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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Balog on March 27, 2015, 03:12:11 AM
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http://www.stripes.com/news/us/army-special-operations-command-pushes-back-against-alarmist-claims-about-upcoming-exercise-1.335949
I don't participate in the hysteria over this particular exercise. It would be inaccurate to believe that there is not significant planning going on to use the US .mil against US citizens on US soil however.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-homeland-a-%E2%80%9Cvision%E2%80%9D-of-the-future?page=1
Bracken's thoughts on the matter.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/bracken-operation-jade-conditioning/
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But....but.....but.....OATHKEEPRS! !111!!
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If you think the white house is involved with setting training goals for USASOC, I have a bridge to sell. Braken is giving the Pres and his "team" way more influence over trying schedules then exists.
I am not super excited about increased military training in the US, and hope folks blow their roadblocks with a hearty "F U". Which happens in a war zone as well, actually so that'd be good training. That said, there isn't some vast conspiracy to condition good patriotic bloggers that the .mil should be running around and taking over.
I would also posit that folks that think Mr. Obama could get US Army officers to operate against right wing US citizens don't actually know very many US Army officers.
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Is bracken trying to replace al jones? Their fan base overlaps
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If you think the white house is involved with setting training goals for USASOC, I have a bridge to sell. Braken is giving the Pres and his "team" way more influence over trying schedules then exists.
I am not super excited about increased military training in the US, and hope folks blow their roadblocks with a hearty "F U". Which happens in a war zone as well, actually so that'd be good training. That said, there isn't some vast conspiracy to condition good patriotic bloggers that the .mil should be running around and taking over.
I would also posit that folks that think Mr. Obama could get US Army officers to operate against right wing US citizens don't actually know very many US Army officers.
The Commander in Chief and his lapdogs on the Joint Chiefs of Staff are unable to exercise influence on .mil training schedules, and our entire officer corps would refuse to follow in the footsteps of MacArthur, Patton, and Eisenhower? Fascinating.
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Balog:
First one: not unable so much as doesn't really bother to. Believe me or not, but training, even training at this level, isn't planned at the executive level. JCS give takers to the MACOMs. "You will be ready and avaliable to do X NLT Y date. Go forth and train." The kind of subtle conditioning your blogger is accusing the CinC of would take a much more active role in training schedules the the executive branch, or even the JCS's actually have. We have published doctrine, and subordinate commanders train to that. (ish)
Second one: obviously there's no way to be sure without the ball on going up for real, but I can tell you the officers I know are well aware of the more shameful parts of the Army's history regarding oppression of the populace, both ours and others. It is something we are personally aware of, as well as professionally wary of. The actions of those generals are discussed, not in good terms, in our Professional Military Education courses, and as a profession we take seriously the charge to make sure the mistake the Army made in the past aren't repeated. No group of humans is perfect, but we do our best. I can't predict the future, but I can promise my fellow Officer's and I wouldn't just start operations on Americans on the say so of the CinC, any CinC not just the current one. FWIW we also spend a fair amount of time discussing things like Nuremberg.
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Balog:
First one: not unable so much as doesn't really bother to. Believe me or not, but training, even training at this level, isn't planned at the executive level. JCS give takers to the MACOMs. "You will be ready and avaliable to do X NLT Y date. Go forth and train." The kind of subtle conditioning your blogger is accusing the CinC of would take a much more active role in training schedules the the executive branch, or even the JCS's actually have. We have published doctrine, and subordinate commanders train to that. (ish)
Second one: obviously there's no way to be sure without the ball on going up for real, but I can tell you the officers I know are well aware of the more shameful parts of the Army's history regarding oppression of the populace, both ours and others. It is something we are personally aware of, as well as professionally wary of. The actions of those generals are discussed, not in good terms, in our Professional Military Education courses, and as a profession we take seriously the charge to make sure the mistake the Army made in the past aren't repeated. No group of humans is perfect, but we do our best. I can't predict the future, but I can promise my fellow Officer's and I wouldn't just start operations on Americans on the say so of the CinC, any CinC not just the current one. FWIW we also spend a fair amount of time discussing things like Nuremberg.
1. I have no idea if it is happening or not, merely responding to the idea that it is not possible.
2. Humans are humans are humans. It's possible that the officer corps would commit mutiny/desertion/treason en masse if ordered to do something objectionable. But history takes a dim view of the likelihood. Especially if those damn Jews right wing terrorists have just burned the Reichstag blew up a building.
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If you think the white house is involved with setting training goals for USASOC, I have a bridge to sell. Braken is giving the Pres and his "team" way more influence over trying schedules then exists.
I am not super excited about increased military training in the US, and hope folks blow their roadblocks with a hearty "F U". Which happens in a war zone as well, actually so that'd be good training. That said, there isn't some vast conspiracy to condition good patriotic bloggers that the .mil should be running around and taking over.
I would also posit that folks that think Mr. Obama could get US Army officers to operate against right wing US citizens don't actually know very many US Army officers.
Some Os would object, some Os would STFU and do the bidding of their superiors. Replacements would be found for the objectors.
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Some Os would object, some Os would STFU and do the bidding of their superiors. Replacements would be found for the objectors.
Same with NCO's and enlisted. There would be two sets, just like before the Civil War.