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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: jim in anchorage on May 02, 2015, 09:42:43 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0)
Pretty good shot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0)
Pretty good shot.
Good shot, hell! Good nerves.
When I got up my pants would have been long and brown.
stay safe.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwD0ZkJYfC0)
Pretty good shot.
Indeed!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
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Wow! :O
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
Those dollars (and Euros) to pay for wildlife management and conservation in poor African countries don't just materialize out of thin air.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
Ever watch the shows on NatGeo/Animal Planet about the poor creatures that are dying off because of poor management, over-population, festering wounds from combat with other animals, etc?
The outrageous permit fees for safaris fund wildlife management and habitat conservation/rehabilitation and anti-poaching activities, while the safaris themselves pour money into the local population's pockets.
From 2 years ago: http://www.phirimasafaris.com/pricing.html
Current rates: http://www.africanskyhunting.co.za/pricelist.html / http://www.africanskyhunting.co.za/pricelist-zim.html
stay safe.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
You might feel different if you were a native herdsman losing all his cattle to lions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
I wouldn't refer to it as "taught a lesson". The risk of hunting something than can hunt back is part of the draw for many.
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I read a bioghraphy of a big game guide out of Zimbabwe who did guided hunts before they outlawed hunting there. I think he immigrated to the US and wrote for the NRA. The book said that after they outlawed hunting, they couldn't afford to pay for the rangers and others to keep poachers out. They had gangs with AK47's coming in and slaughtering elephants and other animals for the horns, tusks, etc. The book said they were coming out of Samolia.
You can see the same thing in the US. There are many animals that are hunted, but a lot of effort (funded by hunters) goes into preserving habitat and making sure there are more animals to hunt next year. We also have laws that restrict organized commercial hunting which is often what really knocks the numbers down.
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It is said that sport hunters are the biggest conservationists out there, and I believe that. Still it doesn't keep the one's who shoot big cats for fun from being a**holes.
I mean, money doesn't cure a**holery, does it?.. even if it is relieved from said a**hole and put to good use...
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It is said that sport hunters are the biggest conservationists out there, and I believe that. Still it doesn't keep the one's who shoot big cats for fun from being a**holes.
I mean, money doesn't cure a**holery, does it?.. even if it is relieved from said a**hole and put to good use...
If its not big cats, its wolves that people in far off places think of as pets or too cute to shoot while being completely ignorant about the economy or ecology of where the animals live.
Who is the bigger ahole? The guys who put up the money to help a local area with potential pests where money is desperately needed, or the guy 5000 miles away spouting off about them?
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Or the cute coyotes here
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyrZrMbzIU
I don't see much of a point killing cats for fun, so when such a**holes get taught a lesson I grin. =D
*Take special note of the whining and whimpering during the -self defense- attack =D =D =D
Not to mention the whimpering after the attack -- toward the end, that big, tough he-man wasn't exactly toughing it out, he was basically crying. Gotta admit, ole Tex What's-his-name handled it a lot better when he shot himself in the leg.
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Not to mention the whimpering after the attack -- toward the end, that big, tough he-man wasn't exactly toughing it out, he was basically crying. Gotta admit, ole Tex What's-his-name handled it a lot better when he shot himself in the leg.
Emotional response after the event is not the same as coming apart emotionally during the event. It's a fairly common response, based on my very limited observations of others coming down from a life-threatening situation.
stay safe.
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I would repeat a point: It is generally NOT the individual trophy hunters that kill off a population of animals. From everything I have see, it is unrestricted, uncontrolled commercial harvesting of animals for a whatever reason that does it. That is what is happening in many African nations. They outlawed the trophy hunting and have left things wide open for the poachers to come in and slaughter animals to sell horns and hides.
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I would repeat a point: It is generally NOT the individual trophy hunters that kill off a population of animals. From everything I have see, it is unrestricted, uncontrolled commercial harvesting of animals for a whatever reason that does it. That is what is happening in many African nations. They outlawed the trophy hunting and have left things wide open for the poachers to come in and slaughter animals to sell horns and hides.
So what you're saying is that certain African nations need to declare open season on poachers ...
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So what you're saying is that certain African nations need to declare open season on poachers ...
Conservation Wardens patrolled for poachers when trophy hunters paid the bills to keep the lights on.
Noone else is going to patrol for poachers.... if you were a sustainance level farmer, you might be tempted yourself to poach- rhino horn, elephant ivory, or big cat penis bones bring big money from chinese buyers.
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So what you're saying is that certain African nations need to declare open season on poachers ...
No, no, no!
