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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on May 21, 2015, 03:05:56 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/should-this-high-schooler-have-been-suspended-for-119531735792.html
It isn't so much the suspension, bogus, but a comment made by the principal that I think is a joke.
Principal Tyler Telford told Yahoo Parenting he couldn’t discuss the specifics of the suspension due to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, but said that “the best thing a parent can do for their child is support a teacher and the school.”
No the best thing a parent can do for their child is to support them and teach them to think for themselves and not be mindless turds.
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No the best thing a parent can do for their child is to support them and teach them to think for themselves and not be mindless turds.
Very much so. I was a lousy lier to my parents, they knew when I was being truthful. I laid things out to my parents honestly when I got into trouble at school. I didn't cause trouble deliberately, but I did have a limit to my tolerance for bullies, so I tended to get into a fight once a year. They preferred I stood up to myself, and the fight kept the bullying down, so while I had to take the school punishment, I didn't get any more at home.
Reading the article, the teacher sounds like he's on a power trip. Last half hour of school? That's just silly. Matter of fact, assuming some growth, even if the dress wasn't acceptable that day, it was probably acceptable per the rules earlier in the year.
Of course, the linked prom dress thing irks me because it met the published requirements. No midriff showing from looking in a mirror, and it specifically said backless was acceptable. I'd sue for my money back AND the cost of the dress.
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/prom-dress-sparks-debate-for-being-too-revealing-117698417467.html
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Reay admits that her dress may have been an inch or two short of that, but says she was focused on wearing a dress that made her feel like she could conquer the world.
Her words
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The dress was against the dress code.
The teacher was dumb for making it an issue in the last hour of school.
So, he was in the right, but this was not a battle that should have been fought.
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The dress looks a hell of a lot more decent than what most high school girls are wearing these days.
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Yes she violated the dress code. Perhaps the teacher should have used a little discretion, as the other teachers throughout her day apparently did.
Looking at that picture, if that dress violates their dress code, they might want to look at that dress code a little closer. That looks like a church dress to me.
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She made a deliberate choice and stand. It had consequences. Might be most important thing she learns in school.
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Rules are som,etimes stupid. I would not consider "touching the top of the kneecap" an egregiously stupid rule although it is outdated regarding current styles that are still considered demure.
The kid knew, getting dressed that morning, that she was violating a possibly stupid rule that she had apparently lived with all school year long without challenging.
What happens tomorrow (figuratively speakinng) when on the first day of employment she decides to flaut an employer's rule because she wanted to 'feel good about herself"?
stay safe.
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She made a deliberate choice and stand. It had consequences. Might be most important thing she learns in school.
A very good point indeed. Have the courage of your convictions and accept what follows from that.
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A very good point indeed. Have the courage of your convictions and accept what follows from that.
Knowing and Accepting the consequences is the important part of that. If I chose to carry concealed at work, I would be violating company policy and could be fired immediately if discovered. However, if I chose to accept that for personal safety reasons, then it is on me at least in part.
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Alluring, which is what girls are supposed to be, but not outrageous.
If it were white, it wouldn't be half as bad/good as some wedding dresses I've seen.
But I wouldn't be able to dance too close to her.
My first inclination if I were that principal, would be to let it go, but would've liked to talk to the complainant first to explain that a lot of these things were a matter of personal opinion to see where that would take us. I 'spect most of the problem arose with the girl's very nice shape, and if it were "Bony Barbara" wearing it, it wouldn't be a problem.
I also might have suspended her, but purely as a symbolic gesture... as I think the 1/2 hour at the end of the school day was, to placate the complainant. Maybe there was some wisdom in that "suspension" after all.
But I don't see why an issue like this deserved all the yipping and yapping and ki-yi-ing... which I have just done, too.
Terry
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I will also note that her defense on getting in teachers face was that she was 4 feet away. Perhaps I am old fashioned but I consider the offense to be related to a defiant tude rather physical proximity and so I considered her defense disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst. My teen tried that with me. Once
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Yes she violated the dress code. Perhaps the teacher should have used a little discretion, as the other teachers throughout her day apparently did.
Looking at that picture, if that dress violates their dress code, they might want to look at that dress code a little closer. That looks like a church dress to me.
Agreed. And, while her dress may have been in violation, she made it through the entire day up to 30 minutes before dismissal before being "caught," and the school thereupon did NOT follow the procedures spelled out in the student handbook. So the school and the administration have taught this young lady a valuable lesson: People in Power (PIPs) never play by the rules. Rules apply to serfs, not to overlords.
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When the teacher, Legrand Leavitt, told Reay to go home, she refused. “He said ‘do I need to call the superintendent?’ and I said ‘yes, and call my mom too,’” she says. Reay decided to call her mother directly, so she could bring the student an alternate outfit. According to the school handbook, “if a student is inappropriately dressed, he/she will be required to call home to arrange for appropriate clothing, or the school will provide a t-shirt, sweatshirt or sweatpants to be worn that day.”
So, IOW, there was a clearly spelled out procedure which the teacher refused to follow.
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This one I chalk up to good hearted and good natured rebellion against the stupids.
A lot of school dress codes are stupid and the idiots writing them are even dumber.
Yes, the dress broke the rules. The girl was smart enough to use a dress that is going to make the school look stupid for the rule and make herself look like a smart good girl. The added bonus of the teacher stepping over the line in terms of disaplining her is the cherry on top of the sudae.
Sometimes rebellion isn't a bad thing.
And skid? 'Touching the top of the kneecap' ? Are you kidding? The fifties called. They want their skirts back. ;/
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Tell that to the school, Liz.
From thje linked article:
But that afternoon, with a half hour left in the school day, a teacher told her she had to go home because her dress was too short. According to the school handbook, “skirts, dresses, or other similar attire must extend at least to the top of the knee cap, from the front and from the back.”
Of course, figuring how to get the kneecap to the back of the leg ought to be quite interesting all by itself. :facepalm:
stay safe.
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Tell that to the school, Liz.
From thje linked article:
Of course, figuring how to get the kneecap to the back of the leg ought to be quite interesting all by itself. :facepalm:
stay safe.
It is egragriously stupid.
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The kid knew, getting dressed that morning, that she was violating a possibly stupid rule that she had apparently lived with all school year long without challenging.
1. Did she really know, or was the dress acceptable at the beginning of the year, and because she grew a couple inches, no longer acceptable?
2. Had she worn the dress previously?
3. Did she pay any attention at all, really, to the dress code rules?
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1. Did she really know, or was the dress acceptable at the beginning of the year, and because she grew a couple inches, no longer acceptable?
2. Had she worn the dress previously?
3. Did she pay any attention at all, really, to the dress code rules?
Go ahead - blame the victim.
(I do, too.)
stay safe.