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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: jim in anchorage on May 19, 2015, 09:14:39 PM
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You might want to read this http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-dog-mauling-sentence-20141004-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-dog-mauling-sentence-20141004-story.html)
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Any largish dog can do that. That case is more an issue of an asshat that didn't control his dogs than any particular breed. Yeah, pits are more likely than some breeds, but only because of how so many are raised and treated.
Note: I'm not a pit bull owner, and probably won't ever own one.
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Some negligent jackass let his pets kill a woman? What does that have to do with people who own pitbulls?
My AR hasn't ran off and shot up any movie theaters or schools, should I be worried about it? ;/
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Any largish dog can do that. That case is more an issue of an asshat that didn't control his dogs than any particular breed. Yeah, pits are more likely than some breeds, but only because of how so many are raised and treated.
Note: I'm not a pit bull owner, and probably won't ever own one.
I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
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Some negligent jackass let his pets kill a woman? What does that have to do with people who own pitbulls?
My AR hasn't ran off and shot up any movie theaters or schools, should I be worried about it? ;/
Can your AR hop a fence? Wander down the street looking to kill? Really poor analogy.
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Can your AR hop a fence? Wander down the street looking to kill? Really poor analogy.
My Hereford hasn't done any of that, though perfectly capable.
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My Hereford hasn't done any of that, though perfectly capable.
Can we keep this serous?
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Pit bulls can potentially do more damage when they bite than many dog breeds. But their probability of biting is directly correlated to how they are raised and treated. Remove thug owned dogs from the calculations and pit bulls are not remarkably more likely to bite than many other breeds that are considered far less scary. The problem is asshats that own dogs (yes, including but not limited to pit bulls), not the breed itself.
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
Ever had a saint bernard go postal?
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Can we keep this serous?
It might be more fun to keep it "Sirius"
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I would be a "pit bull lover" but Rottweilers are better kissers! >:D
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
I beg your pardon?
http://www.vetstreet.com/dogs/american-staffordshire-terrier-american-pit-bull-terrier
I would have agreed with you if you had said that many owners train them to be both dog- and human-aggressive, or that many owners provide no training or discipline.
Have you looked at how many maulings are committed by Yellow Labs? That fuzzy lump is responsible for more bites per capita than pits.
As for the specific idjit in question - I have a feeling the sentencing guidelines are what puts the low end on the time he was sentenced to.
stay safe.
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Can we keep this serous?
No. Because people like you will be my headache the next time someone's ill treated Labrador mauls a busload of preschoolers. Vilifying the breed is bloody ignorant.
Take this to facebook if you're after a bunch of retards to validate you.
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
Are you serious or ignorant? A st bernard is a molossus type dog descended from the roman war dogs. One of them could literally dismember you. They are bigger and stronger than any pit bull by a factor of two or more. Molossus type dogs have also been trained to guard and kill over the years.
The lesson is that any large predator can potentially kill or maim a human. And if people are going to keep them they-people and animals-need to be properly trained.
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No. Because people like you will be my headache the next time someone's ill treated Labrador mauls a busload of preschoolers. Vilifying the breed is bloody ignorant.
So you feel a rattle snake is no more dangerous then a garden snake? It all depends on the owner?
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
Also their wagging tales can inflict pain and frequently they will pin you to the couch as they like to cuddle.
On a side note, a high school buddies family had two Great Danes they used to let run free in their yard and adjacent woods. One time the dogs came back to the house with a bloody deer leg! They weren't very friendly dogs, I never cared much for them.
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So you feel a rattle snake is no more dangerous then a garden snake? It all depends on the owner?
We're into venomous canine territory now?
Please.
Are you trying to get curbstomped by the legions of common sense?
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Can we keep this serous?
Nope. This is APS. Thread veer is mandatory.
Brad
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No. Because people like you will be my headache the next time someone's ill treated Labrador mauls a busload of preschoolers. Vilifying the breed is bloody ignorant.
Take this to facebook if you're after a bunch of retards to validate you.
Yah I see labs do this all the time http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html (http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html)
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Yah I see labs do this all the time http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html (http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html)
Again, take it to Facebook if you want validation. That's the only source of concentrated stupid that will get you the answer you seem to want.
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Also their wagging tales can inflict pain and frequently they will pin you to the couch as they like to cuddle.
On a side note, a high school buddies family had two Great Danes they used to let run free in their yard and adjacent woods. One time the dogs came back to the house with a bloody deer leg! They weren't very friendly dogs, I never cared much for them.
In your Disney world they like to cuddle. In real life they are inbred killers.
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Jim, I gotta think you've had some real-life event that's affected your rationality. You okay?
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In your Disney world they like to cuddle. In real life they are inbred killers.
:rofl:
My best friend has had pits since 1982, four dogs over the years.
My sister and her pit lived here with me for years.
Pit Bulls raised as family dogs love to cuddle. In fact even sitting next to you they will lean in hard against your leg or plop their head in your lap.
They are dogs, really freaking strong and powerful dogs. Bad owners often make bad dogs and sometimes a dog is just bad, regardless of breed.
Stop it, you're just embarrassing yourself.
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
You are massively ignorant on this subject.
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Yah I see labs do this all the time http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html (http://news.yahoo.com/100-million-symbolic-judgment-entered-dog-attack-case-171916419.html)
http://www.wfla.com/story/25359134/girl-recovering-from-dog-mauling
http://www.kesq.com/news/oneyearold-boy-mauled-by-lab-mix-in-riverside-county/29748074
http://www.inquisitr.com/1636642/an-idaho-pit-bull-named-massey-is-attacked-by-labrador-retriever-reports-say/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/lake-worth/5-year-old-bitten-by-labrador-recovering-says-her-pit-bull-saved-her-from-being-seriously-injured
http://www.examiner.com/article/child-attacked-by-dog-latest-incident-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-pit-bulls
Three seconds of googling dude. The really fun ones are the stories where the initial report is "zomg ebil pit bullz!!!!!!" and foolish emotional people hold it up as a reason to go on a pit bull jihad, but then whoops looks like it was actually a labrador! and suddenly it's an isolated incident that has no bearing on the breed as a whole.
