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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on May 07, 2015, 11:17:11 AM
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The new "edgier" Hamburglar. Plus I just saw on Fox Business that they're putting kale on the menu. If I want kale, I'll go to Whole Foods and buy it. If I'm in a hurry for fast food, I want a mediocre, greasy burger, greasy fries, and a coke that are gonna have the same "meh" but edible taste at whichever franchise I get them.
Go back to your roots McDonalds, or you're gonna be done. Once you make things too complicated, I'm just gonna take the time to stop and eat inside at the better and more expensive place across the street.
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Edgy? looks like a hipster metrosexual going to a costume party as a 60's Batman Joker henchman.
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I think you're right.
The problem McDonald's has is if they unabashedly go back to the "Tasty stuff that's bad for you! Honeybadger! YEARRRGH!"-model that smaller chains like Hardee's/Carl's Jr., Five Guys etc. are using as their niche, as the biggest player (for now) McDonald's will take all the heat too, which is more than they're already taking over the issue, compounded by the "living wage" $15/minimum wage idiocy sweeping the country right now.
Of course, no matter how many salads or granola they sell, no one will ever take them seriously as a healthy option either.
So all that remains of McDonald's business core is the people driving through because it's convenient. Busy parents with a minivan full of brats they know will behave even worse if they're hungry, all the while feeling a twinge of guilt and hopelessness as they do it... "McDonald's? Meh. I guess... Whatever."
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I'd be happy if Mcdonald's got my drivethrough order correct more than 50% of the time, maybe they should focus on that?
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They're over thinking the problem by catering to a minority.
Make a half decent burger, cook your fries in beef fat like you used to, speed it up, and get orders right. Its a simple formula, and it works fine. Stop dicking with it.
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They're over thinking the problem by catering to a minority.
Make a half decent burger, cook your fries in beef fat like you used to, speed it up, and get orders right. Its a simple formula, and it works fine. Stop dicking with it.
Exactly. I realize I'm guilty of posting more than my share of McDonalds related topics, but the above does hit the nail on the head. I suspect what might happen, if they choose to go back to their roots, is that McDonalds locations will close. They keep saying they want to cater to the hip kids, but the hip kids in places like NYC won't eat there no matter what. People who go to Chiptole won't generally go to McDonalds. If they want a burger, they'll go to their local brewpub.
McDonalds going back to their roots will do best in Suburbs, catering to the mom with the van full of kids AJ mentions, and at freeway offramps and rest stops where they'll get the travelers. Also I suspect much of flyover country. For some reason the corporation seems to be focusing on the urban market. And not just the general urban market, because they do seem to be popular with inner city minorities, but to the gentrified urban market, which seems to me to be a very low percentage of the overall population.
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If their menu becomes harder to understand than Panera Bread I'm going to Panera.
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I think McDonalds would do a lot better if they didn't have terrible food served by surly staff in a dirty restaurant.
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I think McDonalds would do a lot better if they didn't have terrible food served by surly staff in a dirty restaurant.
So, IOW, if they were In-N-Out?
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So, IOW, if they were In-N-Out?
Huh?
In-N-Out chow is lousy and costs an arm & a leg.
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Exactly. I realize I'm guilty of posting more than my share of McDonalds related topics, but the above does hit the nail on the head. I suspect what might happen, if they choose to go back to their roots, is that McDonalds locations will close. They keep saying they want to cater to the hip kids, but the hip kids in places like NYC won't eat there no matter what. People who go to Chiptole won't generally go to McDonalds. If they want a burger, they'll go to their local brewpub.
McDonalds going back to their roots will do best in Suburbs, catering to the mom with the van full of kids AJ mentions, and at freeway offramps and rest stops where they'll get the travelers. Also I suspect much of flyover country. For some reason the corporation seems to be focusing on the urban market. And not just the general urban market, because they do seem to be popular with inner city minorities, but to the gentrified urban market, which seems to me to be a very low percentage of the overall population.
Agreed. They do seem to be going after the wrong market. I assume it is a bunch of upper management people that don't even eat there.
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Huh?
In-N-Out chow is lousy and costs an arm & a leg.
What?
A Double Double and cheesburger costs me five bucks and is head and shoulders above most other fast food burger joints, including the McD's $8 double quarter pounder value meal. Maybe the franchises in TX just suck. In-N-Out was started in CA, and all the franchises here are sparkling clean, use good, fresh, ingredients, and have staff on par with Chick Fil-a.
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What?
A Double Double and cheesburger costs me five bucks and is head and shoulders above most other fast food burger joints, including the McD's $8 double quarter pounder value meal. Maybe the franchises in TX just suck. In-N-Out was started in CA, and all the franchises here are sparkling clean, use good, fresh, ingredients, and have staff on par with Chick Fil-a.
Two points:
1. The burgers suck.
2. The fries suck.
At least McD has good fries. And the McD $0.99 breakfast burrito is OK at $0.99. That is about it for the McD's menu.
I had heard great things about IOB, but the reality is really underwhelming. If these are supposed to be good burgers, California must have the worst burger selection in the USA.
Heck, Whataburger's fries are better. And Whatburger's burgers are so much better it is no contest.
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Two points:
1. The burgers suck.
2. The fries suck.
At least McD has good fries. And the McD $0.99 breakfast burrito is OK at $0.99. That is about it for the McD's menu.
I had heard great things about IOB, but the reality is really underwhelming. If these are supposed to be good burgers, California must have the worst burger selection in the USA.
Heck, Whataburger's fries are better. And Whatburger's burgers are so much better it is no contest.
Have a nice day anyway!
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McD's needs to go back and just do burgers and breakfast, quit trying to be everything for everyone, that is what Jack-in-the-Box if for. If I want a cheap and quick taco or burrito I'm going to Taco Bell, or whatever chain is where I am.
I've gotten to the point I don't even go to McD's. Kids say they want that I say go to it, I'm going to get a good burger or something else altogether.
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Maybe the franchises in TX just suck. In-N-Out was started in CA, and all the franchises here are sparkling clean, use good, fresh, ingredients, and have staff on par with Chick Fil-a.
