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Title: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Balog on June 30, 2015, 06:17:54 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11706383/Turkey-planning-to-invade-Syria.html

Turkey vs ISIS? I'm rooting for a meteor strike.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: SADShooter on June 30, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11706383/Turkey-planning-to-invade-Syria.html

Turkey vs ISIS? I'm rooting for a meteor strike barrage.

Fine notion with one magnitudinal nitpick.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Fitz on June 30, 2015, 07:51:35 PM
Does this mean we're at war with Syria? (since ISIS was who we supported vs assad) or Turkey (since ISIS is our enemy elsewhere?)

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on June 30, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
I lost my scorecard i can't tell


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Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Phyphor on June 30, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out?  [ar15]   :old:
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: RoadKingLarry on June 30, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Kill 'em all and let God Allah sort 'em out?  [ar15]   :old:

FTFY
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Ron on June 30, 2015, 08:36:23 PM
I almost expected to read that Turkey was invading Syria to to help Assad and ISIS against the Kurds.

I was close enough.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Balog on June 30, 2015, 08:48:00 PM
I almost expected to read that Turkey was invading Syria to to help Assad and ISIS against the Kurds.

I was close enough.

They're essentially opening up a two front war here.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: RocketMan on June 30, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
And Turkey is a member of NATO the last time I checked.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Regolith on June 30, 2015, 11:26:52 PM
NATO is a defense organization...I don't think we're obliged to help out when a member nation are technically the attackers.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: makattak on July 01, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11706383/Turkey-planning-to-invade-Syria.html

Turkey vs ISIS? I'm rooting for a meteor strike.

If you'll note, it's Turkey versus the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish army. ISIS doesn't worry Turkey. The Kurds do.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: MechAg94 on July 01, 2015, 09:27:24 AM
Turkey vs ISIS? I'm rooting for a meteor strike.
I disagree.  Wars in the middle east between muslim nations is likely the best thing for our own security.  How can we keep it from ending too soon?
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: lupinus on July 01, 2015, 09:58:09 AM
I disagree.  Wars in the middle east between muslim nations is likely the best thing for our own security.  How can we keep it from ending too soon?
I'm in favor of a discounted weapons emporium located in an easily accessible neutral area for the muslim parties at war.

"Why yes, we can deliver your bulk orders for a small handling fee, buy two and just include additional S&H!"
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: roo_ster on July 01, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
If you'll note, it's Turkey versus the YPG, the Syrian Kurdish army. ISIS doesn't worry Turkey. The Kurds do.

This.

I disagree.  Wars in the middle east between muslim nations is likely the best thing for our own security.  How can we keep it from ending too soon?

If we think of the Middle East like a bunch of demonic toddlers, many things become clear.  One of them being that unless we want them lighting OUR house on fire, we must see to it that they can find plenty of distractions close to home.

So, I support air drops of semi-sophisticated arms that will no longer work when if we decide not to supply them with spare parts.  And include propaganda indicating that their opponents are actually gay Jews in disguise.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 01, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Yep, what is better than fighting them over there, letting them fight themselves over there.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Gewehr98 on July 01, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
I doubt Turkey could fight their way out of a wet paper bag in this day and age.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: roo_ster on July 01, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
I doubt Turkey could fight their way out of a wet paper bag in this day and age.

Curious as to what makes you write that?

The Turkish Army has been, since Ataturk's time, the most competent of Turkish institutions.  Also, head and shoulders above neighboring Arab armies in training, if not material.

Is it because of the purging of non-Islamists from the officer corps these last 10 years or so?
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: dogmush on July 01, 2015, 04:28:57 PM
The Turkish Army has been, since Ataturk's time, the most competent of Turkish institutions.  Also, head and shoulders above neighboring Arab armies in training, if not material.


If that's not damning with faint praise I don't know what is.