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OK so pit bulls are just harmless gentle animals. It's just " bad owners" that are the problem. Why do so many pit bull owners seem to be "bad owners?" Maybe they get there rocks off because they own a mean animal bred to kill?
Odd so few German Shepard owners are "bad owners"
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OK so pit bulls are just harmless gentle animals. It's just " bad owners" that are the problem. Why do so many pit bull owners seem to be "bad owners?" Maybe they get there rocks off because they own a mean animal bred to kill?
Odd so few German Shepard owners are "bad owners"
Bad owners are attracted to the press image. I remember in the 80's it was Rottweiler's that were ZOMG'd by the press. My dad tells me in the 70's it was Dobermans, and in the 50's it was Shepherds.
Shepherds, etc are VERY well represented in this non-exhaustive list of fatal dog attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
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First, if you want to be accurate, ALL terriers were designed to kill. Some for rats, some for foxes, some for other dogs. Modern life and selective breeding has dulled the instinct in most lines though. I haven't met too many Daschunds lately that are capable of taking on a badger in its own hole. You do know that St Bernards are consistently on the top ten "deadliest" dogs list right? They're large, extremely powerful dogs that are more then capable of delimbing you. I'd say a full grown Bernie has a much better chance of doing that then my 43# Stafford. Sure, there are lots and lots of stories about pit bull attacks; mainly, because it makes for a sensational story. Pit Bull Attacks Honor Student sells more papers then Jack ass Kid Hops Someone Else's Fence, Gets Chomped by Lab/Vizsla mix
Fully half of the scraps my last dog got in were with intact, male Labs. People buy them thinking that they're great with kids and other dogs automatically. Then they don't socialize or train them. ALL dogs need socialization. My Corso (a very large headed, big, muscley, scary breed) had his CGC, TDI, and TT certificates. My Stafford will likely never test for any of them. Is it because he's too dangerous to take out in public? No, its because he's too overcome with joy at meeting every stranger he sees to stay sitting without a leash on for more then a few seconds. Its embarrassing at times. Bull breeds are the AR-15 of the dog world. There are more of them then pretty much anything else, and they're usually demonized more because of how they look then any for any other reason.
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I had no idea Mike Vick and his dog fight buddy's posted here. Why do you think they call them pit bulls? Maybe because they where breed to fight in pits? To the death? Yeah just regular dogs.
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I had no idea Mike Vick and his dog fight buddy's posted here. Why do you think they call them pit bulls? Maybe because they where breed to fight in pits? To the death? Yeah just regular dogs.
A small amount of research would correct that. http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html
Rather than creating a yappy little version of Winston Churchill (who had not been invented yet) nipping at the heels of large bovines, folks took a dog with a long history of certain behavioral traits and turned them to a utilitarian purpose. Then
Sadly, the Romans would not be the last to use pit bulls in cruel and grisly blood sports. When the Normans invaded England in 1066, they introduced a new sport called baiting. Interestingly enough, baiting originated with butchers who kept dogs (called Bullenbeissers) to handle unruly bulls as they were herded to the market for slaughter. When a bull stepped out of line or exhibited uncontrollable behavior, the dogs would clamp down on its nose and simply hang on until the handler could regain control of the wayward animal.
Like most dog owners, the butchers were proud of their canine companions and their stubborn tenacity in dealing with the much larger, and potentially dangerous bulls. Consequently, public displays were arranged to showcase the dogs' abilities and, quite frankly, to appease the multitudes that attended baiting events for their entertainment value.
So in response to the almighty Pound Sterling and man's apparently inate inability to leave well enough alone they took a dog and turned it into a blood sport plaything. And still today those who fight dogs are saddled with both having to selectively breed for a trait but to actually spend time, effort, and money training their dogs how to fight. And in spite of that
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/michael-vick-dogs-vicktory_n_5119150.html
http://moderndogmagazine.com/gallery/where-former-michael-vick-dogs-are-now
http://parade.com/48473/jimgorant/15-vicks-dogs/
stay safe.
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Somebody brought a pit bull into my cousin's trailer park. It detonated, killing 27people.
My cousin's meth lab was destroyed in the explosion.
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Somebody brought a pit bull into my cousin's trailer park. It detonated, killing 27people.
My cousin's meth lab was destroyed in the explosion.
You're just trying to win an award with that, aren't you?
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In the early 1900's here in the states pit bulls were popular dog for dogfighting hence the name ascribed to an Americanized bull terrier.
Generally there were at least two humans and two dogs in the "pit" during the fight. The owners and the fighting dogs. Sometimes there was also a third human like a referee. Dogs that showed aggressiveness toward humans were considered poor dogs for fighting. You couldn't have a dog that was aggressive with humans in combat around handlers in the pit. There used to be a whole structure of rules around the endeavor. Both to protect humans and the dogs.
Pit fighting dogs have actually had decades of breeding non aggressive behavior toward humans bred into them. I realize some idiots are trying to breed that out or use other methods to make them aggressive towards humans.
For the record I abhor dog fighting and think that most of what we see out there that are called Pit Bulls are probably poorly bred dogs.
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I had no idea Mike Vick and his dog fight buddy's posted here.
Why would anybody want an AR-15? They were just developed to kill lots of people in a short period of time. You can't hunt with one.
The only people who need 10 round magazines are criminals and cops.
All "cop killer" ammo should be banned.
You're sounding like ^ that guy. Media sensationalism and hyperbole do not usually represent actual truth. Unless of course, you're just lobbing a crap grenade then standing back to see what happens.
Just for information's sake, Here are the official standings for the American Temperament Test society:
http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/
You'll notice that every breed associated with being a pit bull performed as well as or better then the German Shepard and Saint Bernard...
Now, chances are that every dog tested is likely to come from a caring home. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have been taken out to be tested in the first place.
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Somebody brought a pit bull into my cousin's trailer park. It detonated, killing 27people.
