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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: wmenorr67 on July 01, 2015, 01:39:43 PM
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Anyone actually following the issues that he is having after saying what he did about illegals?
Latest I saw is that Macy's is dropping his clothing line.
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State a controversial opinion, be immediately castigated and ostracized. Brave New World.
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Better than many/several/majority? or the other GOPer potential POTUS candidates.
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Anyone actually following the issues that he is having after saying what he did about illegals?
Latest I saw is that Macy's is dropping his clothing line.
Good to know that Macy's is "pro ILLEGAL alien" so I can avoid shopping there.
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State a controversial opinion, be immediately castigated and ostracized. Brave New World.
The thought police are here.
I'm a little surprised we haven't seen a huge outcry to have the 4 dissenting SCOTUS Justices removed from the bench and jailed for their racistbigotedhomophobicmisogynist opinion on gay marriage
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The thing is, Trump's comments, if you listen carefully, are accurate. Sign of the times. You get crucified for telling the truth. Though that's not the first time it's happened.
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The thought police are here.
I'm a little surprised we haven't seen a huge outcry to have the 4 dissenting SCOTUS Justices removed from the bench and jailed for their racistbigotedhomophobicmisogynist opinion on gay marriage
The rest of us benighted troglodytes are shielding them for the moment. The eyes will eventually turn.
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He apparently came in second in NH and Iowa? I did not expect that.
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The thing is, Trump's comments, if you listen carefully, are accurate. Sign of the times. You get crucified for telling the truth. Though that's not the first time it's happened.
Nor going to be the last.
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I sure do like the way Trump is slapping around the media whores and GOPer drones. And reading how JEB! is personally offended was delicious.
CNN anchor Don Lemon conducted an interview with Donald Trump. It went very well, for Mr. Trump, that is. So well that Lemon’s scoop is difficult to locate on CNN’s website. Instead, Mediate.com scooped the telephonic exchange.
Lemon was at a loss. He got more sour-looking by the minute, as Trump bulldozed him with the force of his convictions and personality. There was no interrupting Trump’s train of thought. The “builder-businessman” was going to say his piece.
Americans have been listening intently. “A CNN/ORC poll released Wednesday,” reported National Journal, “showed Trump had 12 percent of the vote among Republicans and Republican-leaners, second only to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who earned 19 percent.”
Trump’s retort: “I’m not happy being behind Jeb Bush.” ...
Trump’s strength is that he keeps coming back to the stuff of life: business, economics, making a living. Politics is the stuff that kills all that.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/youre-getting-clobbered-cnns-don-lemon-faces-off-with-donald-trump/
Trump’s success comes from the issues he has seized upon — illegal immigration and trade deals that deindustrialized America — and brazen defiance of Republican elites and a media establishment.
By now the whole world has heard Trump’s declaration:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. … They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Politically incorrect? You betcha.
Yet, is Trump not raising a valid issue? Is there not truth in what he said? Is not illegal immigration, and criminals crossing our Southern border, an issue of national import, indeed, of national security?...
Trump intends to exploit the illegal immigration issue, and the trade issue, where majorities of middle-class Americans oppose the elites. And he is going to ride them as far as he can in the Republican primaries.
In the coming debates, look for Trump to take the populist and popular side of them both. And for Cruz to stand by him on illegal immigration.
On Charles Krauthammer, who called him a “rodeo clown”: He’s “a totally overrated person that dislikes me personally. I’ve never met him. He’s a totally overrated guy, doesn’t know what he’s doing.”
On Jonah Goldberg, who compared him to a “failed man”: “I’m worth a fortune. You know, it’s interesting. I went to the best school, got great marks, everything else. I went out, I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune… bigger than people even understand. […] Then I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?”
From Goldberg's column:
Meanwhile, too many of Trump’s GOP primary competitors, afraid of angering his fans, stand mute or mumbling. Republicans are fielding the best candidates in a generation, but Trump is poised to make them chumps by association.
Krauthammer:
“And the pity is this: this is the strongest field of Republican candidates in 35 years,” Krauthammer declared. “You could pick a dozen of them at random and have the strongest cabinet America has had in our lifetime, and instead, all of our time is spent discussing this rodeo clown.”
