Post by: Hutch on October 18, 2006, 04:19:41 AM
Any recommendations? Is it Stoopid to pull my laptop in the roller? Do I carry cash for meals and cabs? Which airport is preferred for access to Manhattan? Cab into the hotel, or hotel limo?
I've encountered New Yorkers before, but never on their turf. While I have no discernible accent, some Notherners seem to believe I do, and it's usually mistaken for Texan. Is this going to handicap me? Most of what I have to do is establish technical credibility and influence. (I'm a consultant)
Thanks in advance for any advice. At this point, I'll go buy a Fodor's guide, unless someone can recommend something better.
Post by: The Rabbi on October 18, 2006, 05:25:58 AM
Carry lots of cash. Make sure to flash large wads of bills whenever you pay for something. This impresses people. Always stop and give beggers something. Engage them in conversation. They can be good sources of info. On the subway make eye contact with everyone in your car. Pick the meanest looking one and stare him down. The locals have a good time doing this and will probably treat you to a beer later on. Walk around late at night. Central Park is a great place to do that. You can meet some nice sensitive men at that hour. Leave expensive looking equipment in the back of a car overnight. Nothing will happen to it. Or nothing much anyway.
Hope that helps.
Post by: HankB on October 18, 2006, 05:49:20 AM
There are lots of good places to get a late-night snack in Harlem. Now that Halloween is approaching, you can probably get a discount if you're in costume . . . ghostly white sheets are popular, particularly when a pointy hood is part of your regalia.
Street vendors have some of the best food - don't be put off by the aroma, it's not REALLY dried camel dung, just a special array of herbs and spices that they throw on the fire. Yummm . . .
People from other parts of the country won't believe how gun-friendly NYC is . . . just take along and "open carry" a Glock (with plenty of 33 round mags) and you'll find out firsthand. Be sure to make "oink oink" noises at anyone who approaches you wearing an "NYPD" cap or jacket to let them know you're not an Islamic terrorist.
Post by: Hutch on October 18, 2006, 05:52:28 AM
Post by: Harold Tuttle on October 18, 2006, 05:54:54 AM
its very safe in that area
what's interesting to note is the defensive cladding on all the buildings
every possible "hey i could climb up there and get to that balcony" approach is razor wired
Post by: The Rabbi on October 18, 2006, 07:26:27 AM
LaGuardia was always the easier airport to maneuver around in. But maybe Newark would work OK too. Compare fares for cab and limo. Some cab drivers will jack their fares, meaning taking you to Manhattan via Omaha. Get an approximate cost in advance.
I will say NY is a great place to go spend time. You can have anything you can possibly imagine, right now. Even if right now is 2AM. There is always something going on. The only downside is paying for it but for a short stay it shouldnt matter.
Post by: lupinus on October 18, 2006, 07:30:10 AM
It has its uses but there are places I'd rather be
Post by: Typhoon on October 18, 2006, 08:24:42 AM
Re: Airports. The one you choose generally depends from where you are flying. Long haul/non-stops typically go into JFK or Newark. (For instance, I always flew non-stop from Los Angeles.) Short hops/connecting flights typically go into La Guardia. Both JFK and La Guardia are in Queens (east of Manhattan) and Newark is in New Jersey (west of the Hudson River). Although geographically, Newark is closer to Manhattan, I always preferred flying into JFK. It can often be hard to get a cab that is willing to go into Manhattan from Newark (as New Jersey cabs are restricted from operating freely in New York) and there are more route choices available from Queens (bridges and tunnels).
Cabs from JFK operate at a flat rate into Manhattan. $45 (plus toll and tip) to your first destination in Manhattan. (Dont know about La Guardia). If you are on a generous expense account, by all means hire a private car, but you generally have to make the reservation in advance, and then pay for the time if you are delayed. What I used to do is take a cab from the airport, and then hire a car back when I had better control of my time. Also, if you are not on an expense account and are traveling solo, you can often pick up a shared ride into Manhattan from the airport. Saves money, and time, if the taxi queue is long.
Unless you are particularly adventurous, keep to the regular taxi queue. You may be solicited by gypsy cab drivers at the airport, but they are not recommended. Especially if you dont know your way around town.
As to the general safety of Manhattan, I have felt safer at night on the streets of Manhattan and Washington DC, than I have in Los Angeles and San Francisco. (And I am a woman.) There is generally more pedestrian traffic (the nice ones, particularly in Midtown Manhattan, where you seem to be going), and there is more of a police presence.
There is really nothing unique about New York re: safety. As mentioned above, act there as you would in any large city. Condition Yellow and all the rest. But there is no compelling reason to go overboard. Put the laptop in the roller bag.
As for credibility, I wouldnt worry. Manhattan is pretty diversified, so as long as you know your stuff, you should be fine.
LOTS of terrific restaurants where you are going. Lots to do after hours, too. Enjoy!