My cousin's meth lab was destroyed in the explosion.
Heh.
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In the early 1900's here in the states pit bulls were popular dog for dogfighting hence the name ascribed to an Americanized bull terrier.
Generally there were at least two humans and two dogs in the "pit" during the fight. The owners and the fighting dogs. Sometimes there was also a third human like a referee. Dogs that showed aggressiveness toward humans were considered poor dogs for fighting. You couldn't have a dog that was aggressive with humans in combat around handlers in the pit. There used to be a whole structure of rules around the endeavor. Both to protect humans and the dogs.
Pit fighting dogs have actually had decades of breeding non aggressive behavior toward humans bred into them. I realize some idiots are trying to breed that out or use other methods to make them aggressive towards humans.
For the record I abhor dog fighting and think that most of what we see out there that are called Pit Bulls are probably poorly bred dogs.
Our rescue from Tennessee has some of that lineage in her. She's not pure ABPT, too tall, and too long in the muzzle, and does not have that thick "bully stance" to her, but otherwise looks like a "Pitt". We think she might have been an 'oops', not bred true, and used as a bait/training dog. She'd been in rescue for 6 months to deliver and wean a litter of pups she was pregnant with, and still covered in scabs/scars working their way out.
Loves all humans. Useless as a watchdog. All 75 lbs of her will climb into a strangers lap uninvited if they sit down in our house. She's also a bundle of nerves. Even after 6 years in our house, she still shies away every time she comes in and out of a door, terrified of fireworks, thunder etc.
Insanely dog-aggressive. She'll accept puppies, kittens without problem, but any grown dog, it's on. She's only walked on a chest harness with a 250-lbs test leash/strap. The kids all know if she gets loose and is reported for an incident, dog or human, she's done for. She gets the needle, even if the authorities don't demand it.
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Why would anybody want an AR-15? They were just developed to kill lots of people in a short period of time. You can't hunt with one.
The only people who need 10 round magazines are criminals and cops.
All "cop killer" ammo should be banned.
You're sounding like ^ that guy. Media sensationalism and hyperbole do not usually represent actual truth. Unless of course, you're just lobbing a crap grenade then standing back to see what happens.
Just for information's sake, Here are the official standings for the American Temperament Test society:
http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/
You'll notice that every breed associated with being a pit bull performed as well as or better then the German Shepard and Saint Bernard...
Now, chances are that every dog tested is likely to come from a caring home. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have been taken out to be tested in the first place.
I don't get these AR 15 references. Is this supposed to make me anti gun because I think pit bulls are dangerous animals?
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Somebody brought a pit bull into my cousin's trailer park. It detonated, killing 27people.
My cousin's meth lab was destroyed in the explosion.
Here's fistful, attempting the triple lutz of snark
WITH A BACKFLIP TO FINISH!
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I don't get these AR 15 references. Is this supposed to make me anti gun because I think pit bulls are dangerous animals?
I will not get into this argument as others are far more knowledgeable than I. However, I can hopefully make others' arguments clear to you.
They are not saying you are anti-gun because of your opinion of pit bulls.
They are saying your opinion of pit bulls is as uninformed and illogical as anti-gun opinions of the AR-15.
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I will not get into this argument as others are far more knowledgeable than I. However, I can hopefully make others' arguments clear to you.
They are not saying you are anti-gun because of your opinion of pit bulls.
They are saying your opinion of pit bulls is as uninformed and illogical as anti-gun opinions of the AR-15.
In jim's defense, a whole lot of folk have been killed with AR15 pattern rifles since 11SEP2001. LOTS more than typical wood & blued steel bolt action rifles. I can google for articles to support my position.
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My point is that like the AR-15, Bull breeds are about the most popular "model" out there. Both have been vilified by a lazy media looking for sensational headlines. Both are "scary" looking, and have physical traits that make them seem more dangerous then they actually are. Big head, bayonet mount, neither thing actually makes them more likely to hurt someone. When you have a huge number of something, and a very small percentage of them cause harm, its still comes out to a whole number. Most recent stats say that about 1 million dogs are put down in shelters every year. Around 30% of them are Pit or Pit mixes. That's around 300,000 Pits that end up in shelters every year. They only have a 1 in 600 chance of being adopted, so let's say that 100% of Pits that make it to a shelter are put down. Now, what percent of total Pits end up in a shelter? Let's say its 10%. That means there are 3 million Pits in the U.S. In 2014 there were 27 fatal bites by dogs identified as Pit bulls.
http://mprgroup.net/misc/findpit.html
If those numbers are right, that means a Pit Bull has a .0009% chance of killing someone. Let's say a full 50% of Pits end up in a shelter, that means only 600,000 Pits in the country. That gives you a .0045% chance of the dog killing someone. You have a WAY WAY better chance of being killed by your own doctor, or being hit by lightning. You are 24 times more likely to be hit by lightning this year then be killed by a Pit. And please, I'm not trying to be a knob; but the sensationalist media have been on a hard press against these dogs for years. Like people with little interest in guns, the average person only really "knows" what they see on tv or in the papers.
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Loves all humans. Useless as a watchdog. All 75 lbs of her will climb into a strangers lap uninvited if they sit down in our house. She's also a bundle of nerves.
Next door neighbors had a pit bulldog a couple years ago. They chained it outside, and otherwise neglected it terribly. Owners were prone to leave for a couple days at a time. We made sure Bosco had food and water, and a place out of the sun, and untangled the chain when he'd inevitably get wound around the tree. Loved us to pieces.
I suspect Bosco was a disappointment to them.
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Useless as a watchdog.
We had a random mutt ("dog" was about as close as the vet would guess on lineage, and she wouldn't even commit firmly to that) that we thought the same of; his only normal defensive act was to sleep in front of the door, so anyone wanting to enter would have to find a way to move ~120 lbs of hairball out of the way.
