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Title: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 14, 2014, 09:20:13 PM
Our embarrassing Democratic governor (redundant, I know) has vetoed a bill that would advance RKBA in my state. From what I'm told, his excuse was the arming teachers part, but expanding open carry was also a part of the bill. I'm not the biggest open-carry guy, but I was really looking forward to having a viable way to open carry - even in the crappy, urban area where I currently live - as a birthday present, right at the end of August.

http://themissouritimes.com/11596/press-release-gov-nixon-announces-final-bill-actions/


The Republicans have a chokehold on the state assembly, so the veto may very well be overridden. But: :mad:
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 14, 2014, 09:52:48 PM
Missouri at times is almost as embarrassing as Illinois, Kansas City and St Louis politics run that state way too much.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 15, 2014, 08:01:52 AM
I will punch you.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 15, 2014, 10:03:33 AM
Truth hurts
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: AJ Dual on July 15, 2014, 10:18:54 AM
"Misery, the Blow-Me State"
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 11, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
"Misery, the Blow-Me State"

Not so much.  :P

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/missouri-lawmakers-expand-gun-in-schools-cities/2014/09/11/0010a28e-3981-11e4-a023-1d61f7f31a05_story.html

Veto denied!   :lol:

As if I needed to spend more money on holsters.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Scout26 on September 11, 2014, 11:30:07 PM
Perhaps a little blowback from what's been happening in  Ferguson?
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2014, 12:19:18 AM
Perhaps a little blowback from what's been happening in  Ferguson?

More specifically, what's been coming out of the governor's mouth since Ferguson.  ;/


Here's a genius advising people against open carry.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=1095478#.VBJtNDkhbct

In the video, while standing in his store (carrying openly) he says the following:
"Plus, we discourage it because if you are walking around with open carry and somebody burglarizes are robs your place, you are going to be the first target.”

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He's the same genius that got our CCW classes screwed up for a while, and tied up gun rights' proponents on cruft they shouldn't have had to deal with. Details here: http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=29092
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: brimic on September 12, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
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I'm not the biggest open-carry guy, but I was really looking forward to having a viable way to open carry - even in the crappy, urban area where I currently live - as a birthday present, right at the end of August.

The real advantage of open carry is not open carry in itself. The real advantage is that you don't have to worry about printing, 1/4" of your holster showing, or your shirt catching on something causing your carry weapon to be in full view of others around you momentarily.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: wmenorr67 on September 12, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
The real advantage of open carry is not open carry in itself. The real advantage is that you don't have to worry about printing, 1/4" of your holster showing, or your shirt catching on something causing your carry weapon to be in full view of others around you momentarily.

This, so glad that Oklahoma gives us the option now.  Not sure I would ever open carry but glad that if I print or accidently show I'm safe.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: brimic on September 12, 2014, 10:23:26 AM
This, so glad that Oklahoma gives us the option now.  Not sure I would ever open carry but glad that if I print or accidently show I'm safe.
I call it the 'sweat pants and flip flops' rule.
If I want to run to walmart, I don't have dress in any special manner in order to conceal a handgun.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: TechMan on September 12, 2014, 11:30:39 AM
Ohio has open carry by default, there is no law against it so it is legal.  I don't know of many people that do open carry.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 12, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Ohio has open carry by default, there is no law against it so it is legal.  I don't know of many people that do open carry.


Theoretically, Missouri is the same. However, our preemption law does not cover open carry, and some cities have outlawed the practice.

It's hilarious that concealed carry used to be the boogeyman, because you wouldn't know people were carrying, and now open carry is a form of extremizm!! because, uh - well, just because.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: fifth_column on September 12, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
Ohio has open carry by default, there is no law against it so it is legal.  I don't know of many people that do open carry.

There's an Ohio subforum on opencarry.org, if you'd like to meet some:  http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?119-Ohio (http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?119-Ohio)
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: lee n. field on September 12, 2014, 04:27:37 PM
The real advantage of open carry is not open carry in itself. The real advantage is that you don't have to worry about printing, 1/4" of your holster showing, or your shirt catching on something causing your carry weapon to be in full view of others around you momentarily.

That's one thing that Ill-i-noise at least got right.  (Being last has the advantage of being able to learn from the experience of everyone else.)
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Stand_watie on September 13, 2014, 11:36:10 PM
I call it the 'sweat pants and flip flops' rule.
If I want to run to walmart, I don't have dress in any special manner in order to conceal a handgun.


You should dress enough to cover your jiggly and hairy parts though. Even at walmart. Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 13, 2014, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: adively
Ohio has open carry by default, there is no law against it so it is legal.  I don't know of many people that do open carry.

Theoretically, Missouri is the same. However, our preemption law does not cover open carry, and some cities have outlawed the practice.