I've been to a couple in FW and one in Dallas, and they were clean, well staffed, polite and the food tasted like food. Not as fast as McD's, but they were a lot more crowded, too. (And they also had a much larger seating area than a typical McD's. At a guess, I would say around 3x the total seating.)
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that is what Jack-in-the-Box if for.
Fast food taste and service at diner speed and price?
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Fast food taste and service at diner speed and price?
Last time I was in one I was lucky if it came out that fast, plus the food sucked, won't go back.
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I've been boycotting Jack In The Box since they killed a kid or two in the PNW with undercooked e.coli burgers. The part that pissed me off was the CEO's arrogance after it happened (don't remember the details)
I really used to like their cheap tacos, and they have some new pricier stuff on the menu that looks pretty good now... but I'm not going to try it.
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RoadKingLarry's Fast food rating system
Based on a 0- 5 hurl scale. 0 hurls is good, five hurls is bad.
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Arby's [barf] [barf] [barf] [barf] [barf]
What-a-burger [barf] [barf] [barf] [barf]
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Just don't mess with my once a month #5 Bacon, egg and cheese biscuit meal with small coffee and no one gets hurt [ar15]
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They're over thinking the problem by catering to a minority.
Make a half decent burger, cook your fries in beef fat like you used to, speed it up, and get orders right. Its a simple formula, and it works fine. Stop dicking with it.
Mickey D's fries are just fine the way they make 'em now. Much better than Burger King's.
Service is where McD's has fallen flat on its corporate face. If I walk into a Burger King, there's a person at a register, ready to take an order. If they're busy, they'll have all two registers up and running. The order goes in, somebody assembles it in the kitchen, and there's another counter person to put it in the bag or on a tray for the customer. Done.
I walk into a McDonald's (any McDonald's in my area) and there's a line of four registers, one of which is nominally open, and more often than not the person logged onto the single open register is making a sundae or a Mocha Frappe Latte or something while the customers line up and get angrier and angrier because there's nobody to take an order for a simple hamburger and fries.
And +eleventy on the order accuracy. They're awful.
And then there's the issue of discontinuing the stuff people want to eat. Like the Honey-Mustard snack wrap. That was one of my go-to items when I had to eat at McDonalds. Now? Gone the way of the Dodo bird.
What the hell is kale, anyway?
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It's too bad you fellers don't know what McD's fries really tasted like when they used real sliced potatoes and fried them in lard. The burgers were actually from dead cows and had a lot of fat in the meat and cooked on a griddle in their own grease from the fat.
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It's too bad you fellers don't know what McD's fries really tasted like when they used real sliced potatoes and fried them in lard.
You're not he only old-timer around these parts! :P =D
I thought it wasn't that many years ago that the vegans killed the fries? Like around 2000 or so. I remember a distinctly different taste. They still make some of the best fries despite no lard and their other failures, but yeah, the old fries were the best.
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You're not he only old-timer around these parts! :P =D
I thought it wasn't that many years ago that the vegans killed the fries? Like around 2000 or so. I remember a distinctly different taste. They still make some of the best fries despite no lard and their other failures, but yeah, the old fries were the best.
I worked at McD's 93-95. The fryer oil was 100% vegetable oil, but I think the fries had beef tallow on them from the Canadian fry plant. They were sliced from potatoes, but parboiled/blanched at the manufacturer.
Burgers were 100% beef, but had a high fat content.
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I worked at McD's 93-95. The fryer oil was 100% vegetable oil, but I think the fries had beef tallow on them from the Canadian fry plant.
Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.
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Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.
I think you are correct, I do remember something about beef tallow being the source of the kvetching.
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Ah, I think that's what the vegan's beef with the fries was.
It wasn't vegans, Hindus had an issue with it. IIRC of course.
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It wasn't vegans, Hindus had an issue with it. IIRC of course.
Well somebody who hated delicious, delicious beef by-products anyways. :laugh:
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That new hamburglar looks annoying and creepy. Big fail. If they're going to bring back the Hamburglar, they should actually bring back the Hamburglar. The Hamburglar is a larcenous little kid, who just can't get enough burgers. This new hamburglar is old enough, he should get a job, and just wait in line and pay for his hamburgers like everyone else.
As for the kale and stuff, I think some are over-reacting a bit. They'll put this stuff on the menu, and three people will order it, and the rest of us will continue to get our Paunchburgers and Krusty-Partially-Gelatinated-Non-Dairy-Gum-Based-Beverages.
Oh, and if you want a good burger at Jacknthebox, order a Big Cheeseburger, cheese only.
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I worked at McD's 93-95. The fryer oil was 100% vegetable oil, but I think the fries had beef tallow on them from the Canadian fry plant. They were sliced from potatoes, but parboiled/blanched at the manufacturer.
Burgers were 100% beef, but had a high fat content.
I thought JR Simplot supplied fries to McDs. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplot
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It's too bad you fellers don't know what McD's fries really tasted like when they used real sliced potatoes and fried them in lard. The burgers were actually from dead cows and had a lot of fat in the meat and cooked on a griddle in their own grease from the fat.
Mate, I got my driver's license about the time the first McDonald's opened in my home state. I know what the fries tasted like. Not really much different than they taste today. I don't know of any other chain whose fries taste as good as, let alone better than, McDonald's.
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Oh, and if you want a good burger at Jacknthebox, order a Big Cheeseburger, cheese only.
If you're going to hold the burger, why not just order a grilled cheese sandwich?
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I worked for McD's when the McDLT came out and that was a big deal for them. Now it seems like they and everyone else is coming up with something "new" every other day.
Quit trying to please all of the people all of the time.
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MickyD's stopped using beef tallow in is friers in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Before that they had used a tallow and vegetable oil blend.
Some years ago they got into a big stink when it came out that they were putting some sort of beef extract on the fries during manufacture as a way of boosting the flavor. Vegans and Hindus didn't like that, and there were a bunch of lawsuits.
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MickyD's stopped using beef tallow in is friers in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Before that they had used a tallow and vegetable oil blend.
Some years ago they got into a big stink when it came out that they were putting some sort of beef extract on the fries during manufacture as a way of boosting the flavor. Vegans and Hindus didn't like that, and there were a bunch of lawsuits.
Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?
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Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?
Because they have friends and family that aren't vegan/vegetarian and are willing to eat at places like McDonalds if they have vegetarian options.