Then one day my aunt and uncle were discussing some event they'd been to in the front yard, and he demonstrated how some guy had tried to punch him. That dog launched from snoring to flying instantaneously, cleared about 40 yards of lawn and a low fence maybe touching the ground twice and clamped onto his arm. I really think it went back to sleep right then, too, because it just sort of hung there, not biting in, but just attached until she called it off. After that, we all felt pretty safe with that one around.
It also delayed a full sized pitbull long enough for granddad to go get a shotgun and deal with it. The pit couldn't get through all the hair, and we brushed a few pellets of birdshot out later that hadn't made it all the way to the skin.
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these two video's prove that AR15 bulls are loaded to kill >:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fZGEW8F90
ok, only one but it proves that pit15's are designed to kill and there fore must be taken away from people before they are used as weapons of war that can't be on our streets.
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OK, sorry Jim from Anchorage, you're kinda new here - just so you know- most of us probably love just about all dogs and know its about how dogs are raised.
My friend has a huge great pyrenees - it could probably handle a wolf - its great with people but poorly trained - it loves everybody so much that it can be a pain in the neck because you want to watch TV and it thinks iy needs to be in your lap. I have a friend with a massive pit that's the same way - harmless and loving but so huge it doesn't know why people are so afraid and it is great with kids except its gets so excited that you have to be really strong or love getting knocked over - its full of love but needs training ....
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Our rescue from Tennessee has some of that lineage in her. She's not pure ABPT, too tall, and too long in the muzzle, and does not have that thick "bully stance" to her, but otherwise looks like a "Pitt". We think she might have been an 'oops', not bred true, and used as a bait/training dog. She'd been in rescue for 6 months to deliver and wean a litter of pups she was pregnant with, and still covered in scabs/scars working their way out.
Loves all humans. Useless as a watchdog. All 75 lbs of her will climb into a strangers lap uninvited if they sit down in our house. She's also a bundle of nerves. Even after 6 years in our house, she still shies away every time she comes in and out of a door, terrified of fireworks, thunder etc.
Insanely dog-aggressive. She'll accept puppies, kittens without problem, but any grown dog, it's on. She's only walked on a chest harness with a 250-lbs test leash/strap. The kids all know if she gets loose and is reported for an incident, dog or human, she's done for. She gets the needle, even if the authorities don't demand it.
Yeah, this one:
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:lol:
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What are the numbers for biting and killing for other breeds? Kind of pointless with that comparison. Deaths due to dog attacks are pretty rare considering the numbers.
My point is that like the AR-15, Bull breeds are about the most popular "model" out there. Both have been vilified by a lazy media looking for sensational headlines. Both are "scary" looking, and have physical traits that make them seem more dangerous then they actually are. Big head, bayonet mount, neither thing actually makes them more likely to hurt someone. When you have a huge number of something, and a very small percentage of them cause harm, its still comes out to a whole number. Most recent stats say that about 1 million dogs are put down in shelters every year. Around 30% of them are Pit or Pit mixes. That's around 300,000 Pits that end up in shelters every year. They only have a 1 in 600 chance of being adopted, so let's say that 100% of Pits that make it to a shelter are put down. Now, what percent of total Pits end up in a shelter? Let's say its 10%. That means there are 3 million Pits in the U.S. In 2014 there were 27 fatal bites by dogs identified as Pit bulls.
http://mprgroup.net/misc/findpit.html
If those numbers are right, that means a Pit Bull has a .0009% chance of killing someone. Let's say a full 50% of Pits end up in a shelter, that means only 600,000 Pits in the country. That gives you a .0045% chance of the dog killing someone. You have a WAY WAY better chance of being killed by your own doctor, or being hit by lightning. You are 24 times more likely to be hit by lightning this year then be killed by a Pit. And please, I'm not trying to be a knob; but the sensationalist media have been on a hard press against these dogs for years. Like people with little interest in guns, the average person only really "knows" what they see on tv or in the papers.
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OK, sorry Jim from Anchorage, you're kinda new here - just so you know- most of us probably love just about all dogs and know its about how dogs are raised.
Yeah, he got jumped on pretty hard. We have talked about this before without this sort of reaction.
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We had a random mutt ("dog" was about as close as the vet would guess on lineage, and she wouldn't even commit firmly to that) that we thought the same of; his only normal defensive act was to sleep in front of the door, so anyone wanting to enter would have to find a way to move ~120 lbs of hairball out of the way.
Then one day my aunt and uncle were discussing some event they'd been to in the front yard, and he demonstrated how some guy had tried to punch him. That dog launched from snoring to flying instantaneously, cleared about 40 yards of lawn and a low fence maybe touching the ground twice and clamped onto his arm. I really think it went back to sleep right then, too, because it just sort of hung there, not biting in, but just attached until she called it off. After that, we all felt pretty safe with that one around.
It also delayed a full sized pitbull long enough for granddad to go get a shotgun and deal with it. The pit couldn't get through all the hair, and we brushed a few pellets of birdshot out later that hadn't made it all the way to the skin.
Sounds like a fine dog.
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Yeah, he got jumped on pretty hard. We have talked about this before without this sort of reaction.
Meh. Cluebat is a learning experience. Tough love even.
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Heh. This thread is lulzy
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Yeah, he got jumped on pretty hard. We have talked about this before without this sort of reaction.
Meh. Cluebat is a learning experience. Tough love even.
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Well, that, and because he's been a bit of a prick about it:
I had no idea Mike Vick and his dog fight buddy's posted here. Why do you think they call them pit bulls? Maybe because they where breed to fight in pits? To the death? Yeah just regular dogs.
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Our rescue from Tennessee has some of that lineage in her. She's not pure ABPT, too tall, and too long in the muzzle, and does not have that thick "bully stance" to her, but otherwise looks like a "Pitt". We think she might have been an 'oops', not bred true, and used as a bait/training dog. She'd been in rescue for 6 months to deliver and wean a litter of pups she was pregnant with, and still covered in scabs/scars working their way out.
Loves all humans. Useless as a watchdog. All 75 lbs of her will climb into a strangers lap uninvited if they sit down in our house. She's also a bundle of nerves. Even after 6 years in our house, she still shies away every time she comes in and out of a door, terrified of fireworks, thunder etc.
