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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on May 29, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
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Looks like Texas open carry just passed? Congratulations you guys! You've certainly pissed off the hoplophobes! :laugh:
http://twitchy.com/2015/05/29/gov-greg-abbott-nra-get-trashed-after-open-carry-bill-passes-in-texas/
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yes? I was hearing about some nasty last minute behind the scenes crap to torpedo it.
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Almost died but it got a second wind. Headed to the governor to sign.
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Abbot already Facebooked a "Get it over here. The signing pen is warmed up and ready."
One more baby step. And a good one at that.
Brad
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Abbot already Facebooked a "Get it over here. The signing pen is warmed up and ready."
One more baby step. And a good one at that.
Brad
Next up, unlicensed open carry!
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Next up, unlicensed open carry!
First campus carry, THEN unlicensed carry.
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First campus carry, THEN unlicensed carry.
That didn't pass? Crap!
Maybe we can get both next time.
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And apparently they stripped out the amendment about stop-and-frisk? ;/
Still, good for Texas.
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Next up, unlicensed open carry!
Ah. We might have talked about it here before and the news headline made me misremember. I thought this was unlicensed open carry, but apparently it's the law designed to keep CHLs from being popped for "brandishing" by a windblown shirt, etc.?
Still an important win. The whole deal about breaking the law in many states if your gun is accidentally exposed is ridiculous.
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Ah. We might have talked about it here before and the news headline made me misremember. I thought this was unlicensed open carry, but apparently it's the law designed to keep CHLs from being popped for "brandishing" by a windblown shirt, etc.?
Still an important win. The whole deal about breaking the law in many states if your gun is accidentally exposed is ridiculous.
Nope, this is BBQ gun open carry, at least for CHL folks. I think Texas corrected the peek-a-bo accidental exposure nonsense a long time ago.
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Accidental exposure was clarified in the previous legislature, signed into law Jan 1 2014.
This one is open or concealed carry with permit. Nothing to do with accidental exposure.
And it's law but not effective till Jan 1 2016.
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At least I picked a good time to get fat again. The IWB belt/holster combos won't be an option for a while.
Thanks for posting. I hadn't heard this news.
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Accidental exposure was clarified in the previous legislature, signed into law Jan 1 2014.
This one is open or concealed carry with permit. Nothing to do with accidental exposure.
And it's law but not effective till Jan 1 2016.
I heard the Texas DPS asked to move the start date out since most of the CHL instructor training was done at the end of the year.
I thought I saw in a TSRA email that Sunday was the final deadline for bills. Campus carry was close, but I don't know if there is any effort to get it passed at the last minute or not.
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I heard the Texas DPS asked to move the start date out since most of the CHL instructor training was done at the end of the year.
I thought I saw in a TSRA email that Sunday was the final deadline for bills. Campus carry was close, but I don't know if there is any effort to get it passed at the last minute or not.
Yep I think that was what prompted Jan 1, as most new Texas laws go into effect in Sept.
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Campus carry may still be in the running:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20150526-campus-carry-debate-goes-to-the-wire-in-texas-house.ece
Here's the real gem of the article, from a university president:
“The only people I want having guns are police and the bad guy,” he said. “I don’t want police to have to sort out who is John Wayne coming to the rescue.”
:rofl: Thanks for making it obvious, Tom!
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I guess everyone else is just a target.
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Campus Carry is a done deal.
http://m.kcbd.com/kcbd/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od%3ATFQ4nGGm
Let the wailing, knashing of teeth, and liberal academe head 'splodyness begin.
Brad
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Bravo
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...knashing of teeth...
What is that, Yiddish? :lol:
If Texas actually gets campus carry, I think they might finally be ahead of Missouri on something.
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What is that, Yiddish? :lol:
You've heard of New Math? That's New English. I iz a produkt uv publik edjukashun.
Brad
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This is the 4th legislative session (8 years) to try to get Campus Carry passed. Passing that is a major milestone for Texas CHL law, IMO. Two of the major issues on gun rights this session and we made progress on both.
I heard there was at least one exception (biohazard labs?). I guess I'll wait and see what details there are. At least college campus' are no longer off limits.
Now we wait for the first defensive use on a campus and see how it is handled.
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This is the 4th legislative session (8 years) to try to get Campus Carry passed. Passing that is a major milestone for Texas CHL law, IMO. Two of the major issues on gun rights this session and we made progress on both.
I heard there was at least one exception (biohazard labs?). I guess I'll wait and see what details there are. At least college campus' are no longer off limits.
Now we wait for the first defensive use on a campus and see how it is handled.
AIUI, there are no specific exceptions, but the lab example was suggested as an idea of a place where it might be acceptable to ban guns.
