Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Viking on November 08, 2014, 02:56:53 AM
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http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260
Interesting thing about what the Nazis, Communists and now the Islamists are doing to the US/West.
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And bringing stuff like that up can make one a "conspiracy theorist."
I've argued for years that the semantic war is being won by leftists for the simple reason that most people don't understand the impact that subtle semantic loadings have until they're smacked in the head with them... and by then it's too late. Think "assault weapon," think "arsenal," think "right-wing extremist."
It's easy to challenge the validity of someone considering the possibility of some given "conspiracy," whether it be anything from world domination plots to the existence of UFOs.
But does accusing someone of being a "conspiracy theorist" automatically eliminate the possibility of there actually being a conspiracy? (Or a plot for world domination or --at the risk of going too far --beings from outer space planning to make meat animals out of the human race.)
No, it just serves to shut down thinking about them.
If there actually is a conspiracy, wouldn't the conspirators carefully inject "dezinformatsiya" (disinformation) into the information stream?
Perhaps they might even inject easily-debunkable incidents, photographs, or videos planned to discredit the whole idea of thinking about "world domination" or the Earth as a "human ranch" for extraterrestrials.
Too much? Well, yeah. But.
Terry, 230RN
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That list sounds like the democrat party platform ;/
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If wonder if the term "McCarthyist" as an insult was something that was propagated by the Soviets. And I wonder if the idea of "Islamophobia" is something that's being promoted by CAIR or similar groups.
Also, IIRC, there's plenty of evidence that the peace movements/anti-nuclear movements in Europe were KGB projects to further destabilize Western Europe.
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I wonder if the term 'McCarthyist' as an insult was something that was propagated by the Soviets.
Sore point with me. McCarthy was wayyyy overzealous and abusive of civil rights to be sure, and as a result, the then-legitimate search for "fifth column" communist elements became a subject of ridicule.
Worse, the actual honest-to-gosh communists started to use less pejorative terms to describe themselves, such as "progressives," and the blacklisting of highly creative people became a national embarrassment.
If McCarthy had restrained himself to a sober and earnest investigation of genuine Communist influences in government and the armed Services such that these influences could merely have been brought out in the open for consideration by the voting public, we would have been much better off, in my opinion.
But no. The Senator's self-importance got so inflated that he went shamefully overboard, resulting in a kind of "sympathy" for those "accused of" (rather than merely "exposed as") having Communist leanings or actual Party Membership.
"Have you no shame, Senator McCarthy*?" became the catchword of the day.
And we no longer refer to Communists as Communists. That, after all, would be politically incorrect. So now we have the Socialist Party on our ballots. Sounds much more semantically benign, doesn't it?
That's the way I see it, and I'm old enough to have watched the Army-McCarthy hearings on our 12" black and white TV with my brother.
Terry, 230RN
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Yup
He was right about the communists but he went overboard.
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"Have you no shame, Senator McCarthy*?" became the catchword of the day....
I'm old enough to have watched the Army-McCarthy hearings on our 12" black and white TV with my brother.
Terry, 230RN
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQD4dzVkwk
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Remember who was the senators right hand man?
And then spoke out against him when he changed
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"Have you no shame, Senator McCarthy*?" became the catchword of the day.
Probably the most mis-attributed quote in all of American history. Oh, it came from Welch, all right, but attributing it to McCarthy's efforts against commie infiltration is deliberately deceiving.
Let us not forget the context of that quote. Roy Cohn, McCarthy's chief counsel for HUAC, had his catamite (David Schine) drafted into the Army. Cohn sought especially-gentle treatment for his special snowflake snoogums and went hysterical when it was not forthcoming to the extent he wanted.
Thing is, Army probably drafted Schine to get some leverage on Cohn & McCarthy. One way or the other. They got it when Cohn went full-on drama queen after his boy.
So, to drive it home, Welch asking McCarthy, "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" was not in regard to communist infiltration of the Army, but in regard to McCarthy not stopping one homosexual from abusing the power of his gov't position against the Army to get special treatment for his lover. Because McCarthy did know about Cohn and Schine, but did not care as long as they were furthering his ambitions.
But reality doesn't fit The Narrative, so reality is twisted to fit it.
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What Roo_ster said The real problem was that McCarthy didn't go far enough. (He actually couldn't because the FBI was with-holding the Venona files)
Two very good reads on the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism/dp/1400050324
One may not personally care for Ms. Coulter, but her research is indisputable. Why?