Insanely dog-aggressive. She'll accept puppies, kittens without problem, but any grown dog, it's on. She's only walked on a chest harness with a 250-lbs test leash/strap. The kids all know if she gets loose and is reported for an incident, dog or human, she's done for. She gets the needle, even if the authorities don't demand it.
My sister's dog is half pit and -- we think -- half retriever, of some kind. Not aggressive, at all. Not towards other dogs, not towards nothin'. Otherwise sounds exactly like your dog, though she's a bit more shy around strangers; she won't cuddle unless you've been around her for a while.
She's not a rescue, though; my sister's had her since she was a puppy.
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I'll remind everyone the middle name of this fora. Let's argue the topic and not the person. If you think this applies to something you may have posted, feel free to go back and edit/remove it.
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Yeah, this one:
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:lol:
Why is that dog wearing a toilet seat ?
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What are the numbers for biting and killing for other breeds? Kind of pointless with that comparison. Deaths due to dog attacks are pretty rare considering the numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2014
It seems like the CDC is a little behind. This is interesting because there's a blurb about each specific case instead of just a number.
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It might be more fun to keep it "Sirius"
Good one.
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Good one.
Just now got it. :rofl:
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Jim, please keep in mind that a pit bull dog is just a dog. They have to be "trained" (tortured) into becoming the vicious beasts people love to hate. =(
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Jim, please keep in mind that a pit bull dog is just a dog. They have to be "trained" (tortured) into becoming the vicious beasts people love to hate. =(
A lot like people.
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IIRC, AJ has two sets of twin daughters, very close in age. Apparently, during their potty training, said dog used to like to go and eat "Kiddie Treats" as dog are wont to do from time to time. The rest is self-explanatory.
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I'll remind everyone the middle name of this fora. Let's argue the topic and not the person. If you think this applies to something you may have posted, feel free to go back and edit/remove it.
This thread was beyond that long ago.
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There are a number of Bully breeds. And most people just point and say "pit bull" or "pit mix" when they see one.
And it's naive to think that pits are the only breed of dog bred for fighting or for protection.
Any dog will bite and even kill given the right circumstances. Dogs bred for fighting and protection are more likely to, sure. Pits aren't alone in that distinction.
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There are a number of Bully breeds. And most people just point and say "pit bull" or "pit mix" when they see one any dog they think is behaving badly...
FIFY
The sweet pooch in my avatar had to be put down because he had the misfortune to like to play with his mouth open, and two children had "bites" from hitting body parts on teeth, and apparently Texas teachers are allowed no common sense whatsoever in required reporting of dog "bites" to police.
I know over-authoritarian cops have a bad rep on this forum, and with good cause, but I can tell you over-authoritarian educators can be worse...
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good
of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live
under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may
at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end for they do so with the approval
of their own conscience."
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Oh crap. I have a 3 inch gash on my arm from me shoving my border collie away and literally raking my arm over his teeth as he panted. I am sorry for your loss man
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Oh crap. I have a 3 inch gash on my arm from me shoving my border collie away and literally raking my arm over his teeth as he panted. I am sorry for your loss man
It's been several years now. I was able to hold him while vet administered euthanasia, and he didn't feel pain or suffer in any way.
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I was thinking about your pain too
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I know that anecdote(s) do not equal data, but I think I have two data points.
1) Buddy of mine in Kankakee county has two Pit-mixes. The only danger Robert is in when he's down there is being licked and loved to death. (I think it was Ann Landers who said "Every dog needs a boy"). One will play fetch until he collapses or your arm falls off whichever comes first. The other wants nothing more then to be as close to you as possible with as much of his body as possible. Going inside and sitting down results in Robert being covered in dogs, both who want nothing more then constant and continuous petting and scratching.
2) We volunteer as Dog Walkers/Socializers at our county pound. At least 1/6 to 1/3 of dogs there are Pit (mixes). Any dog that is people or animal (dog or cat) aggressive are put down. Only those that pass those (and a couple other tests) are put up for adoption. And each dog has it's own unique personality. Some love to play fetch in the cages (where we can take them off the leash). Others will walk and walk and walk. Some will simply do their business and look for a bench to sleep under. We never know what a dog enjoys doing. But their temperament and personality are not predictable based on what's written on the adoption card: Breed, age, sex, and background (if known). They are all fixed and chipped.
Now, I'm not a fan of the breed (I'm not a fan of big dogs, other then hunting breeds like GSP's), but I've been around them enough to know that it's not the breed but the owner. And that the "Dangerous" label is more appropriate to the owner(s) and not the dog.
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I know that anecdote(s) do not equal data, but I think I have two data points.
2) We volunteer as Dog Walkers/Socializers at our county pound. At least 1/6 to 1/3 of dogs there are Pit (mixes). Any dog that is people or animal (dog or cat) are put down. Only those that pass those (and a couple other tests) are put up for adoption. And each dog has it's own unique personality. Some love to play fetch in the cages (where we can take them off the leash). Others will walk and walk and walk. Some will simply do their business and look for a bench to sleep under. We never know what a dog enjoys doing. But their is not predicting based on what's written on the adoption card: Breed, age, sex, and background (if known). They are all fixed and chipped.
Obviously you're wrong and the only thing that matters is breed, and any critter that has even a drop of that DNA needs put down. :facepalm:
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Meh. Cluebat is a learning experience. Tough love even.
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I don't know what Cluebat means nor do I care. This discussion went off the rails as soon as posters started comparing a animal that kills on it's own with a AR 15.
Also I hate "Meh" Is that even a word? I know all the cool kids use it.
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A Cluebat is a means of beating a clue into someone. Clearly it wasn't used to full effectiveness here.
This discussion went off the rails when the OP posted a bunch of hyperbole that was pretty thoroughly disputed by just about all of the subsequent posters.
Any dog can kill on its own. Being a pit bull is not statistically significant as a risk factor, partly because so many "pit bulls" in the reports of attacks aren't actually pit bulls.