Goldberg and Krauthammer need to put down the bong. Yep, Trump may not be for real, but he is highlighting important issues and making the GOPer weenies pay attention.
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He is great just for pure entertainment value, and not being shy about pissing people off when the right answer isn't the PC answer. If he's serious but doesn't get the nod I vote we at least make him secretary of something. State would be fun to watch.
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He is great just for pure entertainment value, and not being shy about pissing people off when the right answer isn't the PC answer. If he's serious but doesn't get the nod I vote we at least make him secretary of something. State would be fun to watch.
Or ambassador to the UN. >:D (Sec State would be better)
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Ambassador to Mexico :lol: =D >:D :rofl:
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I'm going to apply to be the ambassador to Cuba.
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What was it someone said about speaking truth to power?
Here's the thing. Last fall the American got good and pissed off and voted to send a whole bunch of R's to Congress for one express purpose: Stop Obama.
Stop his bringing in illegals by the trainload.
and
Stop Obamacare.
Those were the two big things that were literally "on the ballot".
And the first thing the R's did after the election.
Vote to fund both of them.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
So now, Trump comes along and says what the majority of the people are (and have been) thinking and everyone wonders why he's surging in the polls?
Ambassador to Mexico :lol: =D >:D :rofl:
I would like to make Richard Hammond Ambassador to Mexico, but sadly, he's British....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6uhxH924ao
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And a bomb-throwing radical, to boot, pandering to all the bitter-clingers in flyover country. Poor benighted souls led astray by the hollow, hopeful promises of a charismatic demagogue. Uh, wait...
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I've never paid attention to this guy, and I'm still not. All I know about him is that he lost a lot of money a few times, he builds things (sorry, Mr. Obama), and he had* a TV show where he fires people.
Is this guy worth all this adulation? I don't understand. ???
*I guess he still has the show, since these stupid reality shows never flipping die.
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The thing is, Trump's comments, if you listen carefully, are accurate. Sign of the times. You get crucified for telling the truth. Though that's not the first time it's happened.
You see, nuance has no place in modern politics. Ron Paul was lambasted for stating that the civil rights act was a mistake. He made the point that it took away private businesses rights to decide who they wanted to do business with. And that the free market should decide. He also stated that the government should never be allowed to discriminate. But all the media heard was "civil rights=bad!"
Rand suffers from the same intellectual bug a little bit, he can get a little nuanced in his statements. Doesn't make for good soundbites unless they want to denigrate him. The Donald, though....he makes great soundbites....
So now, Trump comes along and says what the majority of the people are (and have been) thinking and everyone wonders why he's surging in the polls?
He's not the only one. Cruz has mentioned both issues. He wants full repeal of Obamacare, no namby pamby defunding, btw.
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He's not the only one. Cruz has mentioned both issues. He wants full repeal of Obamacare, no namby pamby defunding, btw.
Yes, but Ted doesn't have the same flamboyant personality that Trump has. Plus I think the MSM likes going to get what he says because he'll say something they think is completely outrageous (in soundbite form no less) and then mock him mercilessly as the "prototypical R candidate". Notice how they are going around asking the other candidates for their opinion of what Trump said. Which is their way of saying "Agree and we mock you, disagree and we mock you for agreeing with Obama/Hillary." The press likes presenting no win options to R candidates.
Trump doesn't care. He has "*expletive deleted*ck You" money, and he thinks he can do the job. Hell, at least we know he's not afraid to fire people. While I love Ted Cruz, I would rather pull the lever for Trump then Hillary, Bernie, or any other clowns the D's choose to run.
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I'll vote for Trump if it means
4 8 years of liberal heads imploding. >:D
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Yes, but Ted doesn't have the same flamboyant personality that Trump has. Plus I think the MSM likes going to get what he says because he'll say something they think is completely outrageous (in soundbite form no less) and then mock him mercilessly as the "prototypical R candidate". Notice how they are going around asking the other candidates for their opinion of what Trump said. Which is their way of saying "Agree and we mock you, disagree and we mock you for agreeing with Obama/Hillary." The press likes presenting no win options to R candidates.
Trump doesn't care. He has "*expletive deleted*ck You" money, and he thinks he can do the job. Hell, at least we know he's not afraid to fire people. While I love Ted Cruz, I would rather pull the lever for Trump then Hillary, Bernie, or any other clowns the D's choose to run.
