person who takes a crappy cell phone pic,can't describe what it is,does,or where it is on the car,and then gets upset when they're told the cost.And then wants the part number so that they can shop it on-line.
My last boss told me that I "had an anger problem".I wonder why?
Those people are morons, you can go online and find any part number.
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You can pick up a lot of decent hunting rifles from $400-700.
Pisshaw! hunderd bucks.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Mosin_nagant_m9130_from_cia.jpeg)
cheap >:D
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Pisshaw! hunderd bucks.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Mosin_nagant_m9130_from_cia.jpeg)
cheap >:D
There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.
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Would it help to rephrase the question?
Some folks are willing to settle for whatever works just as long as it is the least expensive (and thus often the cheapest, too) when they are buying.
Those same folks are often the same ones who actually believe that the item obtained under the above criteria are worth top-drawer prices when it comes to selling.
These characteristics are ascribed to the denizens of whatever activity in which you happen to encounter them - probably because at that moment you are not encountering them in some other setting.
With that, we come to the perpetual question - how much quality is "just right"? For some things I will settle for nothing less that top-drawer quality, but will look for the least expense needed. For other things, bottom-of-the-barrel will do just fine.
That being said, I must admit that I have never wanted to know enough about a thing that I could differentiate by sight whether it was high-end, low-end, or just plain dreck. My bottom line (for myself and for everybody else) is that if it works things are just wonderful, and if your high-end/low-end stuff does not work for you I do not want to hear about it.
stay safe.
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There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.
IS SOME SORT OF RULE THAT YOU MUST TAKE RIFLE OF CAPITALIST DOG TO HUNT SMELLY FOOD?
IF RIFLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SMASH CHEST OF FASCIST, GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE SILLY TROPHY FOR DECADENT AMERICAN DEN
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IS SOME SORT OF RULE THAT YOU MUST TAKE RIFLE OF CAPITALIST DOG TO HUNT SMELLY FOOD?
IF RIFLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SMASH CHEST OF FASCIST, GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE SILLY TROPHY FOR DECADENT AMERICAN DEN
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: [ar15]
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There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.
Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?
If so, in my book it's 'good enough". Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.
stay safe.
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Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?
If so, in my book it's 'good enough". Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.
stay safe.
7.62x54R is about the same as .308, so it should do the job. Just got to get a bit closer in order to actually hit the damn thing, unless you have a Finnish rebuild...
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Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?
If so, in my book it's 'good enough". Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.
stay safe.
Most Elk where I hunt are shot 200-500yards. Most are 200-300 yards.
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Pisshaw! hunderd bucks.
I doubt you could get a decent Mosin Nagant for $100 nowadays.
Might have to splurge: $150 or so. ;)
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7.62x54R is about the same as .308, so it should do the job. Just got to get a bit closer in order to actually hit the damn thing, unless you have a Finnish rebuild...
And a Finn Mosin is not going to go for "a hunnerdollar".
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Sigh.....I remember the days when they were in gunshops in a barrel with a sign that read "$29.00 ea".
Finally bought a good one (all matching original serial #'s) for $69.00.
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OK, on the rifle prices. Like I said, I'm not in the rifle market lately, so I don't price 'em.
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Would it help to rephrase the question?
Some folks are willing to settle for whatever works just as long as it is the least expensive (and thus often the cheapest, too) when they are buying.
Those same folks are often the same ones who actually believe that the item obtained under the above criteria are worth top-drawer prices when it comes to selling.
These characteristics are ascribed to the denizens of whatever activity in which you happen to encounter them - probably because at that moment you are not encountering them in some other setting.
With that, we come to the perpetual question - how much quality is "just right"? For some things I will settle for nothing less that top-drawer quality, but will look for the least expense needed. For other things, bottom-of-the-barrel will do just fine.
That being said, I must admit that I have never wanted to know enough about a thing that I could differentiate by sight whether it was high-end, low-end, or just plain dreck. My bottom line (for myself and for everybody else) is that if it works things are just wonderful, and if your high-end/low-end stuff does not work for you I do not want to hear about it.
stay safe.
Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.
I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.
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Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
Any group I belong to . . . .
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Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.
I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.
