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Title: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Ben on May 29, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
Looks like Texas open carry just passed? Congratulations you guys! You've certainly pissed off the hoplophobes!  :laugh:

http://twitchy.com/2015/05/29/gov-greg-abbott-nra-get-trashed-after-open-carry-bill-passes-in-texas/
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: lee n. field on May 29, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
yes?    I was hearing about some nasty last minute behind the scenes crap to torpedo it.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 29, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
Almost died but it got a second wind.  Headed to the governor to sign.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 29, 2015, 11:23:39 PM
Abbot already Facebooked a "Get it over here. The signing pen is warmed up and ready."

One more baby step. And a good one at that.

Brad
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Cliffh on May 29, 2015, 11:30:41 PM
Abbot already Facebooked a "Get it over here. The signing pen is warmed up and ready."

One more baby step. And a good one at that.

Brad

Next up, unlicensed open carry!
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 29, 2015, 11:42:44 PM
Next up, unlicensed open carry!

First campus carry, THEN unlicensed carry.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Cliffh on May 29, 2015, 11:48:31 PM
First campus carry, THEN unlicensed carry.

That didn't pass?  Crap!

 Maybe we can get both next time.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2015, 01:03:51 AM
And apparently they stripped out the amendment about stop-and-frisk?  ;/

Still, good for Texas.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
Next up, unlicensed open carry!

Ah. We might have talked about it here before and the news headline made me misremember. I thought this was unlicensed open carry, but apparently it's the law designed to keep CHLs from being popped for "brandishing" by a windblown shirt, etc.?

Still an important win. The whole deal about breaking the law in many states if your gun is accidentally exposed is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
Ah. We might have talked about it here before and the news headline made me misremember. I thought this was unlicensed open carry, but apparently it's the law designed to keep CHLs from being popped for "brandishing" by a windblown shirt, etc.?

Still an important win. The whole deal about breaking the law in many states if your gun is accidentally exposed is ridiculous.

Nope, this is BBQ gun open carry, at least for CHL folks. I think Texas corrected the peek-a-bo accidental exposure nonsense a long time ago.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 30, 2015, 12:28:17 PM
Accidental exposure was clarified in the previous legislature, signed into law Jan 1 2014. 

This one is open or concealed carry with permit.  Nothing to do with accidental exposure.
And it's law but not effective till Jan 1 2016.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: SADShooter on May 30, 2015, 02:06:06 PM
At least I picked a good time to get fat again. The IWB belt/holster combos won't be an option for a while.

Thanks for posting. I hadn't heard this news.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on May 30, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Accidental exposure was clarified in the previous legislature, signed into law Jan 1 2014. 

This one is open or concealed carry with permit.  Nothing to do with accidental exposure.
And it's law but not effective till Jan 1 2016.

I heard the Texas DPS asked to move the start date out since most of the CHL instructor training was done at the end of the year.

I thought I saw in a TSRA email that Sunday was the final deadline for bills.  Campus carry was close, but I don't know if there is any effort to get it passed at the last minute or not. 
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 30, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
I heard the Texas DPS asked to move the start date out since most of the CHL instructor training was done at the end of the year.

I thought I saw in a TSRA email that Sunday was the final deadline for bills.  Campus carry was close, but I don't know if there is any effort to get it passed at the last minute or not. 

Yep I think that was what prompted Jan 1, as most new Texas laws go into effect in Sept. 
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 31, 2015, 03:03:34 PM
Campus carry may still be in the running:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20150526-campus-carry-debate-goes-to-the-wire-in-texas-house.ece

Here's the real gem of the article, from a university president:

The only people I want having guns are police and the bad guy,” he said. “I don’t want police to have to sort out who is John Wayne coming to the rescue.”

 :rofl:  Thanks for making it obvious, Tom!
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on May 31, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
I guess everyone else is just a target.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 31, 2015, 05:48:32 PM
Campus Carry is a done deal.

http://m.kcbd.com/kcbd/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od%3ATFQ4nGGm

Let the wailing, knashing of teeth, and liberal academe head 'splodyness begin.

Brad
Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 31, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
Bravo
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Post by: Perd Hapley on May 31, 2015, 06:26:48 PM
...knashing of teeth...

What is that, Yiddish?  :lol:


If Texas actually gets campus carry, I think they might finally be ahead of Missouri on something.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 31, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
What is that, Yiddish?  :lol:



You've heard of New Math? That's New English. I iz a produkt uv publik edjukashun.

Brad
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on May 31, 2015, 11:04:03 PM
This is the 4th legislative session (8 years) to try to get Campus Carry passed.  Passing that is a major milestone for Texas CHL law, IMO.  Two of the major issues on gun rights this session and we made progress on both.

I heard there was at least one exception (biohazard labs?).  I guess I'll wait and see what details there are.  At least college campus' are no longer off limits.



Now we wait for the first defensive use on a campus and see how it is handled. 
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 31, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
This is the 4th legislative session (8 years) to try to get Campus Carry passed.  Passing that is a major milestone for Texas CHL law, IMO.  Two of the major issues on gun rights this session and we made progress on both.

I heard there was at least one exception (biohazard labs?).  I guess I'll wait and see what details there are.  At least college campus' are no longer off limits.



Now we wait for the first defensive use on a campus and see how it is handled. 