Chris
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Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?
They hadn't filled their daily quota of "offended" and/or "faux outrage" yet?
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I thought JR Simplot supplied fries to McDs. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplot
All the fry boxes said made in Canada on them, I see Simplot has branches in Canada.
I believe McD's used made in Canada fries because of their restaurants in Canada and some of the products had to be produced domestically in Canada.
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Because they have friends and family that aren't vegan/vegetarian and are willing to eat at places like McDonalds if they have vegetarian options.
Chris
So brown bag it. Don't change the whole restaurant to suit you.
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So brown bag it. Don't change the whole restaurant to suit you.
The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves. They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.
Chris
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The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves. They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.
Chris
Or option 3, they did it so the squeaky wheel would STFU.
Lot's of stuff get ' s done in corporate America so people will take their lawyers and STFU.
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1. McDonald's fries really aren't that great. I think it is your imagination and comparing them to fries that suck like Burger King. They are just like most fast food places. They are great when hot out of the fryer, but suck when they are cold. IMO, Popeye's fries are pretty good. So are some others, when hot. Most of us, if honest, could find a dozen local burger joints within 100 miles that are better.
2. On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain. Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other. The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up? Go figure. They take too long? Wonder why? It gets much worse when they start having 57 different value meals with 389 different topping combinations each. This is fast food. Stop expecting it to be a 4 star restaurant.
2a. I think many fast food places would do better by letting you top your own burgers like Fudruckers, or putting the toppings on the side like the old McDLT. Having to build your own wouldn't be fast food I guess.
3. I agree on the service issue. Even when minimum wage was much lower, it was a problem.
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The only people who changed the whole restaurant was McDonalds themselves. They did it because they either saw a profit in doing so or they realized what they were doing was a bit disingenuous vis a vis the animal products in an otherwise vegetable-based product.
Chris
I just always thought it was odd that a burger joint would cater to vegetarians at all.
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Mickey D's fries are just fine the way they make 'em now. Much better than Burger King's.
Service is where McD's has fallen flat on its corporate face. If I walk into a Burger King, there's a person at a register, ready to take an order. If they're busy, they'll have all two registers up and running. The order goes in, somebody assembles it in the kitchen, and there's another counter person to put it in the bag or on a tray for the customer. Done.
I walk into a McDonald's (any McDonald's in my area) and there's a line of four registers, one of which is nominally open, and more often than not the person logged onto the single open register is making a sundae or a Mocha Frappe Latte or something while the customers line up and get angrier and angrier because there's nobody to take an order for a simple hamburger and fries.
And +eleventy on the order accuracy. They're awful.
And then there's the issue of discontinuing the stuff people want to eat. Like the Honey-Mustard snack wrap. That was one of my go-to items when I had to eat at McDonalds. Now? Gone the way of the Dodo bird.
What the hell is kale, anyway?
I worked at a McDonald's for a few months in high school. We were usually busier being on an interstate highway. The managers used to give you crap at the end of every shift if your average order time was over 30 seconds. It didn't matter if it was one person or a family of 5. They expected you to get all the orders and drinks and make change in that time. No, there was no one to help fill the order either. This was when min wage was $3.35 per hour. I left after 3 months and glad of it. They tended to underpay and treat staff like crap. The owners showed up every now and then and scream at everyone.
I see other places like Popeye's that has someone taking orders and someone filling orders. That does keep things moving better. They have a simpler menu also.
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2. On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain. Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other. The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up? Go figure. They take too long? Wonder why? It gets much worse when they start having 57 different value meals with 389 different topping combinations each. This is fast food. Stop expecting it to be a 4 star restaurant.
IMO, joints like McDonalds, BK, etc. shouldn't even do the special order burgers. The whole point of going to them, vs a better place, is getting in and getting out. Don't want something on your burger? Take it off yourself. A guy I knew used to always do a special order with the rationale that it would get him a "fresh" burger vs one that was sitting under the heat lamp.
Part of the problem with McD level places is, I think, training, incentivizing, and the actual assembly line. At McDs, you have one person both taking orders and taking money. I can sometimes see why I get a regular coke instead of diet when I'm paying and the cashier is both counting my money and taking an order at the same time (especially a custom order).
Places like In N Out, Five Guys, etc. can do efficient and fast "custom orders" because of how they make their burgers, as well as the infrastructure of the assembly line. At In N Out, you have one person taking carside orders and another at the cashier booth. Both of them verbally confirm your order (as does the person at the pickup window, before they hand you your food).
They also seem to be able to incentivize their employees. It always impresses me that when at the cashier booth at In N Out, if the line is such that the cashier doesn't have cashier duties, I see them jump up and do other work until the line moves forward. These are almost always High School kids, and I find their motivation impressive. At McDonalds, the cashier just sits and waits until the next person pulls up.
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McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60. Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
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McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60. Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
Okay, I take it back - you are the only old-timer posting in this thread. =D
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I just always thought it was odd that a burger joint would cater to vegetarians at all.
Diverse groups of people like to eat together. Especially when it's a quick stop to grab a bite to eat while out. I'm sure my vegetarian friend would prefer to eat elsewhere, but when she's the lone non-carnivore, she's willing to make do with just fries and a drink.
Chris
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Diverse groups of people like to eat together. Especially when it's a quick stop to grab a bite to eat while out. I'm sure my vegetarian friend would prefer to eat elsewhere, but when she's the lone non-carnivore, she's willing to make do with just fries and a drink.
Chris
AYUP
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Diverse groups of people like to eat together. Especially when it's a quick stop to grab a bite to eat while out. I'm sure my vegetarian friend would prefer to eat elsewhere, but when she's the lone non-carnivore, she's willing to make do with just fries and a drink.
Chris
McDonalds has salads now, so who cares about fries?
Don't want something on your burger? Take it off yourself.
I'm more than willing to do that when it comes to something like a tomato slice - easily removed. Ketchup (or melted cheese) is bit messier, and you can't get all of it.
Besides, wouldn't any fast food joint that refuses special orders lose business to those that will?
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I'm more than willing to do that when it comes to something like a tomato slice - easily removed. Ketchup (or melted cheese) is bit messier, and you can't get all of it.
