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Title: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2015, 10:06:23 AM
I am going to have to read up on her; I know just about nothing other than her role as the CEO of HP.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: roo_ster on May 04, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
I am going to have to read up on her; I know just about nothing other than her role as the CEO of HP.

She took two large mediocre computer & peripheral companies (HP & Compaq) and merged them into a single, larger mediocre computer & peripheral company.

Other than that, she is a cypher and a California Republican.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Ben on May 04, 2015, 10:16:55 AM
The site doesn't have updated stances for 2016, but this is where she was last time around:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Carly_Fiorina.htm

I'm still waiting for other conservative candidates to shake out, but I would certainly vote for her over Jeb Bush.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 04, 2015, 10:52:42 AM
The site doesn't have updated stances for 2016, but this is where she was last time around:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Carly_Fiorina.htm

I'm still waiting for other conservative candidates to shake out, but I would certainly vote for her over Jeb Bush.

I'd stay home, watch midget porn and drink vodka over voting for another Bush, much less Jeb.  He spent the weekend lobbying for legalizing illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: makattak on May 04, 2015, 11:26:23 AM
The site doesn't have updated stances for 2016, but this is where she was last time around:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Carly_Fiorina.htm

I'm still waiting for other conservative candidates to shake out, but I would certainly vote for her over Jeb Bush.

As I had thought, she is an acceptable candidate. I'd prefer to have a candidate who has served in office to better gauge their sincerity, but overall, she seems good.

Incidentally- I think Republicans need to get in the identity politics game. It's stupid and it's detrimental to the country- but clearly it works. Not playing the game now does nothing to benefit the country as the voters clearly don't care about unity.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: dogmush on May 04, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
My first thought was "Who?"

That might be a good thing.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2015, 11:56:44 AM
As I had thought, she is an acceptable candidate. I'd prefer to have a candidate who has served in office to better gauge their sincerity, but overall, she seems good.

Incidentally- I think Republicans need to get in the identity politics game. It's stupid and it's detrimental to the country- but clearly it works. Not playing the game now does nothing to benefit the country as the voters clearly don't care about unity.
If they are just going to play games, then yes, I agree with you.  If Ted Cruz or Rand Paul can simply talk about and defend some common sense limited govt ideas, I think that would be better.
Title: Re: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: lupinus on May 04, 2015, 12:10:12 PM
I'd stay home, watch midget porn and drink vodka over voting for another Bush, much less Jeb.  He spent the weekend lobbying for legalizing illegal immigrants.
You say that like that wasn't already on your agenda.
Title: Re: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: MillCreek on May 04, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
You say that like that wasn't already on your agenda.

I thought this was his standard weekend.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 04, 2015, 01:08:54 PM
Well you also have Ben Carson jumping into the fire also.  The Republicans are about to do the same thing they have done the past couple of tries, flood the market and beat each other up during the primaries and not bring forward one solid candidate. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: TommyGunn on May 04, 2015, 01:20:36 PM
Why bother worrying about having a solid republican candidate after 8 years of Obama?



Oh.
Right .... Hillary.    [tinfoil] [popcorn] :facepalm:
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 04, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Or any other Democrat.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: TommyGunn on May 04, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
Or any other Democrat.

Some of them are just NOT prime time players either.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: birdman on May 04, 2015, 06:12:26 PM
I'd vote for her as a Veep on a Walker or Paul or Perry (in that order) ticket
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Doggy Daddy on May 04, 2015, 11:10:46 PM
I'd stay home, watch midget porn and drink vodka over voting for another Bush, much less Jeb.

Bar in the headboard, mirror on the ceiling?
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Northwoods on May 04, 2015, 11:48:23 PM
I've talked to a few HP employees that were there during her tenure as CEO.  She is not remembered fondly.  Though one or two of her successors are remembered even less fondly.  Given the remembrances of Carly, that takes some doing.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
I heard someone mention Trump was interviewed about the shooting in Garland, TX and talked about how foolish it was to provoke Muslims.  I hope that was just an exaggeration of what he said, but he won't get far with me with that attitude. 
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2015, 12:05:29 AM
I heard someone mention Trump was interviewed about the shooting in Garland, TX and talked about how foolish it was to provoke Muslims.  I hope that was just an exaggeration of what he said, but he won't get far with me with that attitude. 

I was just reading up on Ben Carson today and am not thrilled with some of his positions either. Especially on guns. I'm not a "gun rights uber alles" voter, but I have always found that the closer a candidate is aligned with my views on the 2nd, the closer their views on most other topics align with mine. Carson isn't overly anti-gun, and perhaps could be called sorta pro-gun, but statements like, "semi-automatics are okay in the country, but not the city" don't exactly thrill me.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Boomhauer on May 05, 2015, 12:12:40 AM
I heard someone mention Trump was interviewed about the shooting in Garland, TX and talked about how foolish it was to provoke Muslims.  I hope that was just an exaggeration of what he said, but he won't get far with me with that attitude. 