Same rules - permit, PH, ice made using a generator on the back of one of the several trucks used to move your 4-star hotel to the next place where "You should have been here last week. They were all over the place." =D
stay safe.
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Allowing hunting of people might not bring the type of people that you really want visiting.
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I would repeat a point: It is generally NOT the individual trophy hunters that kill off a population of animals. From everything I have see, it is unrestricted, uncontrolled commercial harvesting of animals for a whatever reason that does it. That is what is happening in many African nations. They outlawed the trophy hunting and have left things wide open for the poachers to come in and slaughter animals to sell horns and hides.
Bushmeat.
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Not to mention the whimpering after the attack -- toward the end, that big, tough he-man wasn't exactly toughing it out, he was basically crying. Gotta admit, ole Tex What's-his-name handled it a lot better when he shot himself in the leg.
Did you watch the right video? Saying hoo-hoo-hoo after being knocked down by a charging lion is crying?
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Did you watch the right video? Saying hoo-hoo-hoo after being knocked down by a charging lion is crying?
He was talking about the video where the guy was maybe 1/2 second from being nearly eviscerated/killed by a leopard. I guess a guy who just fought tooth and nail for his life is now a sissy because he probably went into shock and wimpered abit about what just happened, not to mention he got cut up ptetty good. ;/
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I read a bioghraphy of a big game guide out of Zimbabwe who did guided hunts before they outlawed hunting there. I think he immigrated to the US and wrote for the NRA. The book said that after they outlawed hunting, they couldn't afford to pay for the rangers and others to keep poachers out. They had gangs with AK47's coming in and slaughtering elephants and other animals for the horns, tusks, etc. The book said they were coming out of Samolia.
I think you meant Kenya and not Zimbabwe. Kenya is right next door to Somalia, and Zimbabwe is several international borders away. In fact, Zimbabwe had a very vigorous wildlife conservation program for a long time - they were splitting the safari dollar profits with local villages, which decided how to distribute the money themselves; some gave cash payments to each family, some built schools, and one built a grist mill and started milling grain for surrounding villages. This way the locals saw VALUE in the wildlife - a renewable natural resource! - and came to realize that poachers were stealing THEIR property. So poaching was fairly well controlled for a long time.
Of course, Mugabe eventually ran off the rails and started seizing land for his cronies, so I'm not sure what the situation is in Zimbabwe today.
I know Kenya outlawed hunting because the safari companies were getting in the way of the poachers and reporting instances of poaching, which was an embarrassment to some Kenyan government officials . . . which of course were getting paid off by the poaching operations they weren't actually running. (It was generally accepted that these corrupt officials included members of old Jomo Kenyatta's own family.)
Oh - was the biography you're thinking of by any chance Finn Aagard's?
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I think you meant Kenya and not Zimbabwe. Kenya is right next door to Somalia, and Zimbabwe is several international borders away. In fact, Zimbabwe had a very vigorous wildlife conservation program for a long time - they were splitting the safari dollar profits with local villages, which decided how to distribute the money themselves; some gave cash payments to each family, some built schools, and one built a grist mill and started milling grain for surrounding villages. This way the locals saw VALUE in the wildlife - a renewable natural resource! - and came to realize that poachers were stealing THEIR property. So poaching was fairly well controlled for a long time.
Of course, Mugabe eventually ran off the rails and started seizing land for his cronies, so I'm not sure what the situation is in Zimbabwe today.
I know Kenya outlawed hunting because the safari companies were getting in the way of the poachers and reporting instances of poaching, which was an embarrassment to some Kenyan government officials . . . which of course were getting paid off by the poaching operations they weren't actually running. (It was generally accepted that these corrupt officials included members of old Jomo Kenyatta's own family.)
Oh - was the biography you're thinking of by any chance Finn Aagard's?
I know a guy who muzzle loader hunts in Africa 2-3x per year and even took his 12 year old son last year...
What you said pretty much mirrors what he's told me. He doesn't go to zimbabwe, kenya anymore, and as of last year isn't going to South Africa anymore either- mainly because the people and politics have become more dangerous than the hunts. Says Namibia is nice though.,.
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I know a guy who muzzle loader hunts in Africa 2-3x per year and even took his 12 year old son last year...
What you said pretty much mirrors what he's told me. He doesn't go to zimbabwe, kenya anymore, and as of last year isn't going to South Africa anymore either- mainly because the people and politics have become more dangerous than the hunts. Says Namibia is nice though.,.
I've hunted in RSA, Zimbabwe, and Zambia . . . I'd be reluctant to go back to the first two today; thanks to the people and politics, a safari there might be a whole lot more of an adventure than I'd be comfortable with. ;)