Besides, wouldn't any fast food joint that refuses special orders lose business to those that will?
Eh, likely. You special orderers just bug me at the drive-thru part of McDs. I get along with you fine at the "make it after you order it" places. =D
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The ones that kill me are a family with a bunch of kids that let each kid customize their burger. Little Jimmy wants onions but no pickles. Susie gets pickles but no onions. Johnny doesn't like ketchup. And so on. Takes forever to order.
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2a. I think many fast food places would do better by letting you top your own burgers like Fudruckers..
I would imagine those things get pretty septic, especially half-way through a lunch rush. Besides, it would be at least twice as bad as jockeying for your preferred nozzle at the self-serve soda fountain.
We had a couple of quick-service burger places around here that have tried them. One place gave up on the concept, and I'm not sure about the other one.
Since McDonalds, et al, already have ketchup and mustard packets, they could perhaps just let people add those themselves.
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I'm more than willing to do that when it comes to something like a tomato slice - easily removed. Ketchup (or melted cheese) is bit messier, and you can't get all of it.
Same with their finely chopped demon testicles onions.
Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if there weren't so many people idiotically convinced that the skunk of the root world is edible.
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The ones that kill me are a family with a bunch of kids that let each kid customize their burger. Little Jimmy wants onions but no pickles. Susie gets pickles but no onions. Johnny doesn't like ketchup. And so on. Takes forever to order.
My parents never allowed that, either you take as it comes off the menu or you go without. Probably a good thing because I like food pretty much as it comes when dining out. Wife on the other hand... I did ask my mother in law if she swatted my wife much as a child last year on Mother's Day, she said not enough.
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2. On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain. Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other. The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up? Go figure.
No, I'm talking about basic, straight-off-the-menu items. Like the time I ordered two grilled honey-mustard snack wraps (when they were still a menu item) and found when I reached my table that they had miraculously morphed into two crispy ranch snack wraps.
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1. McDonald's fries really aren't that great. I think it is your imagination and comparing them to fries that suck like Burger King. They are just like most fast food places. They are great when hot out of the fryer, but suck when they are cold. IMO, Popeye's fries are pretty good. So are some others, when hot. Most of us, if honest, could find a dozen local burger joints within 100 miles that are better.
2. On order accuracy, I think most people would do better if they just freaking ordered burgers all the way or plain. Everyone wants to subtract this or that and add the other. The assembly line, minimum wage workers have trouble keeping up? Go figure. They take too long? Wonder why? It gets much worse when they start having 57 different value meals with 389 different topping combinations each. This is fast food. Stop expecting it to be a 4 star restaurant.
2a. I think many fast food places would do better by letting you top your own burgers like Fudruckers, or putting the toppings on the side like the old McDLT. Having to build your own wouldn't be fast food I guess.
3. I agree on the service issue. Even when minimum wage was much lower, it was a problem.
On point to, often it's just that that they are morons. I got a chicken sammich at McDonalds. I didn't ask for anything special. When I got home and pulled it out....there was no chicken on the chicken sammich. When you can't be bothered to put the chicken on the chicken sammich you aren't confused, you're a worthless moron.
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The ones that kill me are a family with a bunch of kids that let each kid customize their burger. Little Jimmy wants onions but no pickles. Susie gets pickles but no onions. Johnny doesn't like ketchup. And so on. Takes forever to order.
I also see this at potluck-type events, with small children. Mom or Dad has to ask Jimmy and Susie exactly what they want, and it's often a struggle just to keep the kids' attention. I don't remember whether or not they did this sort of thing when I was little. I suspect not. I think they just loaded our plates with whatever they thought we should eat, until we got old enough to navigate the buffet on our own.
But I could be wrong.
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^^^My kids grew up with me quoting this from Caddyshack at restaurants and such like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6l1QljpMo
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The very worst I ever saw was what was probably the new girl working at a daycare. 10 or so ~4 year olds at a subway each ordering their own sandwich during the lunch hour. I saw what was going on, turned around and went somewhere else. Epic chaos.
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McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60. Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
I remember those prices. Going to McDonalds on 122nd Ave. in Portland was a night out for our family back then. My siblings and I thought it was something special.
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I remember those prices. Going to McDonalds on 122nd Ave. in Portland was a night out for our family back then. My siblings and I thought it was something special.
It was a good night, when Dad would take us through the McD's drive-through for ice cream cones. I remember when the price went up from 15 cents to 17.
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McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60. Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
I remember those prices. Going to McDonalds on 122nd Ave. in Portland was a night out for our family back then. My siblings and I thought it was something special.
McDonald's radio ad slogan when I was in high school was "Forty-five cents for a three-course meal? Sounds to me like that's a steal.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAT McDonald's."
The "three-course meal" was a burger, fries, and small shake.
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My sister lets her herd (all ten of them) not only order as they wish, she aids and abets the chaos by by going through the "Would like? Well, what about?" routine with... each... and... every.... child..... and...... food....... option. Mealtime with them makes you understand what being on the Titanic probably felt like.
Brad
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I remember those prices. Going to McDonalds on 122nd Ave. in Portland was a night out for our family back then. My siblings and I thought it was something special.
I think the furthest back I can remember is the 25 cent hamburger. I'm sure I had some at the cheaper prices when I was a wee lad and we went through the drive-thru on the weekly "family Sunday drive". The other popular place during the days of the Sunday drive was the Foster's Freeze for ice cream cones.
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My sister lets her herd (all ten of them) not only order as they wish, she aids and abets the chaos by by going through the "Would like? Well, what about?" routine with... each... and... every.... child..... and...... food....... option. Mealtime with them makes you understand what being on the Titanic probably felt like.
Brad
Oh hell *expletive deleted*ing no...
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My sister lets her herd (all ten of them) not only order as they wish, she aids and abets the chaos by by going through the "Would like? Well, what about?" routine with... each... and... every.... child..... and...... food....... option. Mealtime with them makes you understand what being on the Titanic probably felt like.
Brad
I fear being behind that would damage my calm.
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I fear being behind that would damage my calm.
Yes. Yes it does.
