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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on June 18, 2015, 09:53:47 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-calls-investigation-into-whether-us-moon-landings-happened-10327714.html
Finally, the truth will out.
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The idea that the lunar landing was faked is silly. Communications logs prove we were listening to the astronauts from the moon, and the Russians had the technology to monitor them and did so.
If they had had one inkling of a faked landing, they'd have been screaming bloody murder about it in 1969.
Remember we were in a race to get there first. If the commies coulda called us on a fake, they woulda done it -- 46 years ago.
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The idea that the lunar landing was faked is silly. Communications logs prove we were listening to the astronauts from the moon, and the Russians had the technology to monitor them and did so.
If they had had one inkling of a faked landing, they'd have been screaming bloody murder about it in 1969.
Remember we were in a race to get there first. If the commies coulda called us on a fake, they woulad done it -- 46 years ago.
Dude, you forgot to take your propaganda filter tablet this morning. This is in the same league with "Russian aircraft disables U.S warship's defense systems". Bombastic tripe for internal consumption.
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Anyone seen interstellar?
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Anyone seen interstellar?
Yes. But that seems to be a rather different story.... [popcorn]
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If the commies coulda called us on a fake, they woulda done it -- 46 years ago.
Unless they were in on it. [tinfoil]
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Unless they were in on it. [tinfoil]
Bill/"Whooaahh"/Bill
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While they are at it, they should investigate 9/11 and Obama's birth certificate. Make it a tinfoil trifecta.
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While they are at it, they should investigate 9/11 and Obama's birth certificate. Make it a tinfoil trifecta.
You know, I could actually see Putin "investigating" that, finding it to be fake, and then saying every agreement or meeting between the US and Russia in the last 6 years is void, because Obama can't be President. Then invading some other part of eastern Europe. Because *expletive deleted*ck NATO, that's why.
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While they are at it, they should investigate 9/11 and Obama's birth certificate. Make it a tinfoil trifecta.
Warren Commission Report, D.B. Cooper, Jimmy Hoffa, give them a laundry list.
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Warren Commission Report, D.B. Cooper, Jimmy Hoffa, give them a laundry list.
And Big Medicine's suppression of the Rods of Ra.
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Maybe they want to disprove our claim "for all humanity," so's they can get up there and claim it for themselves.
Heh-heh hehhhhh.
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And Big Medicine's suppression of the Rods of Ra.
I thought that was Big Oil.
No matter. Vlad the Inveigler's FSB can find the truth. Any truth he wants.
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You know, I could actually see Putin "investigating" that, finding it to be fake, and then saying every agreement or meeting between the US and Russia in the last 6 years is void, because Obama can't be President. Then invading some other part of eastern Europe. Because *expletive deleted*ck NATO, that's why.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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For the TL/DR crowd... here's the "why".
So, why is Investigative Committee member Markin speculating about conspiracy theories surrounding US moon landings that happened decades ago? In his op-ed, the Russian official also emphasized that “US authorities had crossed a line by launching a large-scale corruption probe targeting nine Fifa officials,” according to the Moscow Times.
And even they aren't suggesting the whole "Capricorn One" film stage scenario. I'm sure Soviet SIGINT was watching the Apollo missions with everything they had, and woudn't have wasted a second on exposing us on any fakery back then.
“We are not contending that they did not fly [to the moon], and simply made a film about it. But all of these scientific — or perhaps cultural — artifacts are part of the legacy of humanity, and their disappearance without a trace is our common loss. An investigation will reveal what happened,” Markin wrote, according to the Moscow Times translation.
They're not wrong about that. A crapton of moon rock and Apollo artifacts, gear, memorabilia, documents have gone missing due to people with sticky fingers, or incompetence at a bunch of universities and museums. There's been several U.S. and other countries news stories and editorials on it.
Simple answer, P.O.'ed by what they see as American hegemony by busting FIFA corruption, he singles out what he thinks of as America's crowning achievement, the moon landings, and attaches tit-for-tat finger pointing about all the thievery surrounding it.
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There you go, AJ, spoiling a bunch of good ranting by us TL;DR folks. Thanks a lot.
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There you go, AJ, spoiling a bunch of good ranting by us TL;DR folks. Thanks a lot.
So where were YOU when the moon rocks went missing? Can you account for your whereabouts between now and 1969? =|
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Yes. But that seems to be a rather different story.... [popcorn]
There was a bit where the kid was in trouble for bringing an old textbook in that spoke about the moon landings as fact, when the new "approved" textbooks said that the moon landings were faked so we could trick the soviets into spending themselves into the hole.
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I seem to recall one show where they said one of the Apollo missions left a reflector on the moon that they could point a laser at and get a return.