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I don't know what Cluebat means nor do I care. This discussion went off the rails as soon as posters started comparing a animal that kills on it's own with a AR 15.
Also I hate "Meh" Is that even a word? I know all the cool kids use it.
You were called on your BS, don't blame me for the subsequent beating.
Fix yourself. Or don't. IDGARA.
And this is a spinoff of a gun forum. If you can't see how *expletive deleted*ing ridiculous you look when I change "pit bull" to "AR 15", I can't help you.
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Thanks Jim!
I was feeling like we piled on a bit but since you have decided to keep digging I'm feeling much better now. :laugh:
Don't *expletive deleted*ck with me or I'll unleash my sisters pitbull on you, lol. You might get tail whipped and slobbered on so much that you will give up, ha ha ha.
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a(n) animal that kills on it's own with a AR 15.
To the best of my knowledge, they are not "capable of killing on their own", but must be trained (or tortured) to do so.
Much like an AR15. It too, can be used for good or evil, depending on the owner.
Get it?
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A Cluebat is a means of beating a clue into someone. Clearly it wasn't used to full effectiveness here.
This discussion went off the rails when the OP posted a bunch of hyperbole that was pretty thoroughly disputed by just about all of the subsequent posters.
Any dog can kill on its own. Being a pit bull is not statistically significant as a risk factor, partly because so many "pit bulls" in the reports of attacks aren't actually pit bulls.
Hyperbole? I Posted a link to a pit bull attack. Not hard to find at all. I think I could find one a day if I tried.
Go ahead if you wish to have a contest. Post deaths caused by non pit bulls. I am restricted to pit bulls only and I will win.
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Hyperbole? I Posted a link to a pit bull attack. Not hard to find at all. I think I could find one a day if I tried.
Go ahead if you wish to have a contest. Post deaths caused by non pit bulls. I am restricted to pit bulls only and I will win.
[popcorn]
http://www.mosquito.org/mosquito-borne-diseases
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101008112420.htm
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[popcorn]
http://www.mosquito.org/mosquito-borne-diseases
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101008112420.htm
I am in awe!
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Some folks have a strange, unexplainable fear of firearms.
Some, of pit bulls.
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From: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php
In the 10-year period from 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans and accounted for 62% of the total recorded deaths (326). Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 74% of these deaths.
From: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/24/267786.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/24/267786.htm)
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) noted that deer-vehicle collisions in the U.S. cause about 200 fatalities annually.
Deer kill as many people in one year as Pit Bulls do in ten. (203/3650 works out to one every 18 days, not even close to "one every day".)
Thanks for playing, but you lose. [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
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From: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php
From: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2012/10/24/267786.htm
Deer kill as many people in one year as Pit Bulls do in ten.
Thanks for playing, but you lose. [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]
Well now I'm in awe.
Still, I think jim may have a point. I decided to educate myself, by watching some Pit Bull videos. I have to say, I was wrong. That man is a danger to our society, and must be stopped.
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Oh, and from the story in the OP:
In a nation with about 75 million dogs, fatal attacks are rare.
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Oh, and from the story in the OP:
But if we can save ONE PERSON by banning them....
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Scout: what's even funnier is that dogbitesdotorg is the Brady Center of the pit bull world. Funny when even if you cite the most skewed dishonest "statistics" of a rabid anti the problem is insignificant.
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Hyperbole? I Posted a link to a pit bull attack. Not hard to find at all. I think I could find one a day if I tried.
Go ahead if you wish to have a contest. Post deaths caused by non pit bulls. I am restricted to pit bulls only and I will win.
Have you not read anybody elses posts since yours? If you had you would of noticed that others have already done just that. I don't think you have though since you seem to pretty much ignore EVERY post where they put out facts and logic.
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Sometimes train wrecks are fun to watch. Other times they can be painful. This one falls into the painful category.
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Well it is for the children.
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I don't know what Cluebat means nor do I care. This discussion went off the rails as soon as posters started comparing a animal that kills on it's own with a AR 15.
Also I hate "Meh" Is that even a word? I know all the cool kids use it.
Next time you don't understand what a word refrences, you might try Urban Dictiionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cluebat
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Some folks have a strange, unexplainable fear of firearms.
Some, of pit bulls.
Some people can deal with their phobias and go on to lead useful & fulfilling lives.
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Some people can deal with their phobias and go on to lead useful & fulfilling lives.
And some people just post opinions on the internet while others seem to think internet posts are life. =)
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Scout: what's even funnier is that dogbitesdotorg is the Brady Center of the pit bull world. Funny when even if you cite the most skewed dishonest "statistics" of a rabid anti the problem is insignificant.
Which is why I picked them. ;)
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Isn't the guy behind that some guy who got bit and has obsessed ever since? We have a guy near here who rear ended a trailer and is on a crusade against all the killer trailers. Apparently being found at fault in accident unhinged him
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I disagree. Pit bulls are bred to kill. Look how massive it's head and jaws are in proportion to it's body. A St Bernard bites me I get punctures. A pit bull can tear [and will] my leg off.
Late to the party but better now than never.
Had a couple St Bernards try to take my face off.
It's not fun. You ever see the teeth on one of those suckers coming straight at your face? You wouldn't be so flippent about it if you had.
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Had a couple St Bernards try to take my face off.
Just put the Pinto in neutral and roll down the hill out of his territory.
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Alright. I've skimmed the whole thing.
As the resident professional in the area of canine caretaking, I've some points to make.
1.) All dogs are capable of being aggressive. Some breeds are more prone to developing aggressive behavior due to the origins of their breed purposes. Guardians and Terriors breeds are in this catagroy due to the purpose driven nature of their breeding. Other breeds often include a sharper temperament due to being high strung, high energy or just flat out bad breeding. Breeds like border collie, pointers, setters, other herding breeds, and Siberian huskies can be snappy or snippy simply because their energy wasn't directed into more positive avenues.