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AIUI, there are no specific exceptions, but the lab example was suggested as an idea of a place where it might be acceptable to ban guns.
Biohazard labs, oil refineries, around MRI machines...
Note that all of the areas mentioned are spots where firing a gun is fairly likely to result in serious negative consequences if you miss.
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In general, any secure area that is not open to the general public could use a verbal or written notification. I don't see why they would need a 30.06 sign.
I am trying to imagine if liberal university management might try to put biohazard labs in more buildings to justify posting 30.06 signs. I hate to think that would happen, but think any measure justifies their final goal.
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In general, any secure area that is not open to the general public could use a verbal or written notification. I don't see why they would need a 30.06 sign.
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Just to be a Richard Head -
because it's the law?
As I understand it, anything less or different or out-of-spec is meaningless.
stay safe.
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As I understand it, anything less or different or out-of-spec is meaningless.
stay safe.
Correct. Signage requirements are straighforward, well established, and easily implimented. When Texas CHL was first passed the signs were everywhere. Now they are relatively rare, most instances being the restricted locations or in national store chains. Being a university town we have our share of transplanted lib whackadoodles but they are a blessedly small (albeit vocal) minority.
Brad
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/robert-farago/one-of-the-many-benefits-of-texas-licensed-open-and-campus-carry/#comment-2160127
:lol: I don't know if it's the dyed-in-the-wool anti-gunners that react to every gun law reform as if it had never been tried before, or if it's just regular schlubs that don't pay attention, or both. Is there a difference?
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/robert-farago/one-of-the-many-benefits-of-texas-licensed-open-and-campus-carry/#comment-2160127
:lol: I don't know if it's the dyed-in-the-wool anti-gunners that react to every gun law reform as if it had never been tried before, or if it's just regular schlubs that don't pay attention, or both. Is there a difference?
Were those names supposed to be well known?
I think most regular schlubs don't really care, but all they hear is the media side. Even if they know the media lies, it still has an effect.
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http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=77874
For Texas residents of APS, this thread over at Texas CHL Forum has a run down of what gun related laws passed in this last legislative session. 2 more years for any more changes.
I had not realized State Knife Preemption passed. I now recall seeing it was in the mix earlier this year, but forgot about it.
Signed by Governor:
SB473 - Makes the lack of NFA registration or designation as a "curio" an element of the crime, rather than a defense to prosecution. You can currently be tried for owning a suppressor, and you must present proof of NFA registration in court as a defense.
Sent to Governor (or soon to be sent to governor):
SB273 - This bill seeks to provide a civil penalty for municipalities that post un-enforceable 30.06 signs. 30.06 signs posted on state or local government property are un-enforceable unless already an otherwise prohibited place.
HB554 - Creates a defense to prosecution and a prohibition on arrest if a CHL inadvertently carries a handgun into the security area of an airport. Police cannot arrest a person unless they advise them of their ability to leave the security area and the CHL fails to do so. (Please still don't do this, you still face fines from the TSA.)
HB905 - Preempts local knife laws in Texas, removing the patchwork of local knife ordinances across the state.
HB910 - Licensed open carry. Texas will have licensed open carry on Jan 1, 2016, being the 46th state to adopt open carry legislation.
SB11 - Campus carry bill
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On the campus carry, I think this is hilarious (yet also a little sad, re: the stupidity. I suppose professors will all demand "safe space" now):
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/04/gunpoint-average-texas-prof-fears-campus-carry-law-would-bring-grade-inflation/
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Did you notice her academic field?
Brad
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On the campus carry, I think this is hilarious (yet also a little sad, re: the stupidity. I suppose professors will all demand "safe space" now):
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/04/gunpoint-average-texas-prof-fears-campus-carry-law-would-bring-grade-inflation/
Because threatening your prof with a pocketknife or any other dangerous implement available on campus, well, that just couldn't have happened already... :facepalm:
Gullion's Travels, the contemporary update to a classic fantasy tale replacing small bodies with micro-intellects. ;/
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Does this open carry apply to CCW permits from other states that Texas honors?
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Did you notice her academic field?
Brad
Yes, and the prestigious standing of the institution.
(My ex "earned" a MBA from this degree mill.)
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Does this open carry apply to CCW permits from other states that Texas honors?
IANAL, etc, but if a permit is honored, then all the other portions of the Tx carry rules apply, as i read it. And the open carry bits dont seem to specify
so i assume that this applies to folks with out of state permits honored by tx?
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OC and CC are fully officializationated. Signed at a gun range, no less. Seems Gubner Abbott's idea of subtlety is a billboard and a bullhorn. =D
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Gov-Abbott-Signs-Open-Carry-and-Campus-Carry-Bills-at-Gun-Range-307262341.html?device=phone&c=y
Brad