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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: RoadKingLarry on March 12, 2015, 06:18:57 AM
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Getting ugly in Ferguson again, 2 cops shot outside the police station
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/12/2-police-officers-reported-shot-outside-ferguson-police-department/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/12/2-police-officers-reported-shot-outside-ferguson-police-department/)
Keep your head down Fistful.
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A guy that works in the area said just a few days ago that things were getting worse there. Now this comes after the DOJ ripped them, and just a matter of hours after the police chief announced his resignation. Gee, that really calmed tensions, didn't it?
I knew it would be a bad idea to encourage the mob to believe that its previous violence was getting them what they wanted. They obviously smelled the blood in the water last night.
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Blood on Eric Holder's (and, by extension, President Obama's) hands.
They want racial tension. And now they have created strife.
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Blood on Eric Holder's (and, by extension, President Obama's) hands.
They want racial tension. And now they have created strife.
Stop blaming the fan for fanning the flames that were already there.
stay safe.
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Stop blaming the fan for fanning the flames that were already there.
stay safe.
That would be fine if their allies hadn't been stoking these flames for the past 30+ years. They may only be the latest in a long line of racial hucksters, but that does not absolve them of the guilt of this crime.
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Holder just couldn't leave well enough alone. He had to justify the riots, stoke more racial strife, by inventing racism charges against the Ferguson PD. And now two innocent men are dead because of it.
I agree with Mak. Holder has blood on his hands.
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Holder just couldn't leave well enough alone. He had to justify the riots, stoke more racial strife, by inventing racism charges against the Ferguson PD. And now two innocent men are dead because of it.
I agree with Mak. Holder has blood on his hands.
For clarity, the officers are not dead, just gravely wounded. One was shot in that face and the other the shoulder.
Doesn't change who bears responsibility for encouraging this, though.
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My mistake. When I heard about it on the radio I thought they said the officers were shot and killed. That's encouraging, I hope they recover.
Nobody deserves to die because some scumbag politician was trying to score points.
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Cops should take a vacation. All of em
Lucky they didn't return fire
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The city govt takes much of the blame I think because they have not prosecuted people for misbehaving and telegraphed that they were not planning to prosecute anyone. Give someone a free yard and don't be surprised if they try to take a mile.
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I don't necessarily trust news sources on either side of this issue to know who to believe regarding the behavior of this police department. Even so, whether they are good cops or bad cops, it is clear to me that Holder drew a target on all of them, all for an agenda.
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Cops should take a vacation. All of em
Lucky they didn't return fire
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It sounds like they were shot from quite a distance- I'm surprise the word 'sniper' hasn't been bandied around by the media yet. It also sounds like the cops were protecting the good people from the thug protesters, having them take a vacation is a no-go. Other than that, I agree with your sentiment 100%.
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The good people might need to stand up and bark. Get rid of the thugs themselves
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The good people might need to stand up and bark. Get rid of the thugs themselves
I think they have tried but the problem is they get out numbered and out barked.
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I don't necessarily trust news sources on either side of this issue to know who to believe regarding the behavior of this police department. Even so, whether they are good cops or bad cops, it is clear to me that Holder drew a target on all of them, all for an agenda.
Ferguson PD's treatement of its black population is bog-standard. Neither especially targeted nor coddled.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/blackwhite-arrest-ratios-ferguson-is-averageville-usa/
(https://i.imgur.com/PGBnGCy.png)
Steve Sailer has a series of posts examining the data behind black/white arrest rates across the country, to include honing in on cities.
For instance, the disparity of black/white arrest rates in leftist utopia Madison, WI is over 3x that found in Ferguson.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/everywhere-is-guilty-the-justice-dept-jihad-against-ferguson-in-statistical-perspective/
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http://www.unz.com/isteve/arrest-rates-ferguson-v-peoples-republic-of-santa-monica-ca/
http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-atlantic-madison-wisconsin-is-not-ferguson-missouri/
There are more if you are interested.
Matter of fact, libertopias tend to have MUCH greater B/W arrest ratio disparity. To see why:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
Again, the test of life has a math component.
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I just heard some self-professed expert on CNN talking about the fact that the cops supposedly think the shooter used a pistol because of cartridge cases found at the scene, and how he must be an expert shot to hit the cops at 125 yards. Apparently this guy has never heard of pistol caliber carbines.
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I don't necessarily trust news sources on either side of this issue to know who to believe regarding the behavior of this police department. Even so, whether they are good cops or bad cops, it is clear to me that Holder drew a target on all of them, all for an agenda.