AIUI, there are no specific exceptions, but the lab example was suggested as an idea of a place where it might be acceptable to ban guns.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Firethorn on June 01, 2015, 12:33:15 AM
AIUI, there are no specific exceptions, but the lab example was suggested as an idea of a place where it might be acceptable to ban guns.

Biohazard labs, oil refineries, around MRI machines...

Note that all of the areas mentioned are spots where firing a gun is fairly likely to result in serious negative consequences if you miss.

Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2015, 09:19:31 AM
In general, any secure area that is not open to the general public could use a verbal or written notification.  I don't see why they would need a 30.06 sign.

I am trying to imagine if liberal university management might try to put biohazard labs in more buildings to justify posting 30.06 signs.  I hate to think that would happen, but think any measure justifies their final goal.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: vaskidmark on June 01, 2015, 09:36:39 AM
In general, any secure area that is not open to the general public could use a verbal or written notification.  I don't see why they would need a 30.06 sign.

.

Just to be a Richard Head -

because it's the law?

As I understand it, anything less or different or out-of-spec is meaningless.

stay safe.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 01, 2015, 10:07:02 AM


As I understand it, anything less or different or out-of-spec is meaningless.

stay safe.

Correct. Signage requirements are straighforward, well established, and easily implimented. When Texas CHL was first passed the signs were everywhere. Now they are relatively rare, most instances being the restricted locations or in national store chains.  Being a university town we have our share of transplanted lib whackadoodles but they are a blessedly small (albeit vocal) minority.

Brad
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 01, 2015, 10:31:27 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/robert-farago/one-of-the-many-benefits-of-texas-licensed-open-and-campus-carry/#comment-2160127

 :lol:  I don't know if it's the dyed-in-the-wool anti-gunners that react to every gun law reform as if it had never been tried before, or if it's just regular schlubs that don't pay attention, or both. Is there a difference?
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on June 01, 2015, 11:02:56 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/robert-farago/one-of-the-many-benefits-of-texas-licensed-open-and-campus-carry/#comment-2160127

 :lol:  I don't know if it's the dyed-in-the-wool anti-gunners that react to every gun law reform as if it had never been tried before, or if it's just regular schlubs that don't pay attention, or both. Is there a difference?
Were those names supposed to be well known?

I think most regular schlubs don't really care, but all they hear is the media side.  Even if they know the media lies, it still has an effect.
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: MechAg94 on June 02, 2015, 02:48:08 PM
http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=77874
For Texas residents of APS, this thread over at Texas CHL Forum has a run down of what gun related laws passed in this last legislative session.  2 more years for any more changes.

I had not realized State Knife Preemption passed.  I now recall seeing it was in the mix earlier this year, but forgot about it. 

Quote
Signed by Governor:

SB473 - Makes the lack of NFA registration or designation as a "curio" an element of the crime, rather than a defense to prosecution. You can currently be tried for owning a suppressor, and you must present proof of NFA registration in court as a defense.


Sent to Governor (or soon to be sent to governor):

SB273 - This bill seeks to provide a civil penalty for municipalities that post un-enforceable 30.06 signs. 30.06 signs posted on state or local government property are un-enforceable unless already an otherwise prohibited place.

HB554 - Creates a defense to prosecution and a prohibition on arrest if a CHL inadvertently carries a handgun into the security area of an airport. Police cannot arrest a person unless they advise them of their ability to leave the security area and the CHL fails to do so. (Please still don't do this, you still face fines from the TSA.)

HB905 - Preempts local knife laws in Texas, removing the patchwork of local knife ordinances across the state.

HB910 - Licensed open carry. Texas will have licensed open carry on Jan 1, 2016, being the 46th state to adopt open carry legislation.

SB11 - Campus carry bill
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Ben on June 04, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
On the campus carry, I think this is hilarious (yet also a little sad, re: the stupidity. I suppose professors will all demand "safe space" now):

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/04/gunpoint-average-texas-prof-fears-campus-carry-law-would-bring-grade-inflation/
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 04, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Did you notice her academic field?

Brad
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: SADShooter on June 04, 2015, 01:36:09 PM
On the campus carry, I think this is hilarious (yet also a little sad, re: the stupidity. I suppose professors will all demand "safe space" now):

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/04/gunpoint-average-texas-prof-fears-campus-carry-law-would-bring-grade-inflation/

Because threatening your prof with a pocketknife or any other dangerous implement available on campus, well, that just couldn't have happened already...  :facepalm:

Gullion's Travels, the contemporary update to a classic fantasy tale replacing small bodies with micro-intellects.  ;/
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on June 04, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
Does this open carry apply to CCW permits from other states that Texas honors?
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: SADShooter on June 04, 2015, 01:40:08 PM
Did you notice her academic field?

Brad

Yes, and the prestigious standing of the institution.

(My ex "earned" a MBA from this degree mill.)
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Fitz on June 04, 2015, 09:25:13 PM
Does this open carry apply to CCW permits from other states that Texas honors?

IANAL, etc, but if a permit is honored, then all the other portions of the Tx carry rules apply, as i read it. And the open carry bits dont seem to specify

so i assume that this applies to folks with out of state permits honored by tx?
Title: Re: Texas Open Carry
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 13, 2015, 06:06:30 PM
OC and CC are fully officializationated. Signed at a gun range, no less. Seems Gubner Abbott's idea of subtlety is a billboard and a bullhorn.   =D

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Gov-Abbott-Signs-Open-Carry-and-Campus-Carry-Bills-at-Gun-Range-307262341.html?device=phone&c=y

Brad