Cruz impressed me most during the Q&A at CPAC. He would fillet Hillary in a debate.
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Cruz impressed me most during the Q&A at CPAC. He would fillet Hillary in a debate.
Which would never matter.
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Which would never matter.
True.
I remember when BHO was elected. It was all about "history". The first black man elected to the Presidency. I suspect when it boils down to it, a lot will vote for Hillary to make "history" too.
:facepalm:
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Yes, Cruz would be very effective in a debate. I think it would matter if he got to the point of getting the nomination. Romney looked good in his first debate with Obama then fell flat trying to be Mr. Nice Guy later.
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I'll vote for Trump if it means 4 8 years of liberal heads imploding. >:D
At least we could fire him after four years =D
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Cruz impressed me most during the Q&A at CPAC. He would fillet Hillary in a debate.
True, but then the handlers would get ahold of him after the first debate and he'd crash and burn.
I'm ok with Cruz, but there's just something about him that makes me not cheer him on. I don't know what it is, he just pegs my mehometer. Of the two I like Rand better though he's not presented things the best. I'd still vote for either. As for Trump I don't see voting for him in a primary. But I'd vote for him in a general instead of saying *expletive deleted*ck it, just for pure entertainment. Jeb? Jeb will actually be one to make me say *expletive deleted*ck it and stay home with a bottle.
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True, but then the handlers would get ahold of him after the first debate and he'd crash and burn.
I'm ok with Cruz, but there's just something about him that makes me not cheer him on. I don't know what it is, he just pegs my mehometer. Of the two I like Rand better though he's not presented things the best. I'd still vote for either. As for Trump I don't see voting for him in a primary. But I'd vote for him in a general instead of saying *expletive deleted*ck it, just for pure entertainment. Jeb? Jeb will actually be one to make me say *expletive deleted*ck it and stay home with a bottle.
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Your sentiments are similar to mine.
I intend to vote for Rand in the primary. If he's bowed out, then I'll vote for Cruz. After that.....I'm probably abstaining from the primary.
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Cruz impressed me most during the Q&A at CPAC. He would fillet Hillary in a debate.
That would just be another chapter in the GOP's war on women.
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I would vote Trump because he has been right on the national issue for years. And because it would cause so many folks aneurisms in the GOP and Dem parties and MSM. Maybe even cause the two-party system to bust up.
I could vote for Cruz, too, in the hopes his being born again on immigration might be sincere.
None of the others would get my vote. If any the others won as GOP POTUS candidate I would vote third party or stay home.
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I would vote Trump because he has been right on the national issue for years.
He's the only candidate so far that has any interest in not destroying America.
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Trust Trump? I don't think so. He is a fan of Kelo and expansive government eminent domain powers.
"The fact is, if you have a person living in an area that's not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it's local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make (an) area that's not good into a good area, and move the person that's living there into a better place -- now, I know it might not be their choice -- but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/22/donald_trumps_eminent-domain_empire_109624.html
http://www.ij.org/casino-reinvestment-development-authority-v-coking
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Ron is 100% correct.
Trump is a major crony capitalist who thinks the gov should help rich people screw over the little guy (or gal, like Vera Coking, the lady he attempted to rob via eminent domain).
He is a vile, vile person.
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Trust Trump? I don't think so. He is a fan of Kelo and expansive government eminent domain powers. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/22/donald_trumps_eminent-domain_empire_109624.html
http://www.ij.org/casino-reinvestment-development-authority-v-coking
Yep, that is the GOPer party line being used now to cleave grass-roots GOPers from Trump who like what they see. Read it in Goldberg's column, and others, too. Condemning Trump for his rrrrracissss views on immigration by the GOP donor-party drones backfired. So the new attack, coordinated by GOPer leadership, is now Kelo/eminent domain.
Guess what? Eminent domain is a lesser issue relative to the national question. The GOP/donor party advocates for mass immigration because it benefits them. Trump advocates for broad eminent domain power because it benefits him. ED has both a smaller deleterious effect and can be countered, for the most part, at the state level. Population replacement immigration by those who hate real Americans can not.
Note, Trump is also relative pro-homosexual. But the GOPer water-carriers have not made a big deal of that like they did Kelo/ED. Why would that be, I wonder?