It seems what you are actually looking for are people who are price conscious to the exclusion of all else.
I'll admit I'm guilty of that to an extent. If I'm getting the exact same product from the same manufacturer, I generally care less who the middle man providing it is. Often it'll be amazon contracting with some outfit I've never heard of before. /shrug/
Anymore, all the middlemen are doing anyway is drop-shipping - why wouldn't I choose the lowest cost vendor? If it doesn't arrive, I have the protection of visa behind me.
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Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.
I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.
Any site dedicated to finding the very lowest price will be full of people who only care about getting the very lowest price.
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I'm wondering if the cheapness of folk,or rather,the apparent cheapness of folk has become more prevalent in the last decade?If before the Towers fell people were as "cheap"as some appear now?Does recession breed a particular mindset?My grandparents and those of many,many members here lived thru the Great Depression.Those people were labeled frugal.Is there really any difference?Other than that the internet gives instant access to "deals" and that like minded folk can forum up and support each others habit?
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I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.
Any ideas?
Jeep people.
Just like gun people. If they're selling, it's worth a gazillion dollars. If they're buying, it's junk but they'll do you a favor and take it off your hands.
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Jeep people.
Just like gun people. If they're selling, it's wort a gazillion dollars. If they're buying, it's junk but they'll do you a favor and take it off your hands.
Craigslisters.
I had a guy offer me $100 for my nearly brand new air compressor the other day. *expletive deleted*ck him. I'd send it to a scrapyard before selling it to a low balling mother *expletive deleted*er like that.
Of course, if he was selling something it'd be priced like it was made of gold.
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I'm wondering if the cheapness of folk,or rather,the apparent cheapness of folk has become more prevalent in the last decade?If before the Towers fell people were as "cheap"as some appear now?Does recession breed a particular mindset?My grandparents and those of many,many members here lived thru the Great Depression.Those people were labeled frugal.Is there really any difference?Other than that the internet gives instant access to "deals" and that like minded folk can forum up and support each others habit?
Frugal is vastly different that cheap.
A frugal person may well insist on paying more than lowest price based on quality issues (buy quality once vs buy cheap over and over). A frugal person may insist on paying more than lowest price because the cheap stuff is designed for rapid obsolesence and has no user-replacable parts while the more expensive item can be maintained via repair/replacement of parts for a service life much greater than the cheapest item for less total cost than multiple replacements of the cheapest item.
stay safe.
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Frugal is vastly different that cheap.
A frugal person may well insist on paying more than lowest price based on quality issues (buy quality once vs buy cheap over and over). A frugal person may insist on paying more than lowest price because the cheap stuff is designed for rapid obsolesence and has no user-replacable parts while the more expensive item can be maintained via repair/replacement of parts for a service life much greater than the cheapest item for less total cost than multiple replacements of the cheapest item.
stay safe.
Gotcha.
Then is cheap the modern equivalent to historical frugality?Cars,appliances,& relationships-it seems that more and more faster/cheaper/easier is the norm.Don't get me wrong,I know that there are still those that aquire(and for the sake of argument I'm including relationships as acquisitions) quality but the mindset of buying cheap because it's all disposable anyways seems the norm.Walmart society.Made in China.& etc.
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No, modern cheap is not the same as "historical" frugality. Frugal has always been frugal.
The advance of instant gratification is what I blame for modern cheapness. Not sure how that actually applies to firearms/firearms accessories, except that since everybody "has to have" all 23 pounds of crap hanging off their gun and even the first 4 ounces of really good stuff does cost a lot more than 6 pounds of cheap crap, there might be your nexus.
stay safe.
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Reloaders. Was buddies with a LGS owner, and he cussed 'em. "Damned reloaders will drive 30 miles to save 50 cents". I have seen them at on a deserted range, walking the backstop, picking up bullets to re-cast.
Btdt, still have the XL-650.
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Reloaders. Was buddies with a LGS owner, and he cussed 'em. "Damned reloaders will drive 30 miles to save 50 cents". I have seen them at on a deserted range, walking the backstop, picking up bullets to re-cast.
Btdt, still have the XL-650.
Environmental heros protecting the groundwater maligned again! News at eleven.
stay safe.