Dunno about Missouri, but the Ohio state constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but state law used to prohibit concealed carry. The cops naturally assumed that meant all carry was illegal and arrested anyone they saw with a gun. Several years ago, one of the victims of this over-zealous enforcemt decided not to roll over, and took it to court. My recollection is that he lost in the lower courts, but he appealed to the state supreme court and they decided he was right.

Basically, the ruling said the state can regulate the mode of carry, but cannot prohibit something that is expressly guaranteed in the constitution. Therefore (said the court), since the state legislature had prohibited concealed carry, that meant open carry was legal.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 14, 2014, 01:19:35 AM
I kid you not. This is actually someone's response to Missouri's new law on open carry:

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So now if you're carrying a firearm you have special rights in Missouri that Unarmed people don't have.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-last-thing-missouri-needs-is-more-guns-but-thats-exactly-what-its-getting

I waded in his cesspool of a twitter account for a while, and he is apparently not kidding. Another of his responses was a link to the video clip of Jesus, from the Big Lebowski, threatening to shove someone's gun into an uncomfortable locale. I pray he is not from my home state.  :'(
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: brimic on September 14, 2014, 04:40:17 AM
You should dress enough to cover your jiggly and hairy parts though. Even at walmart. Just sayin'...


I dob't want to draw attention to myself by dressing differently than everyone else.  :angel:
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Tallpine on September 14, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Open carry worked pretty well for the Bundy supporters  :P
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: lee n. field on September 14, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
Theoretically, Missouri is the same. However, our preemption law does not cover open carry, and some cities have outlawed the practice.


Dunno about Missouri, but the Ohio state constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but state law used to prohibit concealed carry. The cops naturally assumed that meant all carry was illegal and arrested anyone they saw with a gun. Several years ago, one of the victims of this over-zealous enforcemt decided not to roll over, and took it to court. My recollection is that he lost in the lower courts, but he appealed to the state supreme court and they decided he was right.

Basically, the ruling said the state can regulate the mode of carry, but cannot prohibit something that is expressly guaranteed in the constitution. Therefore (said the court), since the state legislature had prohibited concealed carry, that meant open carry was legal.

Which was the point in time, IIRC, that Ohio finally got concealed carry.  Also the way WI went.  Again, IIRC.

Ill-annoy went a bit different.  Didn't have concealed.  Didn't have open.  Didn't have nothin'.  Court said, had to have something.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: KD5NRH on September 16, 2014, 06:00:27 PM
I call it the 'sweat pants and flip flops' rule.
If I want to run to walmart, I don't have dress in any special manner in order to conceal a handgun.

Meh.  SmartCarry is the easiest holster I've found to put on regardless of what other clothing is being worn, and easily concealed in any outfit that won't get me arrested without a firearm.  Plus the advantage of being able to turn it to either side and position it just like a tuckable IWB when that's more comfortable.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2014, 07:18:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/events/690379891057306/

An open/concealed carry "education walk" through the business district of downtown St. Louis. The organizers are trying to "raise awareness" of constitutional carry. They believe that open carry is guaranteed, state-wide, by our new constitutional amendment. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: TechMan on September 19, 2014, 10:41:51 AM
https://www.facebook.com/events/690379891057306/

An open/concealed carry "education walk" through the business district of downtown St. Louis. The organizers are trying to "raise awareness" of constitutional carry. They believe that open carry is guaranteed, state-wide, by our new constitutional amendment. Your thoughts?

Has the constitutional amendment gone into effect?
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2014, 11:48:34 AM
The amendment has gone into effect. By that time, the law that allows anyone with a CCW permit to carry openly throughout the state will also have taken effect.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Tallpine on September 19, 2014, 12:41:52 PM
It's all rather amusing from out here in the mountain west where open carry of firearms has always been not illegal  =)
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 19, 2014, 06:26:50 PM
It's all rather amusing from out here in the mountain west where open carry of firearms has always been not illegal  =)


 =|  You find it amusing that human rights are being violated?  =|  ???

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Just so you understand, it has always been not illegal in this part of the Midwest, except in certain towns. Pretty much like the Old West.
Title: Re: Well, that ruins my whole night...
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 22, 2014, 06:59:42 PM
Here's a genius advising people against open carry.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=1095478#.VBJtNDkhbct

In the video, while standing in his store (carrying openly) he says the following:
"Plus, we discourage it because if you are walking around with open carry and somebody burglarizes are robs your place, you are going to be the first target.”

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FePPOZyr.jpg&hash=07929a44c48f999044d209a8b06ba47d35b05e72)

He's [edit: NOT] the same genius that got our CCW classes screwed up for a while, and tied up gun rights' proponents on cruft they shouldn't have had to deal with. Details here: http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=29092


Sorry. These are not the same people. I know nobody cares at this point, but just wanted to clean that up.