Brad
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I think the furthest back I can remember is the 25 cent hamburger. I'm sure I had some at the cheaper prices when I was a wee lad and we went through the drive-thru on the weekly "family Sunday drive". The other popular place during the days of the Sunday drive was the Foster's Freeze for ice cream cones.
Cheapest regular prices I remember is .45 hamburgers and .55 cheeseburgers. I recall $1.20 Big Macs.
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My sister lets her herd (all ten of them) not only order as they wish, she aids and abets the chaos by by going through the "Would like? Well, what about?" routine with... each... and... every.... child..... and...... food....... option. Mealtime with them makes you understand what being on the Titanic probably felt like.
Brad
When did this start happening? As a kid in that situation I don't remember being given much of a choice. Hamburger or cheeseburger was about it. In a sit down restaurant I was allowed to peruse the kid menu but if I didn't choose quickly the decision was made for me.
With my own kids they had to tell us what they wanted before we went into the fast food place. That way we could put the order in while they had a seat. Fortunately for one of them it was chicken nuggets or strips every time so that was easy. And, surprise, we still do it this way even though they are both capable of doing it themselves. We find it still saves time and hassle.
For drive-thrus we sorted it out before we got into the lane. And only the driver spoke during the order giving. No shouting from the back seat, no adding on. The only exception was if the orderer forgot something.
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Obvious question is why would a vegan go to MD in the first place?
FWIW McD's is popular in India, obviously not supposed to have beef on the menu though. I ate in one in India. The fries were like here in the US. The veggie burger actually wasn't terrible. Had a decent texture and flavor though it obviously wasn't a beef patty.
On the other hand one of the best steaks I ever had was in India, but it involved a lot of whispering when they offered it to me at the 5 star restaurant in a hotel catering to westerners.
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FWIW McD's is popular in India, obviously not supposed to have beef on the menu though. I ate in one in India. The fries were like here in the US. The veggie burger actually wasn't terrible. Had a decent texture and flavor though it obviously wasn't a beef patty.
On the other hand one of the best steaks I ever had was in India, but it involved a lot of whispering when they offered it to me at the 5 star restaurant in a hotel catering to westerners.
You do realize the cow that steak was cut from was somebody's relative right?
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You do realize the cow that steak was cut from was somebody's relative right?
That isn't really what Hindus believe ...
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McDonalds showed up in my neighborhood around 1959 or 60. Fries were a dime and a burger was 15 cents.
I remember the commercials where you could fries, a burger and a drink and get change back for a dollar.
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On the other hand one of the best steaks I ever had was in India, but it involved a lot of whispering when they offered it to me at the 5 star restaurant in a hotel catering to westerners.
Of course it was damned good, you were eating a higher life form.
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On the ordering, my grandfather firmly believed the value meal system to be a total sham. Saying you wanted a number three got you the lecture and you had to repeat that you wanted a quarter pounder with cheese, a medium fry, and a medium coke. This, this he was happy to order for you.
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I remember 19¢ leaded gasoline. :old: I have no idea what McDonald's cost back then; I'm not sure we even had a Dairy Queen yet.
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Mickey D lost me years ago. I'll stop at Hardees every time.
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They hadn't filled their daily quota of "offended" and/or "faux outrage" yet?
Nah, they can get that here...
HOW DARE MICKEY D'S CATER TO A SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION AT THE EXPENSE OF ME????
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IMO, joints like McDonalds, BK, etc. shouldn't even do the special order burgers. The whole point of going to them, vs a better place, is getting in and getting out. Don't want something on your burger? Take it off yourself. A guy I knew used to always do a special order with the rationale that it would get him a "fresh" burger vs one that was sitting under the heat lamp.
Part of the problem with McD level places is, I think, training, incentivizing, and the actual assembly line. At McDs, you have one person both taking orders and taking money. I can sometimes see why I get a regular coke instead of diet when I'm paying and the cashier is both counting my money and taking an order at the same time (especially a custom order).
Places like In N Out, Five Guys, etc. can do efficient and fast "custom orders" because of how they make their burgers, as well as the infrastructure of the assembly line. At In N Out, you have one person taking carside orders and another at the cashier booth. Both of them verbally confirm your order (as does the person at the pickup window, before they hand you your food).
They also seem to be able to incentivize their employees. It always impresses me that when at the cashier booth at In N Out, if the line is such that the cashier doesn't have cashier duties, I see them jump up and do other work until the line moves forward. These are almost always High School kids, and I find their motivation impressive. At McDonalds, the cashier just sits and waits until the next person pulls up.
So, you're saying that the business model that has worked well for Wendy's and Burger King, allowing people to actually CHOOSE what they're paying for, doesn't actually work?
Yeah.
And I'm not sure where you go to McD's, but at the ones that I frequent the drive-through cashier pulls drinks, and helps with the fryer.
The only dedicated people at McD's are the people who are making the sammiches. Everyone else works multiple positions depending on what order they've taken and how busy it is.
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Mickey D lost me years ago. I'll stop at Hardees every time.
Hardees no longer exist in this corner of Paradise. Arby's are also mostly (if not all) gone. I guess Roy Rogers all disappeared some years back. Gino's, of course, disappeared many years ago. We have McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's from the old-line chains. I think there might now be one or two Sonics in the state, and 5 Guys now has a few locations. I stopped at one several months ago and the line was long enough that there was no way I was waiting that long to pay their prices for a hamburger.
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I would imagine those things get pretty septic, especially half-way through a lunch rush. Besides, it would be at least twice as bad as jockeying for your preferred nozzle at the self-serve soda fountain.
We had a couple of quick-service burger places around here that have tried them. One place gave up on the concept, and I'm not sure about the other one.
Since McDonalds, et al, already have ketchup and mustard packets, they could perhaps just let people add those themselves.
Many McDonald's have gone to self-service drinks stations.
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Hardees no longer exist in this corner of Paradise. Arby's are also mostly (if not all) gone. I guess Roy Rogers all disappeared some years back. Gino's, of course, disappeared many years ago. We have McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's from the old-line chains. I think there might now be one or two Sonics in the state, and 5 Guys now has a few locations. I stopped at one several months ago and the line was long enough that there was no way I was waiting that long to pay their prices for a hamburger.
Hardee's are largely gone from Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virginia. There are a very few independent Roy Rogers left. Arby's is still around here, but I never cared for their food much at all.
