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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on January 03, 2015, 01:30:35 PM
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Moar.
http://www.history-now.net/2014/12/20-incredible-history-pictures-pt8.html
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#1: First thought looking at all those medals was, "So do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on." However ...
#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.
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#10: Old sheets and dunce caps
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#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.
They didn't. It was a way to transport them back from where ever or to where ever.
USS Philippine Sea (CV47)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.navsource.org%2Farchives%2F02%2F024702.jpg&hash=2ebc2da3d7ef193720e2afb734f69bf77001e840)
If they are Navy or Marine planes they are designated R4D, not C47.
The last R4D I rode on belonged to the Marines at MCAS Iwakuni.
bob
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#13: I didn't know they flew gooney birds (C-47s) off carriers.
That carrier is just transporting the aircraft to a base. It was very common back in the day for a carrier to carry a bunch of non-carrier aircraft to their destination or a port a lot closer to the forward theater.
In fact some of the WWII carriers were designated as aircraft transports in their post WWII career.
Of course, if the carrier was able to build up enough steam an the conditions were right, it is likely possible that a C-47 could have taken off provided wing clearance was adequate. Some of the more unusual aircraft tried out on carriers include the C-130 and the U-2.
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Part 4 # 9, Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking.
They should have included a couple of pix of the other results of the Rape of Nanking.
Japanese Newspaper account of the killing contest between two Japanese soldiers. Pretty much a tie, 105 for one, 106 for the other; they decided to extend the contest to the first one to kill 150 people:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F5%2F59%2FContest_To_Cut_Down_100_People.jpg%2F350px-Contest_To_Cut_Down_100_People.jpg&hash=e0e6f301085712888b400175035d4adc3a13223a)
They were both shot to death after the war.
Warning: Don't click on this if you don't have a strong stomach:
http://images.info.com/nanking%20killing%20contest?qcat=images&r_cop=xxx&qkw=nanking+killing+contest
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Terry -
Why shot?
I'm guessing they were convicted of war crimes. War criminals were not offered the "honorable" soldier's death of being shot. They were hanged like the commoners who were criminals.
stay safe.
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Terry -
Why shot?
I'm guessing they were convicted of war crimes. War criminals were not offered the "honorable" soldier's death of being shot. They were hanged like the commoners who were criminals.
stay safe.
It's not clear to me from my reading of Iris Chang's "The Rape of Nanking," which I got out of the library and already returned. She just says they were shot at one point.
I tell you true, it was difficult reading that book word for word, and I might have missed the whole story of the outcome. She's a good writer, it's just the subject matter was occasionally too much for me. She has a section in that book regarding the postwar trials, and more information on our two "contestants" might appear there. It is perfectly possible that they were shot "extralegally" or even out-of-hand by the Chinese. The Chinese had their own "War Crimes" tribunals, by the way.
I have commented elsewhere on other examples of Japanese atrocities, for examples, the Bataan Death March and their medical experimental center, "Unit 731" in China, where live un-anesthetized vivisection of humans occured.
There is a theory outlined in "Total War"(ISBN-10: 0394471040; ISBN-13: 978-0394471044) that the ordinary Japanese soldier, since he was released from the direct rigid societal strictures of the Japanese culture and in army service, went hog-wild on the battlefield and conquered areas, which resulted in so many of the atrocities committed in the Pacific Theatre and elsewhere.
This kind of explanation occurs in other sources as well.
Not that atrocities did not occur in all war theatres, nor only in World War II, nor only by the Japanese, nor only in modern times, but they seem to have made an art of it in "The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."
Naturally, there are "apologists" and "deniers" of these kinds of events, but there is too much evidence in the form of personal testimony, movies, photographs, etc (like the printed news reports I cited previously), to allow plausible deniability. The Japanese themselves, in their history books, merely refer to it as "the Nanking Incident" without going into any details.
Ms. Chang wrote her book to bring this behavior to the fore, in the form of masses of undeniable evidence.
Hard to read, sometimes even hard for me to thumb through because of the photographs.
Terry
Edited for spelling, some syntax, and to capture text.
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The Japanese themselves, in their history books, merely refer to it as"the Nanking Incident" without going into any details.
But they like to whine about the atomic bombs...
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Al japanese society was savage until a couple of a bombs caused an existential crisis and crisis of legitimacy of dominant japanese culture. Officers and upper classes were as savage as enlisted.
Laws of war and such are western innovations that had zero impact on japan until hiroshima.
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Also read the rape of nanking when it came out. Disturbing is an understatement. The author eventually killed herself.
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^^^ I have just checked out this book.
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"Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking."
Lies, lies, lies!
Lies created by disident malcontents who conspired with the decadent and evil United States to destroy the harmony created by the benevolent hegemony of the Emperor's willingness to share Japan's blessings with less fortunate, less advanced nations.