Because most of it came from thes Venona Files:
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Exposing-Espionage-Americas-Traitors/dp/0895262258/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415550659&sr=1-1&keywords=venona+papers
http://www.amazon.com/Venona-Decoding-Soviet-Espionage-America/dp/0300084625/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415550730&sr=1-2&keywords=venona+papers
http://www.amazon.com/Stalins-Secret-Agents-Subversion-Roosevelts/dp/143914768X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415550761&sr=1-4&keywords=venona+papers
This a good one, about how a Soviet agent may have triggered Japan's war against the US.
http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Snow-Soviet-Triggered-Harbor/dp/1596983221/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415550909&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=Dexter+White+svoiet+agent
And let's not forget the first Secretary General of the UN, Alger Hiss, Soviet Spy.
http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Whittaker-Chambers/dp/0895267896/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415551312&sr=1-1&keywords=whitaker+chambers
Roosevelt's administration was so full of Soviet spies, that Stalin knew what the US was going to do before Roosevelt did.
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IIRC, there's plenty of evidence that the peace movements/anti-nuclear movements in Europe were KGB projects to further destabilize Western Europe.
And the enviromentalist movement. And in the USSA.
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^ Which make me ask... anyone know if the Globular Warminating schtick is preached as fervently in Russia as it is in other countries?
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^ Which make me ask... anyone know if the Globular Warminating schtick is preached as fervently in Russia as it is in other countries?
Probably not.
It would be hard for them to see the downside =D
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Well, they wouldn't have a General Winter any more. Though nowadays, with supermissiles, he'd be useless anyhow.
Teryskovitch, 230ЯH
REFs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Winter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputitsa (scroll to Wartime Effects)
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It's an interesting article, and one with many thought-provoking points. I wonder if the author isn't ascribing to Lenin/Stalin too much intellect and foresight.
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Another type of ideological/cultural warfare: Universities offers credits to students to enter "feminist thinking" into Wikipedia. This is how you fight a culture war, people. Infiltrate academia, offer credits to students to alter articles to better suit their ideology, brainwash those who will be the educators of tomorrow, have them network. Then use your influence to further spread your ideas via your fellow collaborators in media, via articles, op-eds. This is rewriting history.
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5028
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Interdasting.
Compare Amanda Marcotte's (current) wikipedia page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte#Writing_and_activism_in_2007), compared to the archived version
found here (https://web.archive.org/web/20140217150728/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte#Statements_on_Duke_lacrosse_case). Someone is not interested in the truth.
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Liberating, too, it is to realize that the Noam Chomskys and Michael Moores and Robert Fisks of the world (and their thousands of lesser imitators in faculty lounges everywhere) are not brave transgressive forward-thinkers but pathetic memebots running the program of a dead tyrant.
This is an outstanding line in the article.
These guys aren't geniuses with any particular insight on anything. Everything they say is nonsense, which has to addressed by reactionaries, where they next spout something even more nonsensical so that their previous statement sounds reasonable and people will flock to it to fins common ground and becomes a meme. The discourse ratchets further and further towards communistic goals everytime they open their mouths and push the outer limits of nonsense further. They are very dangerous people, though michael moore pushed to far too fast and became a laughingstock instead of an effective promoter of communism.
What leftists do, up to and including obama, is basically intellectual and emotional terrorism. They create conflict and disorder then force everyone to concede something in order to end the conflict and disorder, then repeat the cycle over and over again.
See hegelian dialectic for explanation.
http://www.therightplanet.com/2014/01/hegelian-dialectics-for-dummies/
Once you understand what it is, you see it pretty much everywhere as of late.
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Anyone seen this video? Yuri Bezmenov, KGB defector, explains ideological warfare.
Edit because I forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
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And bringing stuff like that up can make one a "conspiracy theorist."
I've argued for years that the semantic war is being won by leftists for the simple reason that most people don't understand the impact that subtle semantic loadings have until they're smacked in the head with them... and by then it's too late. Think "assault weapon," think "arsenal," think "right-wing extremist."
It's easy to challenge the validity of someone considering the possibility of some given "conspiracy," whether it be anything from world domination plots to the existence of UFOs.
But does accusing someone of being a "conspiracy theorist" automatically eliminate the possibility of there actually being a conspiracy? (Or a plot for world domination or --at the risk of going too far --beings from outer space planning to make meat animals out of the human race.)
No, it just serves to shut down thinking about them.
If there actually is a conspiracy, wouldn't the conspirators carefully inject "dezinformatsiya" (disinformation) into the information stream?
Perhaps they might even inject easily-debunkable incidents, photographs, or videos planned to discredit the whole idea of thinking about "world domination" or the Earth as a "human ranch" for extraterrestrials.
Too much? Well, yeah. But.
Terry, 230RN
I use to see this exact thing when I use to be a regular visitor of a leftist web forum. Same thing with calling out Godwin, like that is supposed to somehow be an argument.
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I use to see this exact thing when I use to be a regular visitor of a leftist web forum. Same thing with calling out Godwin, like that is supposed to somehow be an argument.
Bingo!