The local Chicken Express has the 2nd Amendment printed on the bottom of their receipts and a Green Circle with a Gun in it on their doors along with the text stating legally carried guns allowed here!
Gov Abbott signed open carry into law a couple weeks ago. Goes into effect Jan 1, 2015 [sic]. Only stipulation is open-carriers must have a CHL.
Oops, should have said Jan 1, 2016 effective date.You really should stop living in the past and just move on.
Brad
My experience is that most folks don't notice, and the ones that do want to know if it's a Glock Fo'tay or a 1911. (I do not recall any revolver being made in either of those models.)
Does Texas have open carry of handguns yet? AFAIK, almost all of Whataburger's stores are in TX. Maybe this is a reaction to all the idiots carrying black rifles into Starbucks and Target. I can't say that I blame them.
A more nuanced rule would be that all firearms most be concealed or discretely holstered with a strap or other retention device. (Nuance is generally a bad idea for policy statements)
The only legal open carry in TX right now is long guns. I've seen the kind of mouth breathing retards that TX has as OC advocates. I think it should be legal to buy integrally suppressed full auto short barreled rifles with under barrel grenade launchers out of a vending machine, but if I owned a business there I'd ban the Fatty and Snowboots crowd too.
I see the OC Tarrant County folk as useful in a "Deal with reasonable folk like me or you get to deal with the ammotards," way. Nope, not hanging out with them or participating in their antics, but they have pushed the OC issue and kept it front burner in the legislature.
TSRA has done good work over time, but it sure seemed like they were dragging their feet on OC. OCTC worked around them and lit a fire under legicritters sympathetic to them.
I sure as hell am not going to play tone police or direct fire at folk who are pretty much on my side. Shooting allies is the sort of thing pathetic moderates looking to impress the other side do. Screw that noise.
OCTC has dopne nothing but get OC banned in a number of retail establishments and make passage more difficult and uncertain in the legislature. If someone is "on my side" but doing things that actively harm the cause then I'll feel free to criticize them.
This is what they banned.
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So they're the 2A equivalent of fedora-wearing neckbeards?
So is Whataburger going to post 30.07 signs or not? I sort of wonder why they even bothered to mention it at this point.
Gun owners need to ask the gays for the names of their attorneys.
I received a response to my e-mail:
Mr. SADShooter,
Thank you for taking the time to contact Whataburger Restaurants. Your feedback as it is very important to us. We always appreciate the opportunity to hear from our guests. Please know that we do respect and support our customers’ second amendment right regarding gun ownership. However, Whataburger policy has been to not allow the open carry of guns or other firearms in all Whataburger restaurants and is for the safety and comfort of our other customers and employees.
Best Regards,
Linda Scott
Customer Care Team
Whataburger Restaurants
resolution@wbhq.com
Yup. Done with whataburger. Not that I'm a regular fast food customer, but I could almost see their position as to not making some guests uncomfortable. But the "Safety" excuse is bull *expletive deleted*it. OC is legal in a number of other states. Cops and LEO can open carry. There are criminals that are utterly unafraid of trying to disarm and kill a cop. No different.
I got that same response. Framing it as a safety issue is weak as *expletive deleted*ck. I replied back , replaced all mentions of guns with homosexuality, and asked her how it was different. I dont expect a response
Yup. Done with whataburger. Not that I'm a regular fast food customer, but I could almost see their position as to not making some guests uncomfortable. But the "Safety" excuse is bull *expletive deleted*it. OC is legal in a number of other states. Cops and LEO can open carry. There are criminals that are utterly unafraid of trying to disarm and kill a cop. No different.
Again, in TX OC of pistols is not yet legal. OC of long guns, the way the folks there are doing it at least, is in fact a safety risk.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this came out due to the legalization (eventually) of pistol OC? the bill that was passed?The bill was passed, but it doesn't go into effect until January 1st. State cops asked for the delay. Said they do most of their CHL training of instructors in the Fall and this bill is tied into the CHL law. Most new laws default to Sept 1st as the date they go into effect after the legislative session is over.
Again, in TX OC of pistols is not yet legal. OC of long guns, the way the folks there are doing it at least, is in fact a safety risk.
Bullshit.
It's a decorum risk. It's rude. It's probably unhelpful.
It's not a safety risk any more then slinging an M16 for a chow line is.
the way the folks there are doing it at least,
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this came out due to the legalization (eventually) of pistol OC? the bill that was passed?
You missed this part I think.
Plenty of .mil folks who were unsafe in their handling on the FOB where everyone always had their rifle. I don't know how many times I got muzzled but it's in the hundreds. And that's all mandatory Con 3 rifles on slings and infantry guys. These idiots are walking around with Con 1 rifles at low ready. It absolutely is a safety risk the way the actual people this actually applies to are doing it.