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Guess what? Eminent domain is a lesser issue relative to the national question. The GOP/donor party advocates for mass immigration because it benefits them. Trump advocates for broad eminent domain power because it benefits him. ED has both a smaller deleterious effect and can be countered, for the most part, at the state level. Population replacement immigration by those who hate real Americans can not.
THAT.
Eminent domain issues can be dealt with with elections, and at least 'victims' are compensated for their losses. Illegal immigration is hugely destructive and the victims will only continue to pay more and more because of it.
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If someone is weak on national sovereignty, property rights or religious liberty why are we even contemplating voting for them?
Trump is a crony capitalist who if given a good enough deal would sell us out on the border issue. He is one of them, he's just working a different angle. Nothing about the man is trustworthy IMHO.
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Because unless you feel like running yourself good luck on finding someone that you feel is 100% on every issue?
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Because unless you feel like running yourself good luck on finding someone that you feel is 100% on every issue?
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These folks running for prez are bad on very fundamental issues.
National sovereignty and property rights shouldn't be on the table for compromise.
I've been holding my nose voting for Republicans my whole life and I've decided it is a losing tactic.
I can lose and be culpable (due to my vote) or I can lose knowing I didn't assent to the madness.
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These folks running for prez are bad on very fundamental issues.
National sovereignty and property rights shouldn't be on the table for compromise.
I've been holding my nose voting for Republicans my whole life and I've decided it is a losing tactic.
I can lose and be culpable (due to my vote) or I can lose knowing I didn't assent to the madness.
National sovereignty is one of Trump's positives. Eminent Domain, not so much. Like I wrote earlier, most the GOP candidates are unacceptable to me. At the very least they need to be on board with the national question.
Who knows if Trump will even stick with it, he may be doing this for shits & giggles. Even so, we owe him thanks for elevating the issue.
Last, ED came out so quickly and from so many sources, it is almost certainly a planted story by GOP leadership and donors.
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The ED abbreviation brought to mind Electile Dysfunction. Seems appropriate given the inability of government to perform its proper functions and the flaccid "leadership" we have now and can look forward to.
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The ED abbreviation brought to mind Electile Dysfunction. Seems appropriate given the inability of government to perform its proper functions and the flaccid "leadership" we have now and can look forward to.
And they're all dicks.
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And they're all dicks.
We all know that, but nothing ever comes of it.
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If his goal is to make illegal immigration an issue this election season and then is going to go away, bravo to him.
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Yep, that is the GOPer party line being used now to cleave grass-roots GOPers from Trump who like what they see. Read it in Goldberg's column, and others, too. Condemning Trump for his rrrrracissss views on immigration by the GOP donor-party drones backfired. So the new attack, coordinated by GOPer leadership, is now Kelo/eminent domain.
Guess what? Eminent domain is a lesser issue relative to the national question. The GOP/donor party advocates for mass immigration because it benefits them. Trump advocates for broad eminent domain power because it benefits him. ED has both a smaller deleterious effect and can be countered, for the most part, at the state level. Population replacement immigration by those who hate real Americans can not.
Note, Trump is also relative pro-homosexual. But the GOPer water-carriers have not made a big deal of that like they did Kelo/ED. Why would that be, I wonder?
At least 42 states (including Illinois) have anti-Kelo laws. So unless the Fed.gov starts grabbing property to hand over to private entities it's pretty much a non-issue.
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Anyone know where he stands on H1B's? That particular issue has kind of spoiled both Cruz, and Paul for me.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJhG9LUWwAAJoAc.jpg)
Anyone know where he stands on H1B's? That particular issue has kind of spoiled both Cruz, and Paul for me.
Same here, on all counts.
If his goal is to make illegal immigration an issue this election season and then is going to go away, bravo to him.
Given the other candidates, why should he be the one who goes away? Most are completely unacceptable to me and are even worse than Trump.
1. ¡JEB! likes Mexicans more than Americans and seeks to replace us with his wife's kind. He got his break with one of his dad's cronies. He made his big money in the cocaine-fueled 1980s Miami real estate market. Assimilated to his wife's culture and did not make her assimilate to American culture. Typical neocon on foreign affairs.