Toys are often problematic as well, due to poor owners and really rotten breeding practices. Any breed that has been a "fad" breed is victim to bad genetics perpetuated by jerks out to make a buck. Chows, white German Shepherds and Dalamations (thanks a lot, Disney!) are some examples.
Inbreeding and bad breeding can result in flat out crazy. Never trust an Aussie with a lot of white (and just keep distance from the merles) the flashy coats are popular, and unfortunately, resesive.
There are breeds that I do not trust an inch unless I know the dog and how it was raised. Akitas, Chows and BRTs are the front runners. Pit bulls don't even rate a "meh" on my scale of difficult breeds. Which is not to say I haven't met (and handled!) Pits that made me want to poo poo in my pants, but when a new pit walks in the door, I don't have an "oh, *expletive deleted*it!" moment, like I do with Chows.
The owners really do make the difference, and the smart ones know what their dogs are capable of being, how to interact with their breed of choice and know how to handle it. The idiots with ANY BREED are the ones that make my life hell.
(Oh, Airdales. Add Airdales to my list. Now that's a tough breed)
2.) Fighting pits are raised bad. They are bred from the dogs that have survived fighting, with no regards to genetic lineage. The are not handled beyond a bare minimum (if that) they are caged unless fighting, often they are starved, abused or tortured in an effort to 'make them mean'. The rejects are killed or abandoned. One of the sweetest pits I ever met was tossed for being too sweet. Her only fault was she was hugely kennel aggressive. Without a fence between her an another dog, she was a submissive puddle of love.
Others are not so lucky. They are not safe. They should be destroyed. It's not their fault. You'd be mean as a snake and twice as dangerous, too, if you were raised like that.
Pits raised be good owners are generally good dogs. Pits raised by well meaning idiots are often sweet, but have little to no manners. Many pits are naturally dog aggressive, which, IMHO, is not truly a fault, as long as the owner is aware and makes a point to keep the dog under control.
3.) Someone brought up Dachshunds? Yeah, no, the modern ones (even the toys) still have plenty of that old instinct. They can be pretty snappy. Just FYI, don't walk up to a strange one and stick your hand in it's face. You may not get your hand back. ;)
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Oh, one more thing.
Hands down, without contest, the "worst" breed, IMHO, Jack Russell Terriers. Way too many people get them because "cute! Little! Fun!" and end up with snappy, vicious monsters because they had no clue those little suckers are real, natural born killers.
Please, please, please, for the love of all that is holy, NEVER teach your terrier to play tug of war. Yes, they like it and it's fun. It's all fun and games until they grab something you don't want them to grab (like a small child) and you've got them trained to follow through on their natural instincts to grab, shake and not let go till it's dead.
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I remember in the 80's it was Rottweiler's that were ZOMG'd by the press. My dad tells me in the 70's it was Dobermans, and in the 50's it was Shepherds.
True.
I have a friend who was adopted by a stray pit bull maybe 15 years ago. He's retired and spends a lot of time in his garage, tinkering with hot rods. "Lady" is always out there with him. When fellow gearheads drop in, she meanders over for the obligatory pat on the head, then goes back to her bed in the exact geometric center of the action.
On the other hand, when I was a kid we had a female Collie. She had to be locked up wherever anyone came to visit ... Yeah, Lassie was a serious threat. Those movies lied.
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True.
I have a friend who was adopted by a stray pit bull maybe 15 years ago. He's retired and spends a lot of time in his garage, tinkering with hot rods. "Lady" is always out there with him. When fellow gearheads drop in, she meanders over for the obligatory pat on the head, then goes back to her bed in the exact geometric center of the action.
On the other hand, when I was a kid we had a female Collie. She had to be locked up wherever anyone came to visit ... Yeah, Lassie was a serious threat. Those movies lied.
Collies are notoriously sharp. We used to have a lot of rough collie customers, mostly grooming. We are down to two regulars, who come for grooming and boarding. Both of them we've handled since they were pups and both have good owners who really have put the time and effort into them.
The others were a mixed bag, in terms of personality, but tended towards standoffish. In general temperment, they are not a crowd pleasing breed. They like their people, and that is that.
It's a herding breed. High energy working dog that has a natural inclination to nip and to be territorial.
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my worst bite ever, so far was from a Chihuahua, I walked into my friends house and she wasn't home - I was surrounded by a herd of Chi dawgs - all yapping - one was growling - I looked at is and said really sarcastically "oooooh the leeeetle dawg, ahm soooo skeeeeeeered"
It launched itself on my calf - it hurt and I limped for a month.
Another dog that really hurt I was a Border Collie, its owner was making coffee and I was paying attention to the huge black lab. presa carnario mix - it was so huge and friendly - I looked at the the collie and said "some dogs are really handsome and some aren't, black labs are really handsome"
Border Collie growled - then I said "yo u know what they call border collies? boring collies" with a smirk, a smug smirk.
The border collie got right in my face and nipped my top lip, drawing blood - OUCH!!!
This discussion went off the rails as soon as posters started comparing a animal that kills on it's own with a AR 15.
Grizzly bear males will kill cubs in order to mate with the momma bear- how messed up is that? She will mate with him and he will kill his own species.
sounds like Hollywood [popcorn]
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Please, please, please, for the love of all that is holy, NEVER teach your terrier to play tug of war. Yes, they like it and it's fun. It's all fun and games until they grab something you don't want them to grab (like a small child) and you've got them trained to follow through on their natural instincts to grab, shake and not let go till it's dead.
We played lots of tug of war with our Boston Terriers. But then, they were trained to only tug on a few toys, nothing else. Oh, and even in the middle of play: "Drop it" resulted in the toy being on the floor with the dog looking at your for permission to resume.
Maybe the bulldog heritage helped?
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Ummm, I didn't really want to read 4 pages of this stuff, but has anyone mentioned how evil and brutish wiener dogs are? >:D
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Ummm, I didn't really want to read 4 pages of this stuff, but has anyone mentioned how evil and brutish wiener dogs are? >:D
Yes.
stay safe.