There was a Sonic in central Pennsylvania where I could get to it, but it crashed and burned years ago and I simply wasn't impressed with it. There are a few in Central PA, but they're not worth the effort to get to.
I have NEVER been impressed with 5 Guys. I simply don't see the appeal. The burgers are largely tasteless and the fries are meh.
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So, you're saying that the business model that has worked well for Wendy's and Burger King, allowing people to actually CHOOSE what they're paying for, doesn't actually work?
Yeah.
No, I said that a lot of people choose McD's specifically because they want to get in and out fast. Not because of the quality of the food or being able to customize orders.
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On point to, often it's just that that they are morons. I got a chicken sammich at McDonalds. I didn't ask for anything special. When I got home and pulled it out....there was no chicken on the chicken sammich. When you can't be bothered to put the chicken on the chicken sammich you aren't confused, you're a worthless moron.
I ordered a chicken sandwich a few weeks ago. They kept trying to give me a Quarter Pounder. The manager told me "it's a chicken sandwhich, but in the wrong box."
I opened the box, and it was a 1/8th pounder/chicken sandwich.
Yep, 1 burger patty and a chicken breast.
The manager gave me a coupon for a comp sandwich, which I still need to use.
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"IMO, joints like McDonalds, BK, etc. shouldn't even do the special order burgers."
That's what you said. That's pretty plain on its face that you think every burger joint should be the cattle call, you take what you're given. No choice, just get in, order off the menu, and GTFO.
That's how McDonald's operated for decades. If you asked for a burger without onions, you were told to scrape them off yourself. And that's what led, in part, to the rise of Burger King and Wendy's as serious competitors to MD's.
Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special orders, don't upset us... Remember that jingle? BKs way of saying FU MickeyD's!
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I think every fast food burger joint should be a cattle call.
Places like In N Out, Five Guys, etc. can do efficient and fast "custom orders" because of how they make their burgers, as well as the infrastructure of the assembly line.
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I think every fast food burger joint should be a cattle call.
So start your own fast food joint.
As people walk in you can toss them a random sack of something, charge them something, and they're out in 20 seconds.
Call it FU Burger.
The Woot of the fast food industry.
God forbid people actually have an expectation for something a little more... appealing.
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Any place that doesn't allow custom orders will never see business from me. Because *expletive deleted*ck that *expletive deleted*it, I ain't scrapping pickles and onions off my burger.
The problem with McDonalds is not special orders (unless Brad's sister is in the house) it's the quality of staff (or lack thereof)
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Any place that doesn't allow custom orders will never see business from me. Because *expletive deleted*ck that *expletive deleted*it, I ain't scrapping pickles and onions off my burger.
The problem with McDonalds is not special orders (unless Brad's sister is in the house) it's the quality of staff (or lack thereof)
It is the management or more precisely the management system that McDs trains to. The only stores that i have seen that run correctly are ones where the manager is a total jerk to the employees. Which gets the floors cleaned and the orders out but does not inspire confidence in longer term issues. If i guessed I'd say it is an over-reliance on metrics. The managers are so hen-pecked by off-site managers and store numbers that the only ones who stay in the job are the incompetent. Too much effort went into making a system like it didn't need people.
Then there is the issue of getting what we expect/deserve. I walked into a Wendy's in Rhodes, Greece and was shocked. The food was good, the restaurant spotless and locally styled with a nice open air part. An employee polished the floor after we walked in. Not mopped, got down with a new rag and hand-wiped the foot prints. I felt bad about walking in there almost. I'm sure part of that was the reverence of Americana, but you sure don't get that service in Richmond, VA.
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So start your own fast food joint.
As people walk in you can toss them a random sack of something, charge them something, and they're out in 20 seconds.
Call it FU Burger.
The Woot of the fast food industry.
God forbid people actually have an expectation for something a little more... appealing.
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So start your own fast food joint.
As people walk in you can toss them a random sack of something, charge them something, and they're out in 20 seconds.
Call it FU Burger.
The Woot of the fast food industry.
God forbid people actually have an expectation for something a little more... appealing.
Great news Mike! There is a 99.5% probability that my OPINION on the Internet will never intersect with your OPINION on the Internet in the same line at the same fast food joint. So while I continue to tell people like you to hurry the hell up with their orders, you can continue to tell people like me to take a breath and wait our turn.
Further good news! Me and the dog just had a delicious breakfast of bacon and freshly laid eggs out on the porch, and in a few hours I'll be sitting in my rocking chair, listening to opera, and drinking a glass of whiskey, because that's what's important to me and makes me happy. Much more happy than than opinions on the Internet. :)
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Orrr.... Dick's Last Resort is a small bar and restaurant chain in the United States, known for its intentional employment of an obnoxious staff. ...
Heh, I was at the one in San Antonio many years ago. Don't know if it's still there, but it was a hoot. :laugh:
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Heh, I was at the one in San Antonio many years ago. Don't know if it's still there, but it was a hoot. :laugh:
I've never gone. I fear I would overwhelm them with my targetness. :lol:
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Dammit.
Now I'm hungry.
Dammit.
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I ordered a chicken sandwich a few weeks ago. They kept trying to give me a Quarter Pounder. The manager told me "it's a chicken sandwhich, but in the wrong box."
I opened the box, and it was a 1/8th pounder/chicken sandwich.
Yep, 1 burger patty and a chicken breast.
The manager gave me a coupon for a comp sandwich, which I still need to use.
So that's where my chicken went.
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Hardee's are largely gone from Pennsylvania, Maryland and Northern Virginia.
Fixed that for you. They're all over the place in South, Central, and SW VA.
Chris
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Many McDonald's have gone to self-service drinks stations.
I know. I was talking about a self-serve toppings bar for burgers and such. I could see that being a real bottleneck, and a germ-ridden one at that, at a fast-food place.
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I know. I was talking about a self-serve toppings bar for burgers and such. I could see that being a real bottleneck, and a germ-ridden one at that, at a fast-food place.
The world is a germ-ridden place. Probably more germs on the door to your place of employment then you will get in a sandwich topping bar.
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The world is a germ-ridden place.
Yes, charb; that's why we try to limit our exposure.