2. Rand Paul. Pro-Amnesty, pro-H1B. IOW, not interested int eh national question. No executive/leadership experience.
3. Perry. Used to be pro-Amnesty & generally soft on illegals.
4. Rubio. No executive/leadership experience. A dim bulb, just not smart enough. Hispanderer like ¡JEB!
5. Cruz. No executive/leadership experience. Super smart, though. A term as VPOTUS or as secretary of state would do him some good.
6. Christie. I want another NE GOPer donor fellator like I want a rash on my backside.
7....
I could go on, but most all the GOP candidates have some serious problems. Some with ideology, some with experience, some because they are bought & paid for. Trump is better than most of them. Doesn't make him terrific. But he seems to actually like America and has made that plain for years. We will see. He has made the race more interesting. Actually piqued my interest a bit.
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Yea, I suspect none of the Republicans if they win are going to reverse the fundamentally changed America.
Walker originally caught my attention, then Cruz.
At least those two have been conservatives their whole public life. Not sure you can say that about Trump.
Should be entertaining if nothing else.
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Trust Trump? I don't think so. He is a fan of Kelo and expansive government eminent domain powers.
"The fact is, if you have a person living in an area that's not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it's local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make (an) area that's not good into a good area, and move the person that's living there into a better place -- now, I know it might not be their choice -- but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good."
Right.
Anybody have any photos of what that area of New London looks like today?
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Yea, I suspect none of the Republicans if they win are going to reverse the fundamentally changed America.
Walker originally caught my attention, then Cruz.
At least those two have been conservatives their whole public life. Not sure you can say that about Trump.
Should be entertaining if nothing else.
Walker is pro-amnesty
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Doesn't matter much who gets the Republican nomination as Republicans are no longer electable as POTUS. That tipping point was passed in 2012, in my opinion. The FSA/47%/leftists/Democrat vote fraud/etc., will be electing Democrats as POTUS from this point forward to the eventual fall of the Republic.
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1. ¡JEB! likes Mexicans more than Americans and seeks to replace us with his wife's kind. He got his break with one of his dad's cronies. He made his big money in the cocaine-fueled 1980s Miami real estate market. Assimilated to his wife's culture and did not make her assimilate to American culture. Typical neocon on foreign affairs.
2. Rand Paul. Pro-Amnesty, pro-H1B. IOW, not interested int eh national question. No executive/leadership experience.
3. Perry. Used to be pro-Amnesty & generally soft on illegals.
4. Rubio. No executive/leadership experience. A dim bulb, just not smart enough. Hispanderer like ¡JEB!
5. Cruz. No executive/leadership experience. Super smart, though. A term as VPOTUS or as secretary of state would do him some good.
6. Christie. I want another NE GOPer donor fellator like I want a rash on my backside.
7....
Gee, same was said about the current President.
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great, our best hope is basically a successful carnival barker [popcorn]
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Gee, same was said about the current President.
And look how well he turned out!
great, our best hope is basically a successful carnival barker [popcorn]
Best hope? Who knows. Placing your hope in men is a good way to be disappointed. But this particular carnival barker has extensive executive experience, has real accomplishments, knows how to negotiate with other powerful men, has run the gauntlet of political & bureaucratic trolls many times to get what he wanted, and is willing to take hits from the MSM and current craptacular political class.
Or maybe the GOP can prop up yet another Bush to run against whatever creature gets the nod from the Dems.
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Yep, that is the GOPer party line being used now to cleave grass-roots GOPers from Trump who like what they see. Read it in Goldberg's column, and others, too. Condemning Trump for his rrrrracissss views on immigration by the GOP donor-party drones backfired. So the new attack, coordinated by GOPer leadership, is now Kelo/eminent domain.
Guess what? Eminent domain is a lesser issue relative to the national question. The GOP/donor party advocates for mass immigration because it benefits them. Trump advocates for broad eminent domain power because it benefits him. ED has both a smaller deleterious effect and can be countered, for the most part, at the state level. Population replacement immigration by those who hate real Americans can not.
Note, Trump is also relative pro-homosexual. But the GOPer water-carriers have not made a big deal of that like they did Kelo/ED. Why would that be, I wonder?
I've loathed Trump for years because of what he tried to do to Vera.
This shows you what he thinks of ordinary people, and it is ugly.