It is interesting to me that our telescopes are not good enough to see the landing sights from Earth. Not sure if the Hubble is any better.
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They're not wrong about that. A crapton of moon rock and Apollo artifacts, gear, memorabilia, documents have gone missing due to people with sticky fingers, or incompetence at a bunch of universities and museums. There's been several U.S. and other countries news stories and editorials on it.
Simple answer, P.O.'ed by what they see as American hegemony by busting FIFA corruption, he singles out what he thinks of as America's crowning achievement, the moon landings, and attaches tit-for-tat finger pointing about all the thievery surrounding it.
Any US moon landing kit going missing is "our common loss". Any Soviet cosmonaut kit going missing is probably "Western propaganda."
Keep in mind, virtually anything said in Russian media is likely propaganda aimed at the Russian people. They rarely give two tosses what the outside world thinks of it. Sure, a lot of folks snagged moon rocks or Apollo kit. Honestly, outside of some government drones, who cares at this point? Do a better job next time of locking up the samples for scientific purposes. I'm not overly concerned that a boot, or glove, or coffee mug went into someone's curio cabinet rather than a bin in the basement of some museum or government facility. I'm a big believer in museums and preserving history for future generations. I however do not think museums or governments should have a monopoly on historical items.
Again, it doesn't matter. "US is bad and corrupt" is the subtext.
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I seem to recall one show where they said one of the Apollo missions left a reflector on the moon that they could point a laser at and get a return.
It is interesting to me that our telescopes are not good enough to see the landing sights from Earth. Not sure if the Hubble is any better.
Any telescope big enough to resolve Apollo landing sites would be blinded by looking at the moon. Including Hubble. They really don't have the ability to dial up their "f-stop" when it's set really really low to stare at some faint galaxy for a couple of hours. Might as well point them into the sun and cook a hot dog.
NASA's lunar orbiters have taken pictures and can see the LEM's base, flags, footprints, and rover tire tracks though.
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Whether it happened (or not), can't we just tell the Russkies to blame it on Fistful and be done with it?
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NASA's lunar orbiters have taken pictures and can see the LEM's base, flags, footprints, and rover tire tracks though.
Oh, so only NASA can see the stuff we supposedly left on our trips to the moon. That's real convenient, idn't it?
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Oh, so only NASA can see the stuff we supposedly left on our trips to the moon. That's real convenient, idn't it?
Nobody's stopping any other country from putting up lunar orbiters or landers to go check things out. And they have, but none have bothered with the proper instruments.
(Although JAXA's HD video camera on theirs is pretty dang cool...)
https://youtu.be/A5-JBZlWzPk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZ2AySW2bY
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Nobody's stopping any other country from putting up lunar orbiters or landers to go check things out. And they have, but none have bothered with the proper instruments.
The conspiracy widens...
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There was a bit where the kid was in trouble for bringing an old textbook in that spoke about the moon landings as fact, when the new "approved" textbooks said that the moon landings were faked so we could trick the soviets into spending themselves into the hole.
Oh yeah.....forgot about that scene....it broke my "kook" meter so I just passed it off as Hollyweird.
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So where were YOU when the moon rocks went missing? Can you account for your whereabouts between now and 1969? =|
I don't have to answer to you. You can't prove nuthin!
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Boy, the right side of youtube for those two links are a lot of conspiracy theory whackadoodle rabbit holes...
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Any telescope big enough to resolve Apollo landing sites would be blinded by looking at the moon. Including Hubble.
Hubble isn't nearly big enough to spot the landing sites, but it has successfully taken pictures of the moon.
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Any telescope big enough to resolve Apollo landing sites would be blinded by looking at the moon. Including Hubble. They really don't have the ability to dial up their "f-stop" when it's set really really low to stare at some faint galaxy for a couple of hours.
Just need more bullets to turn down the light: http://astroanecdotes.com/2015/03/26/the-mcdonald-gun-shooting-incident/
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Hubble isn't nearly big enough to spot the landing sites, but it has successfully taken pictures of the moon.
The comment I saw may have been on the mythbusters episode where they tested some of the moon landing fake myths. One of the experts they interviewed mentioned the resolution of our telescopes at that distances was down to a handful of meters but still too large to see the equipment we left there.
I thought someone (India?) was looking at doing a moon orbit probe, but I don't recall when.
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I want them to look into why Big Oil keeps supressing the 100 mpg carburetor!
Brad
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I want them to look into why Big Oil keeps supressing the 100 mpg carburetor!
Brad
That runs on water. =)
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Oh yeah.....forgot about that scene....it broke my "kook" meter so I just passed it off as Hollyweird.