Trump is a shitbag...
Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 05, 2015, 02:51:16 AM
California Republican that's pretty damning statement in its self she made a statement today that she was relieved that the 6 police officers were charged in Baltimore
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 05, 2015, 06:33:45 AM
Now Huckebee is tossing his cookies into the ring.
Title: Re: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: lupinus on May 05, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Now Huckebee is tossing his cookies into the ring.
Meh. Unexciting, but I'd take him over a lot of the other noise makers.
Title: Re: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: jim in anchorage on May 05, 2015, 08:35:32 AM
You say that like that wasn't already on your agenda.
=D Sounds like a good day to me =D
Title: Re: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Balog on May 05, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
Meh. Unexciting, but I'd take him over a lot of the other noise makers.

My thoughts on Huckabee.

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Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: makattak on May 05, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
She took two large mediocre computer & peripheral companies (HP & Compaq) and merged them into a single, larger mediocre computer & peripheral company.

Other than that, she is a cypher and a California Republican.

One description of her time at HP (which I haven't researched, and won't until she seems to actually be a contender worth my time to research) is that she was willing to take the heat and make some unpopular changes that were necessary to advance the company (or at least allow it to survive.)

If true, that's the kind of person we need.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: roo_ster on May 05, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
One description of her time at HP (which I haven't researched, and won't until she seems to actually be a contender worth my time to research) is that she was willing to take the heat and make some unpopular changes that were necessary to advance the company (or at least allow it to survive.)

If true, that's the kind of person we need.

I don;t know if it was necessary.  The resulting company was nothing to write home about.  Just as middling, but bigger.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on May 05, 2015, 02:36:23 PM
Eh, it's debatable that HP is a "middling" company, but it's also largely irrelevant.  Fiorina saw HP through the dot com blowup.  The fact HP survived at all is no mean feat.

Fiorina started as a secretary and worked her way up to the very top of the ladder at AT&T/Lucent and then HP.  I don't know much about her politics, but her business chops are solid.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2015, 06:36:17 PM
I don't know much about her politics, but her business chops are solid.

Which is kind of an endorsement to Birdman's suggestion. It would nice to have a VP that actually did some work. Though I suspect her skills would serve much better in a few of the Secretary roles.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 06, 2015, 06:23:06 AM
Which is kind of an endorsement to Birdman's suggestion. It would nice to have a VP that actually did some work. Though I suspect her skills would serve much better in a few of the Secretary roles.

Can anyone tell me what the VP's actual role is in the government?
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: mtnbkr on May 06, 2015, 06:34:30 AM
Can anyone tell me what the VP's actual role is in the government?

1.  They're the warm failover for the prez.
2.  They preside over the senate.
3.  Cast tiebreaking votes in the sentate.
4.  Molest the womenfolk.  Oh, sorry, that's a duty Creepy Rob Lowe Joe Biden created.

Chris
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2015, 09:13:29 AM
Can anyone tell me what the VP's actual role is in the government?

They (hopefully) help the president to win elections.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: makattak on May 06, 2015, 09:33:59 AM
Can anyone tell me what the VP's actual role is in the government?

The Vice President has little real power. However, he can take on a role as a political enforcer and close advisor to the president.

Or he can be the court jester. Clearly, we have the latter well illustrated these past 6+ years.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: MechAg94 on May 06, 2015, 09:40:23 AM
You forgot Assassination Insurance....in one of two ways.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 06, 2015, 10:06:22 AM
The VP's only job spelled out in the Constitution is to be the presiding officer of the Senate.  He/She only has a vote to break a tie.  Other than that the VP is the President's lackey.
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: RevDisk on May 06, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
One description of her time at HP (which I haven't researched, and won't until she seems to actually be a contender worth my time to research) is that she was willing to take the heat and make some unpopular changes that were necessary to advance the company (or at least allow it to survive.)

If true, that's the kind of person we need.

Partly true. She started as a management trainee at AT&T. Did alright to very good in middle senior management. HP packaged up all their old non-IT stuff and spun it off as Agilent Technologies. Which has done alright. There was some other... not hugely controversial but not great decisions. At HP, the merger with Compaq was a slow motion car crash and the pivotal moment of HP's slow decline ever since. In my opinion, she was a not terrible but not great CEO. She made a very bad call on the HP/Compaq deal. HP hasn't done well since.

I'm not a fan because she's a big believer in globalization, offshoring and H1B expansion. Very much a "this quarter earnings", and not a long term strategist. I wouldn't want her as a president. I have no doubts she would do good things for shareholders, but I'd expect very much an attitude of "kick the American workers in the nuts until things work out."
Title: Re: Carly Fiorina announces Republican candidacy for POTUS
Post by: Hutch on May 07, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
Per McCain, the job of Veep is to inquire daily about the health of POTUS, and to attend the funerals of third-world leaders.