The Dept. of Social Justice's book-cooking has been fisked, and found wanting.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=47462.msg967978#msg967978
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I just heard some self-professed expert on CNN talking about the fact that the cops supposedly think the shooter used a pistol because of cartridge cases found at the scene, and how he must be an expert shot to hit the cops at 125 yards. Apparently this guy has never heard of pistol caliber carbines.
Also, might have just been shooting at the group and happened to make two hits. I never heard how many shots were taken.
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I just hope it wasn't M855s from a pistol: here we go again.
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Thanks for the links roo_ster and fistful. Interesting data to compare and contrast to the talk of the MSM talking heads. It makes Holder's statements that much more weighted to an overall agenda.
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Also, might have just been shooting at the group and happened to make two hits. I never heard how many shots were taken.
From the Post-Dispatch's reporting, they heard four shots being fired. I haven't yet heard how many casings they found.
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For clarity, the officers are not dead, just gravely wounded. One was shot in that face and the other the shoulder.
Doesn't change who bears responsibility for encouraging this, though.
To be fair, two innocent men were killed and their blood should be on Holder. Remember the two cops gunned down in NYC? And why they were gunned down?
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So...all that is happened is Holder's fault? While I am sure he (Holder) is guilty of flaming much of this, it is not all on him.
I believe some of the anger there and nation wide has to do with *expletive deleted*it like this:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/12/officer-pulls-elderly-couple-over-for-window-tint-then-things-suddenly-take-a-dramatic-turn/
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Tharp, however, said the experience has left a bitter taste in his mouth.
“I tell you what, I respect the law less today than I did before,” he said.
69 year old man saying this, should say a lot.
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So...all that is happened is Holder's fault? While I am sure he (Holder) is guilty of flaming much of this, it is not all on him.
I believe some of the anger there and nation wide has to do with *expletive deleted*it like this:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/12/officer-pulls-elderly-couple-over-for-window-tint-then-things-suddenly-take-a-dramatic-turn/
"Alright; it's a fair cop, but society's to blame."
I don't think anyone's saying that Holder was on that grassy knoll in Ferguson, pulling the trigger, just like no one's saying that Holder torched the Quiktrip, or made Ferguson PD screw up on their initial handling of the case. Still, he and his office did what they did, and should share the blame.
I don't know that Holder is the one most responsible for pressuring Jackson to resign, but whoever did is also responsible, to my mind. I find it more than a coincidence that police were attacked directly after their leader stepped down.
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I would place some blame on the local prosecutor and political leadership as well. My impression was they pretty much sent the message from the start that they weren't going to stop any of the nonsense.
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I would place some blame on the local prosecutor and political leadership as well. My impression was they pretty much sent the message from the start that they weren't going to stop any of the nonsense.
I agree, with the caveat that I'm pretty sure there were higher powers pressuring them to take that position. (Governor of the state in addition to already mentioned culpables.) That does not remove the local leaderships culpability, but it does mitigate it.
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So...all that is happened is Holder's fault? While I am sure he (Holder) is guilty of flaming much of this, it is not all on him.
I believe some of the anger there and nation wide has to do with *expletive deleted*it like this:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/12/officer-pulls-elderly-couple-over-for-window-tint-then-things-suddenly-take-a-dramatic-turn/
There is plenty of bad cop stuff going on without good cops being thrown under the bus with the current administration.
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Cops should take a vacation. All of em
Lucky they didn't return fire
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Actually on second thought, yes.
They should take a vacation when holder/jessejackson/obama/sharpton or any other race pimp visits, and let the chips fall where they may.
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I just heard some self-professed expert on CNN talking about the fact that the cops supposedly think the shooter used a pistol because of cartridge cases found at the scene, and how he must be an expert shot to hit the cops at 125 yards. Apparently this guy has never heard of pistol caliber carbines.
Shhhhhsh, zipit, zip zip zipit.
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That would be fine if their allies hadn't been stoking these flames for the past 30+ years. They may only be the latest in a long line of racial hucksters, but that does not absolve them of the guilt of this crime.
The guilt for this crime resides with the people who committed it, no one else. "Eric Holder made me do it!" is not a valid defense in a legal or moral sense.
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Shhhhhsh, zipit, zip zip zipit.
I'm betting it was something more along the lines of a 10/22...
Pistol/pistol carbine/5.56 pistol.... reminds me of the Brady bill of the 90s- noone could manufacture standard capacity magazines so people stopped carrying neutered magazined wondernines and started using more effective low cap handguns in .357 and .45.
The remington 740 or SMLE gathering dust in the closet would be substantially more lethal in such circumstance than anything that shoots green tip ammo or a pistol carbine, though I'm pretty sure that neither of these rifles are common among the demographic who shot these cops.