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I don't know that packing up can lead to issues also. A dog in a pack might do things they wouldn't do alone. I don't see many dog deaths from one dog. It is usually more than two I think.
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It just dawned on me that nobody is discusing the dogs that shoot people. Mostly their owners/hunting buddies, but there are a few other categories. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mans-worst-enemy-6-negligent-gun-owners-who-were-shot-their-own-dogs
Would we be better off making dogs go through a firearms safety class? Do we need to put trigger locks on when we are not holding our firearm and there is a dog around?
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I don't know that packing up can lead to issues also. A dog in a pack might do things they wouldn't do alone. I don't see many dog deaths from one dog. It is usually more than two I think.
The pack thing can ratchet things up a bunch. It's why I try to make sure the bipeds are seen as supremo alphas. I have succeeded with my kids I believe. Wife is outa luck
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Pack thing can lead to a lot of issues. Dogs who otherwise wouldn't say boo to a fly will get nasty in packs.
This is why I hate one of the local doggy daycares. They just let all the dogs loose in a big room and let the fur fly. They used to do overnight boarding too, but I think they shut it down after one too many brawls. :facepalm:
If properly supervised and managed, romper room can be fun, but it's always got the potential for a fight to break out, and I wouldn't go for more than 4 adult dogs at a time. You get more than that, and it starts getting out of hand quickly.
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I again relate the sweet boy pit I tried to adopt at the SPCA in the city. The puppy cop went by my house and turned me down due to an inadequate fence. I asked how can a dog jump a fence and maul the neighborhood if he is asleep on the couch? No dice, home checks for all dangerous breeds. So I asked about the black lab. Sure, no problem, you want him? No. Said black lab had not stopped eyeballing me the entire time I was in the runs. Complete aggression if you went near his run, but no barking. If let out I had no doubt he'd go for my throat. The vicious pit I couldn't have? Tried to beat me to death with his stub, drowned me in slobber, and peed himself and then sat in it wagging his stub because he was so happy to have some human time.
My only serious bite was from a Dachshund. 2-3 years old and the little turd tried to take my face off. The dog died the same day as my grandfather. No, not a true dog love story, dog went to the vet for the big needle as soon as the old guy passed. Not too many fans among granddad's caretakers.
Tug of war was mentioned. Worst dog game ever, lets the dog start thinking that they are somehow competing for control with a human. I don't care what breed I get they will release their mouth when I tell them to.
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A well trained dog can play tug of war and will release immediately when told if you're the alpha
Oh and FTR, the dog that attacked me in utah was a Rhodesian Ridgeback.
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The only dog that ever really bit me was my mothers Husky.
She was old and being attacked by the two younger smaller dogs in the house. I pulled a dog off her, she spun around and clamped on to my arm. I thought they were slashers not clampers, guess I was wrong.
Once she let go I threw the Spitz I was holding by the neck out the front door. I locked the Corgi in the back room and the Husky came up to me and licked me. I genuinely think she was saying she was sorry. She never listened to me but was way more obedient (as much as a Husky can be) after this incident.
My arm blew up like a balloon and I had to go to the ER. She gave me some pretty deep punctures that reached muscle.
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The only dog that ever really bit me was my mothers Husky.
She was old and being attacked by the two younger smaller dogs in the house. I pulled a dog off her, she spun around and clamped on to my arm. I thought they were slashers not clampers, guess I was wrong.
Once she let go I threw the Spitz I was holding by the neck out the front door. I locked the Corgi in the back room and the Husky came up to me and licked me. I genuinely think she was saying she was sorry. She never listened to me but was way more obedient (as much as a Husky can be) after this incident.
My arm blew up like a balloon and I had to go to the ER. She gave me some pretty deep punctures that reached muscle.
I have two white dots on my left theigh from a similar incident with a husky. Rasin was aiming at Northwest, but my leg got in the way. The funny part is I was 9 when that happened. If you look at it now, and know it's fang marks, you'd think it was the biggest dog world, because the dots are now about three inches apart. :lol:
I also have a spot under my right eye from the other husky. *shrug* I finally learned to not mess with Bandit when she went under the porch.
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A well trained dog can play tug of war and will release immediately
My Corso LOVED tug of war; but if anybody he was playing with said "let go" he'd drop it like you ran a charge through it. Sometimes the suddenness of the release would send people onto their butts. My nephew was always stubborn and sure he could win, that led to a few pics like this. They were both around 7 here.
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I also have a spot under my right eye from the other husky. *shrug* I finally learned to not mess with Bandit when she went under the porch.
My brother has a decent sized Weimaraner dog. His wife used to babysit some kids. She had to teach the kids that when Broady went into his kennel, that was his space and they had to leave him alone. I don't think he was ever violent, but I imagine that helped.
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My brother has a decent sized Weimaraner dog. His wife used to babysit some kids. She had to teach the kids that when Broady went into his kennel, that was his space and they had to leave him alone. I don't think he was ever violent, but I imagine that helped.
Crazy. I've seen kids try and climb in my dog's kennel with her in there. They're only in danger of being slobbered to death. She's so social especially with children that she only goes in there when there's company if ordered to do so.
Part of why I went for a Brittany was temperament. Hell, the old guy down the road has one. His kids are grown but his dog loves on my kids just the same as if she was raised around kids.
Classic APS thread veer I know.
Back to the OT, my wife's cousin has a pitt and it's an expert at slobbering on people. Tail is pretty powerful and dangerous, don't leave drinks on the coffeetable.
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Broady did play with the kids quite a bit from what I was told, but occasionally he would get tired of it and want to get away. I never visited when kids were there. If the kids were throwing something for Broady to fetch, I doubt he ever went to his kennel. That dog would play fetch all day long.
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Pitbulls are victims. Think of this poor guy: http://www.moron.com/biting-off-pit-bulls-testicles/ (http://www.moron.com/biting-off-pit-bulls-testicles/)
I'm pretty sure that is a fake new site... The part where she had her son bury her and she breathed through a garden hose is a good clue.