Never should have stopped at two. Honshu should still be glowing.
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"Japanese celebrating the occupation of Nanking."
Lies, lies, lies!
Lies created by disident malcontents who conspired with the decadent and evil United States to destroy the harmony created by the benevolent hegemony of the Emperor's willingness to share Japan's blessings with less fortunate, less advanced nations.
Never should have stopped at two. Honshu should still be glowing.
Admirable and understandable sentiment. OTOH, I would have been happy if the emperor got himself a public short-drop hanging as he deserved.
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IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?
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IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?
Yep, the a-bomb magazine was empty.
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IIRC, weren't more A-bombs on backorder after Nagasaki?
Yes, but so what?
You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.
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Yes, but so what?
You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.
...while you build more A-bombs.
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...while you build more A-bombs.
Now THAT is the American "can-do" attitude that I like to see!
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...while you build more A-bombs.
Well yeah!
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Yes, but so what?
You just continue to pound the *expletive deleted*it out of them from the air and starve them out with the only truly successful submarine warfare campaign ever waged.
Agreed, but that wouldn't make Honshu glow...
IIRC, there was a debate as to whether to drop them as soon as they were produced (2-4 per month), or to save them up for Operation Downfall and drop them all at once or within a very short timeframe.
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. . . Some of the more unusual aircraft tried out on carriers include the C-130 and the U-2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar-poc38C84)
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Agreed, but that wouldn't make Honshu glow...
IIRC, there was a debate as to whether to drop them as soon as they were produced (2-4 per month), or to save them up for Operation Downfall and drop them all at once or within a very short timeframe.
Split the difference. Drop half of the produced at the end of every month and save the other half for the big grand finale
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Damn it! You pound the *expletive deleted*ck out of them conventionally until you have MORE nukes!
When you run out of nukes you keep up conventional until you gave MORE nukes.
Repeat as often as necessary to reduce Hoshi to a glowing glass slag.
It is not a difficult concept.
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I believe the war plan for the island of Japan called for nerve gas. Etc. Both my father and my father in law were infantry, training in the Philippines for the invasion when the bomb was dropped.
A very interesting book on the war is "Japan at War", Theodore Cook. The Japanese are
understandably reluctant to speak about it, Cook, with the aid of his Japanese wife, was able to arrange clandestine meetings with soldiers, etc- his interviews covered a wide ground, from a teenage nurse on Okinawa, to bio-weapons soldiers- and everything in between.
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The US didn't have nerve gas at that time. Nerve agents were only discovered in Germany in the middle 1930s, and they didn't become know to the Allies until Germany surrendered.
Planners held out the possibility of using mustard, phosgene, chlorine, and hydrogen cyanide gasses in the invasion of Japan. Gasses were being stockpiled at forward bases in the Pacific when the atomic bomb was dropped.
What's not really common knowledge is that poison gas was stockpiled in Europe (England, and later, after the invasions, Italy and France), as a defensive measure against the Nazis using it. A Nazi air raid in Italy (I think) hit a US cargo ship in harbor and caused numerous casualties and some fatalities from the release of mustard gas.
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VIDEO US PROPAGANDA FILM CHINA V JAPAN
Not Safe For Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=H9yKqcs699k&x-yt-ts=1422579428
"WW2 - Japanese Invasion of China | The Second Sino-Japanese War | 1937-45 | World War II Documentary "
Long: 1:02:35.
"Puff piece" on China for the first 6 minutes or so, then gets into the Japanese attacks on China in the second Sino-Japanese war.
The reversal of alliances in the years between the production of this movie and the present reminds me once again of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry convinces Elaine that the original title of Dostoevsky's "War and Peace" was "War, What Is It Good For?"
Some of it is what I call "drekumentary," where file footage from "wherever," accurately inserted or not, is included to accompany the narration. Pick and choose as you will.
I note that the "Tanaka Memorial," is nowadays regarded as a fake, yet Japan seems to have followed this "fictional" protocol for conquest exactly... has there been a bit of revisionist history going on here because Japan is now an ally?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanaka_Memorial
I also note the terms "Jap" and "Nip" were politically correct for the time. They are no longer politically correct. Does this tell you something, too?
The Rape of Nanking (modern: Nanjing) begins about 18:35, goes on with "file footage" of bombing, then presents the "blood crazed" attack on Nanking.
But then, united by the Nanking episode, the Chinese "traded land for time" and moved its industry to the western provinces to re-arm itself.
Chennault's AVG (the American Volunteer Group, the "Flying Tigers") segment begins at ~42:40.
The Burma Road and "Flying the Hump" is also covered.
Et Cetera
Terry, 230RN