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The guilt for this crime resides with the people who committed it, no one else. "Eric Holder made me do it!" is not a valid defense in a legal or moral sense.
No. Legal culpability for this crime resides with the people who committed it.
If I start (falsely) telling a guy how I saw his wife making out with some other guy in a car and tearing his clothes off as they went into his house for some "fun" and he goes home and kills his wife, do I bear any guilt for that?
Legally, maybe not. Morally, most definitely.
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For example, THIS lady:
http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/11/perils-of-gossip.html (I will include a warning, because this is a pretty gruesome story.)
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Legally and morally multiple people can be 100% guilty, and thus you can hypothetically have multiple people getting the death penalty or life imprisonment for a single murder. Likewise with conspiracy and aiding and abetting multiple people can be culpable for a single person crime. Just because someone is 100% guilty, doesn't mean there can't be yet more guilt.
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125 yard pistol shots on human sized targets are VERY doable.
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Is there any intel on the caliber, and how many bullets connected? I was listening to the audio of a CNN broadcast, and I was more confused afterward than before. "If you don't listen to the news, you are uninformed. If you DO listen to the news, you are misinformed."
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Is there any intel on the caliber, and how many bullets connected? I was listening to the audio of a CNN broadcast, and I was more confused afterward than before. "If you don't listen to the news, you are uninformed. If you DO listen to the news, you are misinformed."
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It might be very hard to determine depending on how the rounds expanded, tumbled and fragmented on impact. They know nothing more then approx bullet weight based on what is recovered.
Oh, and as an FYI: .38 Special/.357 Mag bullets are .357. 9mm is .356 (or is it .355 I disremember), so is the forensics guy really going to be able tell what it is after being shot from a gun and then entering a body? I highly doubt it. (Unless you shooting a big ,slow, heavy, military bullet like from a 6.5 mm Carcano....)
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. . . (Unless you shooting a big ,slow, heavy, military bullet like from a 6.5 mm Carcano....)
Those bullets can be magic . . .
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125 yard pistol shots on human sized targets are VERY doable.
Especially shooting at a crowd sized target. Several officers standing in a line on crowd control.
Not rocket science or super secret sniper squirrel shooting.
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It's just now being announced, arrest made. Charges filed. Gun recovered (handgun). It's a resident of the area.
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Oh yeah, the accused was on probation for previous stuff and has confessed to firing the shots.
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Jeffrey Williams. 20 years old. They're not saying that he was aiming at the cops. They're hinting that his target MAY have been someone else. Might be something else going on, or they just might be being careful about what they claim.
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The police chief was asked by the press and answered that the arrestee is African - American.
2 charges of assault, 1 charge for firing from a car, 3 charges for using a firearm in a felony. Apparently, he's claiming that he was shooting at someone else that he had a dispute with, but did not attend to the 4 rules of firearm safety. The cops were merely his unintended backstop.
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Apparently, he's claiming that he was shooting at someone else that he had a dispute with, but did not attend to the 4 rules of firearm safety. The cops were merely his unintended backstop.
=| Is there any way that helps him, legally?
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Apparently, he's claiming that he was shooting at someone else that he had a dispute with, but did not attend to the 4 rules of firearm safety. The cops were merely his unintended backstop.
*cough*bullshit*cough*
Is there any way that helps him, legally?
Would not surprise me to see him get a light sentence.
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Oh yeah, the accused was on probation for previous stuff and has confessed to firing the shots.
Surprise!
Jeffrey Williams. 20 years old. They're not saying that he was aiming at the cops. They're hinting that his target MAY have been someone else. Might be something else going on, or they just might be being careful about what they claim.
Apparently, he's claiming that he was shooting at someone else that he had a dispute with, but did not attend to the 4 rules of firearm safety.
It sounds dumb, but also typical.
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=| Is there any way that helps him, legally?
IANAL. Howevers, if "hands up, don't shoot" got such a following, I would imagine "he wasn't TRYING to shoot them" could get a foothold during the pre-legal, or extra-legal phases.
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=| Is there any way that helps him, legally?
Saw it on the news earlier. The angle presented was that he was firing in self defense, and accidentally hit the cops instead.
I think whatever Boomhauer was hacking up is contagious, because I feel it as well.
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Read it was a .40
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Read it was a .40
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Any relation to a certain DEA agent also known to pack a "Glock Forty?"
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Could be but one of the news sources said the casings were to a .40
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He may have claimed to be targeting someone other than the cops in hopes that he might avoid some of the "slips" & "falls" he's likely to receive while incarcerated.
Wonder if the cops/city will be reimbursing the two guys that were arrested earlier. I'd imagine quite a bit of damage was done to their place during the arrest.