Probably more germs on the door to your place of employment then you will get in a sandwich topping bar.
Tip: Food goes in the mouth. Doors do not. Hope that helps. =)
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Yes, charb; that's why we try to limit our exposure.
Tip: Food goes in the mouth. Doors do not. Hope that helps. =)
Yes, but your hands touch things that go in your mouth. Of course your hands touched the door at one time.
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Yes, but your hands touch things that go in your mouth. Of course your hands touched the door at one time.
Didn't your mother teach you to wash your hands before lunch? I don't think you need to be so worried about the germs, charby. Just do the best you can, and you'll probably be fine.
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Didn't your mother teach you to wash your hands before lunch? I don't think you need to be so worried about the germs, charby. Just do the best you can, and you'll probably be fine.
I don't worry about germs, but you sure do.
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"Great news Mike! There is a 99.5% probability that my OPINION on the Internet will never intersect with your OPINION on the Internet in the same line at the same fast food joint. So while I continue to tell people like you to hurry the hell up with their orders, you can continue to tell people like me to take a breath and wait our turn."
God I so want to be in front of you in a restaurant, some day...
Yeah... er... uhm... who makes your bread? Do you make it on site, do you source it locally, or is it made in a big plant somewhere and then shipped half way across the country? Can I get an artisinal bun hand made by Amish bakers? Do you have organic onions? No, I don't want onions on my burger, I don't like onions, I just really want to know if you have organic onions...
"Further good news! Me and the dog just had a delicious breakfast of bacon and freshly laid eggs out on the porch, and in a few hours I'll be sitting in my rocking chair, listening to opera, and drinking a glass of whiskey, because that's what's important to me and makes me happy. Much more happy than than opinions on the Internet."
You have an opinion? Sounded more like a crotchety old man bitch to me...
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"Great news Mike! There is a 99.5% probability that my OPINION on the Internet will never intersect with your OPINION on the Internet in the same line at the same fast food joint. So while I continue to tell people like you to hurry the hell up with their orders, you can continue to tell people like me to take a breath and wait our turn."
God I so want to be in front of you in a restaurant, some day...
Yeah... er... uhm... who makes your bread? Do you make it on site, do you source it locally, or is it made in a big plant somewhere and then shipped half way across the country? Can I get an artisinal bun hand made by Amish bakers? Do you have organic onions? No, I don't want onions on my burger, I don't like onions, I just really want to know if you have organic onions...
That would be awesome. If it happens, I'll record it on my phone and put it on youtube.
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Fixed that for you. They're all over the place in South, Central, and SW VA.
Chris
Ah, I didn't know that. Still not driving to hell and back for their roast beef.
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I know. I was talking about a self-serve toppings bar for burgers and such. I could see that being a real bottleneck, and a germ-ridden one at that, at a fast-food place.
No different than a salad bar at a restaurant, really.
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I don't worry about germs, but you sure do.
Well, if you really want to do this, then fine. What convinces you that I'm too worried about germs, and why does it matter so much to you?
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No different than a salad bar at a restaurant, really.
Except that it's at McDonald's.
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So start your own fast food joint.
As people walk in you can toss them a random sack of something, charge them something, and they're out in 20 seconds.
Call it FU Burger.
The Woot of the fast food industry.
God forbid people actually have an expectation for something a little more... appealing.
Call it H&K Burgers.
And I find it funny as hell anyone would expect to get something "Appealing" at some fast food puke factory like McDs and the like.
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Hardee's is now Carl's Jr in some locations.
Whenever I go to a "fast" food joint I'm not going for the food usually, it is the convenience that usually draws me in.
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Call it H&K Burgers.
And I find it funny as hell anyone would expect to get something "Appealing" at some fast food puke factory like McDs and the like.
Their chicken sandwiches aren't bad.
And their Fillet O'Fish is absolutely *expletive deleted*ing awesome. Always has been.
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Except that it's at McDonald's.
OK.....
Wendy's had salad bars for years...
I THINK that McDonald's experimented with salad bars in a very limited fashion...
Not sure why you think things would be cleaner at restaurant A as opposed to restaurant B.
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As noted, McDonald's simply isn't good enough for what it costs. With care, it doesn't cost all that much more to go to a place like Cracker Barrel rather than put up with McDonald's.
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Must have missed out on the plan to put a Cracker Barrel next to every McDonald's.
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OK.....
Wendy's had salad bars for years...
I THINK that McDonald's experimented with salad bars in a very limited fashion...
Not sure why you think things would be cleaner at restaurant A as opposed to restaurant B.
Sounds like a you problem. =)
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Just remember...
No matter what you do, no matter where you go, no matter how long you soak in bleach...
One of these is out there, waiting for you...
http://www.foodsafety.gov/poisoning/causes/bacteriaviruses/staphylococcus/
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As noted, McDonald's simply isn't good enough for what it costs. With care, it doesn't cost all that much more to go to a place like Cracker Barrel rather than put up with McDonald's.
Time. It takes much more time to go to CB and grab lunch. If it was only about money, I'd probably never eat fast food again.
Chris
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I also see this at potluck-type events, with small children. Mom or Dad has to ask Jimmy and Susie exactly what they want, and it's often a struggle just to keep the kids' attention.
Mine get a three count; if they don't answer in three seconds, then I pick.
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At one time McDonalds had a MDLT or something like that. It came with two side, one with meat and bread and one with all the other stuff. I liked it as I could easily take off the stuff I didn't want without going to the trouble of a special order.
I think where many of them are going is to just have someone building burgers to order. They just have a big steaming bin full of patties, a bin for buns, and others with other stuff and they just build them as they are ordered. Which means nothing is exactly fresh. I see them doing this already for breakfast sandwiches.
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Hell even some of your nicer sit down places can't get stuff right and have sucky burgers. Last time I went to Applebee's the burger was dry and unflavorful. Of course the only reason I was there was to use a gift card given to us for Christmas.
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McDonald's, is well McDonald's. It's not world class dining, it is fast food.
It will never be better tasting than the upscale chains but it is a lot cheaper also.
That being said it is really hard to beat a burger at one of those mom and pop greasy spoons.
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McDonald's, is well McDonald's. It's not world class dining, it is fast food.