Post by: mtnbkr on October 18, 2006, 08:34:47 AM
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Actually I am told NY is a lot safer than when I lived there. Basically exercising basic caution, like what we always talk about in Condition Yellow etc, is good advice.
My wife, daughter, and I took a short vacation to NYC last summer because I had never been before. I've got to say we never felt unsafe, nor were we exposed to the stereotypical rude New Yorker. In fact, at one point, I was looking around to get my bearings so we could find some landmark we wanted to visit and a guy in a suit stopped and asked if we needed directions. You don't get that even in medium sized Southern towns anymore. All in all, it was a very pleasant trip (other than driving through Manhattan to get to our hotel).Can't offer much on cabs, we only took one, the rest of the time we walked or took the subway, but mostly walked.
Chris
Post by: 280plus on October 18, 2006, 09:46:19 AM
Oh, don't wander around looking upwards at the buildings with your mouth agape. That's a sure sign of a noob. Take the little tour buses, You'll learn a lot about NYC in just a little time, although that IS considered a noob thing too.
Post by: Vodka7 on October 18, 2006, 10:02:56 AM
NYC has the best public transportation system in the country--24/7 access by bus and subway to anywhere you could possibly want to go. (Unless maybe you want to go to Staten Island, but don't worry about that, because you don't. Even people who live in State Island don't want to go there.)
BTW--the one thing I don't agree with 280plus is getting to the city from the airport. If your business is comping it, just take a taxi; the air shuttle and switching in Flatbush (or is it Jamaica?) is a pain. But I strongly agree with him that you should get a laminated pocket map and an unlimited weekly metro pass. Also, the BBQ place he's referring to is most likely Virgil's, and I heartily second his recommendation. They have one of the best beer lists you've ever seen.
If you're going to have a lot of walking around time, check out Wall Street, the Village, Tribecca, Soho, 33rd, 42nd, Times Square, Lexington around the upper 50's, and Central Park. If you only go to one famous restaurant while you're there, skip the tourist trap that is Tavern on the Green and go to DeNiro's joint, the Tribecca Grill, especially if you're a wine drinker. The wine list comes out in a huge binder, and IIRC correctly their collection is rated four or five stars by Wine Spectator. If you like Chinese food, skip the crowds of China Town and take the 7 to Main St in Queens. You can't go wrong with Joe's Shanghai (try the steamed pork soup dumplings, but poke a hole in them with a chopstick and let them breathe for a minute. One of the wait staff's favorite hobbies is waiting for a white guy to shove a 400 degree dumpling in his mouth.)
Edited to add answers to some questions you actually asked
The rolling bag isn't a bad idea, although usually only women use them. If you're walking at all, even the most comfortable shoulder bag will seriously leave a dent in your shoulder. If at all possible, just keep it in the hotel room or at the office. As for cash, you'll only need it on the street--even the vending metro card machines take plastic (something I sorely miss here.) And EVERYONE in New York has some kind of accent, so don't sweat that.
Post by: charby on October 18, 2006, 10:15:57 AM
-C
Post by: 280plus on October 18, 2006, 10:27:15 AM
Post by: Fly320s on October 18, 2006, 10:28:02 AM
I was based in JFK for five years with my airline. I commuted in and out via Laguardia, primarily, so I'll give you my info on the airports and transportation.
LGA is most convenient to Manhattan. It is closer than JFK and has more options to get to Manhattan. All three airports have public transportation that will get you to downtown, eventually, but private transport (including cabs and buses) is easier.
LGA: Lots of choices. Listed easiest to hardest (and mostly more expensive to cheapest)
1. Car service. These are the Lincoln Town Cars that you will see everywhere. Some are actually new and nice while others are just barely road-worthy. Call ahead for a reservation or call from the airport. The on-demand car services, such as Kew Cab, are the less nice ones. About $40 to the city + tolls both ways. Have cash, some won't take credit. Check with your hotel to see if they have an agreement with a service.
1a. Shared ride (Super Shuttle). They are available at both airports, but I haven't used them.
2. Yellow cab. Walk out to the curb and grab one. The cabs are well regulated at the airport, make sure you stand in the que to get one; don't flag one down. Ask the attendant about flat rates; I don't know them. If it is not a flat rate, you could pay more than a car service if traffic is bad.
3. New York Airport shuttle. It is a charter size bus that runs every half hour (mostly) and drops at several locations in the city, including Grand Central. It is $15 one way (IIRC) flat fee. You can buy one way or RT, and you can schedule from your hotel's concierge when you want to leave, but I would recommend taking a car service to the airport for departure.
4. Public transport. Don't bother. You'll have to drag your bags onto a bus which will take you to the subway. Yeah, it's cheap ($2 each)but it will take you one to two hours. The buses and subways are not user friendly if you are dragging lots of luggage.