That was a neat movie, but some of the small details were odd. All the fatalistic and anti-war stuff reminded me of some of hte 60's/70's scifi stories I have seen.
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The comment I saw may have been on the mythbusters episode where they tested some of the moon landing fake myths. One of the experts they interviewed mentioned the resolution of our telescopes at that distances was down to a handful of meters but still too large to see the equipment we left there.
Maybe I'm not up to date on the most powerful telescopes, but my understanding is that to get a "handful of meters" of resolution from here to the Apollo landing sites (say to spot the rover or a decent stage) you'd need something like a 60 or 80 meter diameter telescope capable of tracking the target as well as adaptive optics. I think the largest telescope on earth is a little over 10 meters. For comparison, Hubble is 2.4 meters, and I think it might have issues with tracking a target on something as close as the moon.
An orbital telescope's real advantage is that it could dispense with the adaptive optics but would need to be of similar size to an earthbound scope as orbit only buys a few hundred miles. Hubble is around 350 miles up; that doesn't mean much in terms of distance to the moon.
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How about we just go there? =D
Of course, they'll say we just faked that too.
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/369441main_lroc_apollo14_lrg.jpg
Although the simple answer is that if we'd faked any of it, the Soviets would have been all over it.
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. . . I'm sure Soviet SIGINT was watching the Apollo missions with everything they had . . .
I was in Florida on family vacation with my folks, and a few days before Apollo 11 liftoff, we chartered a boat out of the Keys and went deep sea fishing. We encountered a Russian trawler - with a lot of antennae - somewhere beyond the 12-mile limit. Gee, wonder what they were doing there? ;)
We were in Winterhaven at liftoff - we watched it on TV, then went outside and 'way in the distance, we saw the bright orange flame of the Saturn V rising from the horizon. With binoculars - and a good dose of my youthful imagination - I could see a little black dot at the apex of the flame . . . the rocket, no doubt.
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Hubble is around 350 miles up; that doesn't mean much in terms of distance to the moon.
Y'know, I'd never really considered that distance in perspective; Hubble (when directly overhead) is closer than Tulsa or Laredo.
Might have to throw that in if the boss wants to send me back to McAllen; it's an hour farther than Hubble's orbit.
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I was in Florida on family vacation with my folks, and a few days before Apollo 11 liftoff, we chartered a boat out of the Keys and went deep sea fishing. We encountered a Russian trawler - with a lot of antennae - somewhere beyond the 12-mile limit. Gee, wonder what they were doing there? ;)
We were in Winterhaven at liftoff - we watched it on TV, then went outside and 'way in the distance, we saw the bright orange flame of the Saturn V rising from the horizon. With binoculars - and a good dose of my youthful imagination - I could see a little black dot at the apex of the flame . . . the rocket, no doubt.
That reminds me of something I saw on one of the conspiracy shows. Some people were claiming there were a couple more top secret Apollo missions than publicized because they "found something" on the moon. There is no way in hell they could keep a Saturn rocket launch secret much less all the other activity.
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Depends where they launched it from.
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Depends where they launched it from.
Also, Skylab was just a cover.
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Y'know, I'd never really considered that distance in perspective; Hubble (when directly overhead) is closer than Tulsa or Laredo.
Yeah, but can you hitchhike to the Hubble?
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Yeah, but can you hitchhike to the Hubble?
Sure, but these days you have to start in Russia.
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Yeah, but can you hitchhike to the Hubble?
Bring your towel.
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And don't panic!
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That reminds me of something I saw on one of the conspiracy shows. Some people were claiming there were a couple more top secret Apollo missions than publicized because they "found something" on the moon. There is no way in hell they could keep a Saturn rocket launch secret much less all the other activity.
Remember the Glomar Explorer, which was made to raise a sunken Soviet sub off the bottom of the ocean? There was a sister ship, the Glomar Investigator, which was specifically made to handle a Saturn V liftoff. Out in the middle of the Pacific, away from witnesses, there were at least three additional moon launches and landings - which were never publicized - to investigate the oversized humanoid robots found on the Moon.
[tinfoil]
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Remember the Glomar Explorer, which was made to raise a sunken Soviet sub off the bottom of the ocean? There was a sister ship, the Glomar Investigator, which was specifically made to handle a Saturn V liftoff. Out in the middle of the Pacific, away from witnesses, there were at least three additional moon launches and landings - which were never publicized - to investigate the oversized humanoid robots found on the Moon.
[tinfoil]
I would believe that over a land launch in the Continental US. And there were likely enough astronauts in the training queue that would have given their right arm to get into space.
On the radio traffic side of things, did they have the tech to reliably encode all the communications with the spacecraft out at the moon? Kind of assuming they could, but thought I would ask.