It will never be better tasting than the upscale chains but it is a lot cheaper also.
That being said it is really hard to beat a burger at one of those mom and pop greasy spoons.
Have a place here in Tulsa that matches that description, Hank's, don't get there enough.
Of course nothing beats grilling a burger or other meat over coals in your own backyard.
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Have a place here in Tulsa that matches that description, Hank's, don't get there enough.
Of course nothing beats grilling a burger or other meat over coals in your own backyard.
My folks lived in Tulsa for a while, there was diner on old US 66 that had amazing burgers (and chicken fried steak).
I wish I could remember the name of the place.
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I think where many of them are going is to just have someone building burgers to order. They just have a big steaming bin full of patties, a bin for buns, and others with other stuff and they just build them as they are ordered. Which means nothing is exactly fresh. I see them doing this already for breakfast sandwiches.
Wendy's has been doing exactly that for decades. And unless they've radically changed in the past couple of years, the patties don't sit around for more than a few minutes once they leave the grill.
Wendy's is about as close as you can get to cooked to order.
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My folks lived in Tulsa for a while, there was diner on old US 66 that had amazing burgers (and chicken fried steak).
I wish I could remember the name of the place.
Could be a couple of different places. There are several of those around. Just have to depend on how long ago and a general location.
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Could be a couple of different places. There are several of those around. Just have to depend on how long ago and a general location.
Not far from the Frank Lloyd Wright church.
I think it was Tally's Cafe
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Tally's is still there but IMHO not that great of a place. They might have been at one time but the two times I've been there, after 9 in the evening, they had a problem serving us, a "party" of close to 30 probably, but called in ahead and they were well aware of us coming. Slow service and the food I had wasn't all that great.
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Tally's is still there but IMHO not that great of a place. They might have been at one time but the two times I've been there, after 9 in the evening, they had a problem serving us, a "party" of close to 30 probably, but called in ahead and they were well aware of us coming. Slow service and the food I had wasn't all that great.
It was 10 years ago.
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Time. It takes much more time to go to CB and grab lunch. If it was only about money, I'd probably never eat fast food again.
Chris
This
Not far from the Frank Lloyd Wright church.
I think it was Tally's Cafe
I like FLW's work, but worshiping him as a deity is going a bit far.
When I get food for the kiddos, I set it up before we get in line to minimize the interaction. If they give me any guff, I order them both bog-standard cheeseburgers or chicken sandwiches. They are learning.
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I like FLW's work, but worshiping him as a deity is going a bit far.
smartass... There is a church in Tulsa that he designed.
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It was 10 years ago.
Yeah, I've been here in Tulsa since 98 but only the past couple of years that I have eaten there.
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That being said it is really hard to beat a burger at one of those mom and pop greasy spoons.
Had a burger at a place like that tonight. Huffy's in Granite Falls, NC. Not a 'greasy spoon' in the true sense of the word; more like a good little diner. Great basic burgers, frozen, crinkle cut fries out of a bag cooked properly so they are decently crunchy, and good ice cream for dessert. All for a reasonable price.
Beats the heck out of McD's and most of the other chains.
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I tried a new place this afternoon. Not all that new -- it's been open for almost a year. Wayback Burgers/ Anybody ever hear of them? I hadn't, but it looks like it's national or at least regional franchise operation.
http://waybackburgers.com/
I just had a Classic (double) burger. It seemed fresh, it was well-cooked yet still slightly juicy, bun was fresh and soft. The burger and a small soda cost about $1 more than a Big Mac and a senior soda at McDonalds. I may have to go back.
And they have hot dogs. If those are good -- I may have found a new burger joint.
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Not far from the Frank Lloyd Wright church.
I think it was Tally's Cafe
I've had breakfast there a few times. Pretty good.
Wmenorr67, have you been up to Claremore and gone to Hugo's. Great food, great service, huge portions, low prices. It is absolutely the only place I will wait for a table if they are busy. We only go a few times a year, can't afford the cholesterol hit.
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I've had breakfast there a few times. Pretty good.
Wmenorr67, have you been up to Claremore and gone to Hugo's. Great food, great service, huge portions, low prices. It is absolutely the only place I will wait for a table if they are busy. We only go a few times a year, can't afford the cholesterol hit.
Never heard of it but will have to try it out.
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Hugo's is legendary quality. Make the effort. They are only open for breakfast and lunch. An order with bacon comes with pretty much a lb (precooked) of bacon.
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We have a Greek-owned family diner near me.
The burgers are OK, the hot beef and turkey sandwiches with gravy are ok, but the real star?
The mousakka. It's absolutely awesome.
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Hell even some of your nicer sit down places can't get stuff right and have sucky burgers. Last time I went to Applebee's the burger was dry and unflavorful. Of course the only reason I was there was to use a gift card given to us for Christmas.
I always liked Applebee's, been eating in them since the early 1990s. But over the last 5 years or so, I've seen a decided drop in quality in a lot of their stuff.
There used to be one very close to my house, but it folded rather quickly. Strange given its location.
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My favorite go to craving is the pretzel sticks and beer cheese dip at TGIFriday's.
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We have a Greek-owned family diner near me.
The burgers are OK, the hot beef and turkey sandwiches with gravy are ok, but the real star?
The mousakka. It's absolutely awesome.
Greek food. Yum.
My favorite Greek cafe in all the world closed last year. It is located near family I visit. I walked up to the storefront and realized it was out of business. Sad times.
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I walked up to the storefront and realized it was out of business. Sad times.
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"What about the steaks that were in there when they closed? Do you think they got eaten?"
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"No burger for you! Next!"
Kids (actually grown) took me to a cowboy restaurant once. I knew if you wore a necktie in there, they'd cut it off and hang it on one of their walls as a "trophy."
So I wore a tie.
"Pop, you know they cut off your tie in there? The waitresses even have scissors in their aprons."
"Yep. I know. Cheap old tie, don't worry about it," I said.
But I had a length of ~18 ga steel stovepipe wire stuck in there.
What fun !
After the waitress struggled to cut though the wire in the middle of the tie for a bit, she caught on, and I finally pulled out the wire so they could have their trophy. We all had a good laugh over that one.
Cheap Tie Terry, 230RN