JFK:
Same options, mostly. The public transport at JFK is slightly better because you will take the AirTrain to the subway which is slightly easier than a public bus, but the AirTrain costs $5 each way.
Overall prices will be a few dollars more as JFK is slightly farther from the city. JFK-LGA is about 6 miles.
EWR:
Same basic options, but public transport is the way to go unless you have lots of luggage. You will take the airport train (free) to the PATH train ($21 one way, IIRC). You can buy your ticket at the airport or train station. It's easy to follow the overhead signs to the train station and then to the right track. This is a full-size train, not a subway. During rush hour, traffic is heavy and you may not find a seat. The train drops at Penn Station. It's pretty easy, but not as easy as a car service. Tolls are higher from the NJ side for some reason, I think.
Going to the airport:
Arrange with your hotel to get a car service or shared ride set-up. It is the easiest and most guaranteed way to get to the airport on time.
Good luck.
Post by: Vodka7 on October 18, 2006, 12:16:50 PM
Mmmmm, mustard cole slaw and pork......Here's the website: http://www.virgilsbbq.com/
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 18, 2006, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: 280plus on October 18, 2006, 12:55:28 PM
Post by: 280plus on October 18, 2006, 12:56:50 PM
Whoopsy...
Post by: Iain on October 18, 2006, 01:08:15 PM
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Are there any attractions in NYC that are gun-related?
Just outside the UN there is a big sculpture I believe.
Post by: Hutch on October 18, 2006, 03:06:23 PM
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Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 01:07:24 AM
Stay out of "Lindy's" I think I paid $11.95 for two eggs, toast and coffee there. There's at least a couple of them around too. Apparently famous people use to go there back in the 30's so they think they can still command that kind of a price for plain old food which actually sucked now that I'm thinking about it again.
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 19, 2006, 03:09:49 AM
Quote from: Iain
Quote from: fistful
Are there any attractions in NYC that are gun-related?
Just outside the UN there is a big sculpture I believe.280, you need to give that lecture in Saint Louis. Peeps be blocking the box on the regular.
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 03:20:38 AM
You learn quick though!
Sometimes the traffic is literally bumper to bumper, door handle to door handle and then there's millions of pedestrians who don't take kindly to you blocking the walkway either and just to top it off you've got these insane people on bikes squeezing THEIR way through the whole mess. They'll push your sideview out of the way to get by. I had a taxi push me forward one time as he turned out into a space in the lane next to me. He waved and smiled as he passed by. There was no catching him. I've seen them drive on the sidewalk to get around stopped traffic. The place really is kind of insane. How can you not love it?
Cars DO tend to get a little dinged up in NYC, it goes with the territory.
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 03:30:25 AM
I had the chicken n ribs myself. MMMMmmmmmm...
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 19, 2006, 03:48:18 AM
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just to top it off you've got these insane people on bikes squeezing THEIR way through the whole mess.
I grew up in a house out on a gravel road, where there was plenty of space for bikes. I don't even like riding a bicycle through a small town, much less Manhattan.
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 04:11:24 AM
When I was new, and didn't know enough to get onto the side streets to get around traffic, it took me SIX hours to get down Broadway to #547. Another time it took me three hours to get across the GWB (George Washington Bridge- It takes you over to Jersey and back. ) I WILL also agree that the change in downtown Manhattan HAS been remarkable. There are virtually NO homeless / panhandlers anywhere anymore which is in stark contrast to having them rush your car window every time you stopped at a light ala the early 90's. You couldn't drive around there with your windows down back then. Unless, of course, you WANTED to talk to a filthy guy with rotten teeth dressed in rags. I paid one a quarter once to NOT wash my windshield. He said I was a good man.
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 04:52:48 AM
Post by: Vodka7 on October 19, 2006, 08:06:10 AM
And no horn honking, although that one at least seems to be more of a suggestion than a rule you will most definitely get ticketed for like the other two.Now, the best thing about driving in NYC is that everything is at least labelled, and people view giving directions as a competitive sport. Ask four people standing at a corner how to get somewhere and you'll get fourteen different answers, all correct.
My usual internal monologue while driving in a new area of Boston or Philly usually goes something like: "was that it? Maybe that was it. I think that was it. Is that it? Maybe that's it. No, no, that first one was definitely it. Or maybe this is it." At that point it usually devolves into a five minute tirade that Art's Gramma would definitely not approve of. How hard is it for a city to put up street signs?
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 08:48:30 AM
Then one time I saw a superstretch limo down in the teeny street section of Boston for a wedding at some teeny church. My hat was off to THAT driver!
And THEN
I remember one time on Long Island when another van driver was totally blocked in by this Jag. He rammed that thing 3 times and pushed it far enough to get himself out. I provided much loud and boisterous support to his actions. Something like "WOOOHOOOOO!! THAT' S THE WAY YOU DO IT!!!
Post by: 280plus on October 19, 2006, 08:56:31 AM