I haven't spent as much time with our allies as some here, but I have done more then a couple joint things with NATO.  My experiance has been that the Turks are muslem enough in culture that they are NATO's slow cousin.  We only let them in because we wanted missles there, and now we're kinda embarassed by their behavior.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: zxcvbob on July 01, 2015, 04:37:13 PM
I doubt Turkey could fight their way out of a wet paper bag in this day and age.

I don't think they are talking about domesticated turkeys.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: roo_ster on July 01, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
If that's not damning with faint praise I don't know what is.

I haven't spent as much time with our allies as some here, but I have done more then a couple joint things with NATO.  My experiance has been that the Turks are muslem enough in culture that they are NATO's slow cousin.  We only let them in because we wanted missles there, and now we're kinda embarassed by their behavior.

Indeed. 

But look at who they are up against.  Turks regularly beat Arabs like red-headed stepchildren over the years.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: AJ Dual on July 01, 2015, 05:19:59 PM
Indeed. 

But look at who they are up against.  Turks regularly beat Arabs like red-headed stepchildren over the years.

If they're actually going after Kurds... because these moves are more about Turkey's long standing antipathy for a "Kurdistan" or Kurdish state to be formed in Syria, or Northern Iraq, than they are about Syrian stability, or ISIS... well, Kurds aren't Arabs either.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: roo_ster on July 01, 2015, 05:23:01 PM
If they're actually going after Kurds... because these moves are more about Turkey's long standing antipathy for a "Kurdistan" or Kurdish state to be formed in Syria, or Northern Iraq, than they are about Syrian stability, or ISIS... well, Kurds aren't Arabs either.

True that.

Interesting note:
The Turks had the first passive IR tank sight to be deployed widely.  Installed them on M48 tanks in the 1980s, IIRC. 
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Blakenzy on July 02, 2015, 11:22:31 AM
Well, if your Benghazi ISIS, ahem, "freedom fighters" couldn't get the job done send in one of the lower level NATO partners to get things back on track. Enough tomfoolery, we have an entire subcontinent to control  ;/
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: brimic on July 02, 2015, 11:57:23 AM
Does this mean we're at war with Syria? (since ISIS was who we supported vs assad) or Turkey (since ISIS is our enemy elsewhere?)

 :rofl:

What difference at this point does it make?
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 02, 2015, 10:10:26 PM
Oceania America was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania America had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 02, 2015, 10:26:40 PM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Now ... if only we could figure out who our enemy is, and who their enemies are, we'd know who our friends are. Thanks to the Big O, I don't think we have a lot of friends today.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Ron on July 02, 2015, 10:35:51 PM
I was never very comfortable with some of our "friends" in the middle east.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait never really impressed me much as far as being "friends".

We should help the Kurds take over Syria, that would should stir things up a bit  =D

Cozy back up to Egypt also.

Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 06, 2015, 08:31:10 AM
Saudi and Kuwait are only our friends because we saved their asses in 91.  Turkey isn't our friend, they are a NATO ally at best.
Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: RevDisk on July 06, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
If that's not damning with faint praise I don't know what is.

I haven't spent as much time with our allies as some here, but I have done more then a couple joint things with NATO.  My experiance has been that the Turks are muslem enough in culture that they are NATO's slow cousin.  We only let them in because we wanted missles there, and now we're kinda embarassed by their behavior.

I trained with several Turkish army units. Their infantry forces are good to very good, but very different than Western units. NCOs aren't as good until you hit senior NCO ranks, officers have damn near life and death control over their enlisted under all circumstances. I don't think their other forces were as good as their ground forces, but didn't spend much time with their other forces. They seemed adequately competent on land operations.


Title: Re: Turkey prepares to invade Syria
Post by: Hutch on July 06, 2015, 04:09:42 PM
To back of RevDisk, and the "and death" part, it was reported to me by an Airforce EM that a Turkish EM was summarily executed on the spot by the Turkish  officer of the guard for sleeping while on guard duty.  To hear our guy tell it, the airbase at Incirlik is notionally a Turkish airbase, with Turks providing base security.