Per the link this has always been their stance, it is not a recent change.
Plenty of .mil folks who were unsafe in their handling on the FOB where everyone always had their rifle. I don't know how many times I got muzzled but it's in the hundreds. And that's all mandatory Con 3 rifles on slings and infantry guys. These idiots are walking around with Con 1 rifles at low ready. It absolutely is a safety risk the way the actual people this actually applies to are doing it
Yes, I remember the rash of ND's in and around Texas eateries........oh wait.
I get that you don't like the Texas OC guys. You've made that clear. But there's no more of a safety risk with the tools then some guy with a CCW in a shoulder holster, and way, way less then a football player with a gun in his pants. Claiming a safety hazard is bordering on mad mothers crap.
So you don't think a guy with a Con 1 rifle flagging you is more of a safety risk than a guy with a pistol in a shoulder holster? I seriously doubt you actually think that. Your ideology is blinding you to reality here.
So you don't think a guy with a Con 1 rifle flagging you is more of a safety risk than a guy with a pistol in a shoulder holster? I seriously doubt you actually think that. Your ideology is blinding you to reality here.
I have never been muzzle-humped with a long gun in a Texas eatery by someone who was OC-ing a long gun. I suspect you have not either. The reality is that there is zero evidence of danger from people OC-ing long guns in Texas restaurants. Even if those with the long guns are fat and unfashionable.
Hey, what's that? [bbbrrrrring!] Howdy. Really? He's right here. You don't need to talk to him, just give him the message? Gotcha. Buh-bye.
That was The Brady Campaign. They were wondering if you were done with their "Blood in thestreetsrestaurants" argument? And if not, when you might return it?
How many times have you been to an eatery with someone OCing a long gun?
And you're right, saying that people doing something stupid and dangerous is stupid and dangerous is exactly the same as calling for gun bans. Because if we police our own and call people out on being unsafe, then that's the same as asking the feds to violate the Second Amendment. Spot on analysis, I'm convinced. Anyone who is nominally on our side must be held immune from criticism. I'm sure Jeb Bush will appreciate your full support once he is the nominee.
"If You Want Blood (You Got It In Texas Restaurants)"
It's criminal
There ought to be a law
Criminal
There ought to be a whole lot more
You get muzzlin' for muzzlin'
Tell me who can you trust
We got what you want
And you got the dust (cover open)
If you want blood, you got it
If you want blood, you got it
Blood on the register
Blood in my Crocs
Blood by the ketchup dispenser
Every last drop
You want blood
You got it in Texas Restaurants
Yes you have
These idiots are walking around with Con 1 rifles at low ready.
I can't say it about all of them, but I do know that the situation is that they tend to go to 'low ready' for photo shoots, which is when we see them. The rifle is normally slung the rest of the time.
IE they're only at low ready when mugging for the camera, in order to make the weapon more visible in the shot.
Or just kick individuals out of places when they're being stupid. You may get escorted out of many places for taking your clothes off. Or for swearing and yelling loudly. Why not for fondling you firearm in an unsafe manner?
With apologies to AC/DC:
I don't expect you to be convinced by The One Perfect Analogy That Won't Break Down When Stretched Beyond Its Intended Use. But you do sound a bit like a Brady shill when making the safety argument with zero evidence to back it up.
Looking back at the the photo of Fatty & Boots. It shows them not covering folk with their muzzles and keeping their booger hooks off the bang switch. Could it be that they can, unlike your buddies, eat and practice muzzle discipline at the same time? :O
I tell ya, what really ought to be banned at Whataburger are white slip-on shoes worn with shorts. That's just wrong.
Firstly. Those rifles may or may not be condition 1. You don't know that.
Secondly, as was pointed out, no one is being flagged in those photos, or in any of the videos I've seen. Also, theyou tend to have trigger diciplene. (Que Blackhawk Down clip).
There's no evidence of a safety violation. Sense and taste, yes. Safety no.
Someone is blinded by their idiology but it ain't me.
How would you know that, given that the rifle is pointed off camera at an area you can't see?
Are you unable to comprehend the difference between a private corporation making a business decision and laws banning things, or are you just trolling?
(SARCASM) But, but, but they can't ban me, I'm gay and I OC. (SARCASM)
Maybe we can transcarry; BBQ gun in a fancy OWB holster that identifies as concealed.
Stop whining like a Brady shill and I will stop making the observation that you are whining about a nonexistent problem for which there is no empirical evidence. That is the analogy involved, Mr Blood in the Streets.
I think I have shown via my posts that I've little problem with Whataburger doing as it pleases. Heck, I don't even have plans to boycott Whataburger if they keep Fatty & Boots out. And Mr White Slip-Ons.